Re: [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names])

2021-07-16 Thread Charlie Gibbs
On Thu Jul 15 12:42:45 2021 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 14 iul 21, 08:02:19, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On Tue Jul 13 16:50:38 2021 Michael Lange >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:25:17 +0100 >>> Joe wrote: >>> >>> (...) >>> Back when we had TV advertisements for beer, it was

Re: [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names])

2021-07-15 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-07-14 11:29 a.m., Christian Groessler wrote: > Here in Germany, near Munich, we have a beer brand (from Munich) which > doesn't advertise but is the "standard beer" all around :-) > WoW That's pretty cool, a "standard beer". Everyone get used to the same beer and you don't risk being

Re: [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names])

2021-07-15 Thread tomas
On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 09:55:50AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 14 iul 21, 08:02:19, Charlie Gibbs wrote: [...] > > If they didn't pay [for ads], companies would have stopped sinking vast > > amounts > > of effort and expense into them a century ago. > > You're giving (big) companies a

Re: [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names])

2021-07-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 14 iul 21, 08:02:19, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On Tue Jul 13 16:50:38 2021 Michael Lange wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:25:17 +0100 > > Joe wrote: > > > > (...) > > > >> Back when we had TV advertisements > >> for beer, it was always the rubbish beers that got the publicity. > > > > her

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-14 Thread Stefan Monnier
Jeremy Ardley [2021-07-14 12:52:10] wrote: > On 14/7/21 12:09 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> On Ma, 13 iul 21, 20:54:22, Brian wrote: >>> On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 15:38:26 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:27:03 AM Stefan Monnier wrote: > BTW, for those who don't wan

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-14 Thread Brian
On Wed 14 Jul 2021 at 12:53:00 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 02:59:27PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 07:32:19PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > May I suggest we get back on-topic. > > > > There's a topic? I think we're so far from the topic that w

Re: [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names])

2021-07-14 Thread Christian Groessler
On 7/14/21 5:02 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: On Tue Jul 13 16:50:38 2021 Michael Lange wrote: > here (Germany) we still have those TV ads for beer, and I can assure > you that the advertised brands (its not up to me to decide whether > they are rubbish or not) are the ones that are available virtua

[OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names])

2021-07-14 Thread Charlie Gibbs
On Tue Jul 13 16:50:38 2021 Michael Lange wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:25:17 +0100 > Joe wrote: > > (...) > >> Back when we had TV advertisements >> for beer, it was always the rubbish beers that got the publicity. > > here (Germany) we still have those TV ads for beer, and I can assure > yo

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-14 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-07-14 at 10:17, Stefan Monnier wrote: > PS: Your reply's text was oddly "hidden" inside your signature (as > defined by the old convention that "\n-- \n" separates the main body > from the signature). Looking back at the preceding mails, I suspect that what may have happened is not that

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-14 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 12:53:00PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > For what it's worth - I had a check on IRC in debian-www > > The wiki isn't as tightly policed and is more of a free for all: if you see > something that's wrong, you can change it. There's a creative tension between > what shoul

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-14 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 08:00:20AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 07:45:08 +0100 > Joe wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:17:37 -0400 > > Celejar wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:09:32 +0200 > > > Alexandre Garreau wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, they

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-14 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 02:59:27PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 07:32:19PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > May I suggest we get back on-topic. > > There's a topic? I think we're so far from the topic that we can't > even get back to it with a compass. > > > Greg Wooledge (he who

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-14 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 07:45:08 +0100 Joe wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:17:37 -0400 > Celejar wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:09:32 +0200 > > Alexandre Garreau wrote: > > > > > > > > > No, they’re not submitted to network effect, Debian is not a social > > > network. Moreover, Debian

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-14 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-07-13 2:59 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > I "disappeared" because I had nothing more to say. Also apparently > any time I say anything, I'm perceived as a jerk. Or maybe it's just > when I stand up for myself, who knows. Are you in need to be nurtured ? -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summersid

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-13 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 10:48:16PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Brian T wrote: > > > >^ This. I concur 100%. Politically correct language, or politics in > >general, have no place in software. > >-- > >Best regards, > > > >Brian T > > > >Coronavirus is a scam. > >9/11 was an inside job. > > P

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Joe
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:17:37 -0400 Celejar wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:09:32 +0200 > Alexandre Garreau wrote: > > > > > No, they’re not submitted to network effect, Debian is not a social > > network. Moreover, Debian is non-lucrative. Currently nobody can > > get *power* from it. >

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Jeremy Ardley
On 14/7/21 12:09 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Ma, 13 iul 21, 20:54:22, Brian wrote: On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 15:38:26 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:27:03 AM Stefan Monnier wrote: BTW, for those who don't want to run their own server, there are still other reasons

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 13 iul 21, 20:54:22, Brian wrote: > On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 15:38:26 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:27:03 AM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > BTW, for those who don't want to run their own server, there are still > > > other reasons to avoid Github: my rule is

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:31:33 +0200 Alexandre Garreau wrote: > Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 16:09:50 CEST Celejar a écrit : > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:08:53 +0300 > > > > Reco wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 08:01:58AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > > Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:09:32 +0200 Alexandre Garreau wrote: > Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 20:00:44 CEST Celejar a écrit : > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:28:39 +0200 > > Alexandre Garreau wrote: > > > Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 14:01:58 CEST Celejar a écrit : > > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:54:43 +0300 >

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-13 Thread Steve McIntyre
Brian T wrote: > >^ This. I concur 100%. Politically correct language, or politics in >general, have no place in software. >-- >Best regards, > >Brian T > >Coronavirus is a scam. >9/11 was an inside job. Please tell me that you're being ironic here, considering the garbage in your signature...

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 14:59:27 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > Also apparently > any time I say anything, I'm perceived as a jerk. be asssured, that is not the case. Best regards Michael .-.. .. ...- . .-.. --- -. --. .- -. -.. .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-. Vulcans never bluff.

[OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names])

2021-07-13 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:25:17 +0100 Joe wrote: (...) > Back when we had TV advertisements > for beer, it was always the rubbish beers that got the publicity. here (Germany) we still have those TV ads for beer, and I can assure you that the advertised brands (its not up to me to decide wheth

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 03:54:22 PM Brian wrote: > On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 15:38:26 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:27:03 AM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > BTW, for those who don't want to run their own server, there are still > > > other reasons to avoid Github: my r

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread mick crane
On 2021-07-13 20:47, Brian wrote: On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 14:59:27 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 07:32:19PM +0100, Brian wrote: > May I suggest we get back on-topic. There's a topic? I think we're so far from the topic that we can't even get back to it with a compass. Yo

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Joe
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:31:33 +0200 Alexandre Garreau wrote: > > The mail you answer to sadly didn’t explain concretely what is the > payement, and how you can make money from it. The answer is: selling > personal data. Both what you output, what comes from you, and what > is inputted to you

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Brian
On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 15:38:26 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:27:03 AM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > BTW, for those who don't want to run their own server, there are still > > other reasons to avoid Github: my rule is to try and opt for the > > underdog so as to foster

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Brian
On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 14:59:27 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 07:32:19PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > May I suggest we get back on-topic. > > There's a topic? I think we're so far from the topic that we can't > even get back to it with a compass. Your OP was important and inte

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:27:03 AM Stefan Monnier wrote: > BTW, for those who don't want to run their own server, there are still > other reasons to avoid Github: my rule is to try and opt for the > underdog so as to foster competition. +1

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Alexandre Garreau
Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 16:09:50 CEST Celejar a écrit : > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:08:53 +0300 > > Reco wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 08:01:58AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are non-free (as in - > > > > non-gratis) services, so it's only reasonabl

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Stefan Monnier
> We are in basic agreement. I'm not really a "developer" - I just host > some relatively simple projects on Github. I agree that a deeper use of > something like Github is something I'd have to carefully consider. BTW, for those who don't want to run their own server, there are still other reason

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Alexandre Garreau
Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 20:00:44 CEST Celejar a écrit : > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:28:39 +0200 > Alexandre Garreau wrote: > > Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 14:01:58 CEST Celejar a écrit : > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:54:43 +0300 > > > Reco wrote: > > > > Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 07:32:19PM +0100, Brian wrote: > May I suggest we get back on-topic. There's a topic? I think we're so far from the topic that we can't even get back to it with a compass. > Greg Wooledge (he who has > disappeared) could just sensitively edit the wiki page he has > an int

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Brian
On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 14:00:44 -0400, Celejar wrote: [...] > Hey, for that matter, Debian is not gratis, since by using it, we grant > considerable power to the DDs, their committees, and the DPL! That's stirring it even more! May I suggest we get back on-topic. Greg Wooledge (he who has disapp

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:28:39 +0200 Alexandre Garreau wrote: > Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 14:01:58 CEST Celejar a écrit : > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:54:43 +0300 > > > > Reco wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 09:20:12AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > > > Working for f

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Alexandre Garreau
Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 14:01:58 CEST Celejar a écrit : > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:54:43 +0300 > > Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 09:20:12AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > > Working for free. > > > > > > > > Yes. This aspect was always annoying to Microsoft and

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:27:03 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > We are in basic agreement. I'm not really a "developer" - I just host > > some relatively simple projects on Github. I agree that a deeper use of > > something like Github is something I'd have to carefully consider. > > BTW, for those

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:08:53 +0300 Reco wrote: > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 08:01:58AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are non-free (as in - > > > non-gratis) services, so it's only reasonable to stay away from them > > > regardless of whom is controlling them.

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Reco
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 08:01:58AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are non-free (as in - > > non-gratis) services, so it's only reasonable to stay away from them > > regardless of whom is controlling them. > > What do you mean by calling them non-gratis service

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Brian Thompson
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 08:01:58AM -0400, Celejar wrote: >If you maintain a local copy of your code and just push it to Github >for serving it publicly (which is what I do, and what I assume most >developers do), you haven't lost control of your code - if / when the >host does anything you don't li

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:54:43 +0300 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 09:20:12AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > Working for free. > > > > > > Yes. This aspect was always annoying to Microsoft and alike. > > > > Times have changed. Now Microsoft *loves* free work... don

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-13 Thread Brian Thompson
On 0713, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >and I feel annoyed by the size of your belly >button, you seem pretty much thinking life is centered around yourself. That's a funny statement coming from you. >Don't want to be a dream breaker but it's not the case, same as the way >America's empi

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-13 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-07-13 6:55 a.m., Brian Thompson wrote: > On 0713, Borden wrote: >> "I don't care what anybody else's experience is," which is the >> reasoning of antisocial personality disorders (per the DSM). > > Didn't know you were a doctor. Good one there. > Don't need to be a doctor to know h

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-13 Thread Brian Thompson
On 0713, Borden wrote: > "I don't care what anybody else's experience is," which is the > reasoning of antisocial personality disorders (per the DSM). Didn't know you were a doctor. Good one there. -- Best regards, Brian T Coronavirus is a scam. 9/11 was an inside job. signature.asc Descrip

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 11:22:48AM +0200, john doe wrote: > On 7/13/2021 10:54 AM, Reco wrote: > > Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are non-free (as in - > > non-gratis) services, so it's only reasonable to stay away from them > > regardless of whom is controlling them. > >

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 11:22:48AM +0200, john doe wrote: > On 7/13/2021 10:54 AM, Reco wrote: > > > >Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are non-free (as in - > >non-gratis) services, so it's only reasonable to stay away from them > >regardless of whom is controlling them. > > > >You need t

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread john doe
On 7/13/2021 10:54 AM, Reco wrote: Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are non-free (as in - non-gratis) services, so it's only reasonable to stay away from them regardless of whom is controlling them. You need to be in control of your code - *you* host it. Always was, always is. It's no

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 09:20:12AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > Working for free. > > > > Yes. This aspect was always annoying to Microsoft and alike. > > Times have changed. Now Microsoft *loves* free work... done for > them [1]. Nothing had changed in this regard. Every so

Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

2021-07-13 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 09:01:20AM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Gregory Smith wrote to me: > > You're a bunch of fa*gots. > > I think this asterisk is an insufficient surrogate for a classical "bleep". > But thank you for the plural. This enhances my self-esteem. > > > > Working for f

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-13 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 06:32:37AM +0200, Borden wrote: > > It's only offensive to the people who are offended [...] > This is poor reasoning. Or... actually no reasoning at all. > "Foolish at best" and "waste of everyone's time" are personal > opinions, not arguments. "Isn't possible" is a stra

Re: Offensive variable names

2021-07-13 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Gregory Smith wrote to me: > You're a bunch of fa*gots. I think this asterisk is an insufficient surrogate for a classical "bleep". But thank you for the plural. This enhances my self-esteem. > Working for free. Yes. This aspect was always annoying to Microsoft and alike. > "Professional

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-12 Thread Borden
> It's only offensive to the people who are offended.  Theoretically all > words are offensive since any word can be offensive to anyone just because > they deem it so.  Censoring (i.e. changing the language) of everything to > appease everyone 1) isn't possible, 2) is foolish at best, 3) is a > wa

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-12 Thread Brian Thompson
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 04:45:51PM +0200, Alexandre Garreau wrote: > >I think it is bad policy of morally judging the frustration, anger or tone >of people because of their oppressors. Oppression has come a long weigh. Apparently, in my country, it is considered oppressive to be a minority who

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-12 Thread Brian Thompson
On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 08:25:22PM +, ghe2001 wrote: >Master/slave my be less than optimal when describing humans, but they're very >useful when working with DNS. > >And blacklist is useful in SMTP, among others. IIRC, the word refers to >voting in classical Athens, not humans. > >Offensive

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-12 Thread Stefan Monnier
> It's only offensive to the people who are offended. Theoretically all > words are offensive since any word can be offensive to anyone just because > they deem it so. Censoring (i.e. changing the language) of everything to > appease everyone 1) isn't possible, 2) is foolish at best, 3) is a >

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 12 July 2021 12:55:27 James H. H. Lampert wrote: > I know people who associate the time-honored metasyntactic "foobar" > with the military slang acronym FUBAR. > > -- > JHHL I've used them interchangeably for 80+ years, and I'll do it till I miss roll call. That particular slang was pr

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-12 Thread Charlie Gibbs
On Mon Jul 12 11:07:51 2021 Brian Thompson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 05:39:43PM +0300, Kevin N. wrote: > >>> Right, and I myself have lodged a ticket to ban bar after foo >>> because it might lead to blithe attitudes concerning alcohol >>> in our vulnerable youth. >> >> Don't get me wrong

Re: Offensive variable names

2021-07-12 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Curt wrote: > > I myself have lodged a ticket to ban bar after foo because it > > might lead to blithe attitudes concerning alcohol in our vulnerable > > youth. Kevin N. wrote: > I for one, have never in my life thought of alcohol when I saw a variable > named "foobar". That is ... until I sa

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-12 Thread Brian Thompson
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 05:39:43PM +0300, Kevin N. wrote: >>Right, and I myself have lodged a ticket to ban bar after foo because it >>might lead to blithe attitudes concerning alcohol in our vulnerable >>youth. > >Don't get me wrong: like many other things, offensive languages is a serious >one. >

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-12 Thread Kevin N.
Right, and I myself have lodged a ticket to ban bar after foo because it might lead to blithe attitudes concerning alcohol in our vulnerable youth. Don't get me wrong: like many other things, offensive languages is a serious one. But, instead of helping, I think that you are in fact minimizing i

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-12 Thread James H. H. Lampert
I know people who associate the time-honored metasyntactic "foobar" with the military slang acronym FUBAR. -- JHHL

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-12 Thread Curt
On 2021-07-12, Kevin N. wrote: >> Right, and I myself have lodged a ticket to ban bar after foo because it >> might lead to blithe attitudes concerning alcohol in our vulnerable >> youth. > > Don't get me wrong: like many other things, offensive languages is a > serious one. > But, instead of hel

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-12 Thread Peter Ehlert
On 7/12/21 7:39 AM, Kevin N. wrote: Right, and I myself have lodged a ticket to ban bar after foo because it might lead to blithe attitudes concerning alcohol in our vulnerable youth. Don't get me wrong: like many other things, offensive languages is a serious one. But, instead of helping, I

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-12 Thread Alexandre Garreau
Le dimanche 11 juillet 2021, 22:58:55 CEST Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside a écrit : > Hi, > > > Whatever, the use of controversial words in publicly visible code is > > not an indication of a professional attitude. Overdoing juvenile > > enthusiasm for provocation might lead to a result like wit

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-12 Thread Kevin N.
Right, and I myself have lodged a ticket to ban bar after foo because it might lead to blithe attitudes concerning alcohol in our vulnerable youth. Don't get me wrong: like many other things, offensive languages is a serious one. But, instead of helping, I think that you are in fact minimizing

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-12 Thread Curt
On 2021-07-11, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Whatever, the use of controversial words in publicly visible code is not > an indication of a professional attitude. Overdoing juvenile enthusiasm > for provocation might lead to a result like with the "weboob" package which > got removed from Debian Right

Re: Useless [Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]]

2021-07-12 Thread Reco
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 06:52:34AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, July 12, 2021 04:11:18 AM Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > And that is childish. > > And that is denigrating. https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct Just a friendly reminder to all participants

Re: Useless [Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]]

2021-07-12 Thread rhkramer
On Monday, July 12, 2021 04:11:18 AM Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > And that is childish. And that is denigrating.

Re: Useless [Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]]

2021-07-12 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 04:11:18AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-07-12 3:43 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 04:58:55PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > > wrote: > > > > [...] > > > >> It's really childish to gratify oneself by

Writing angry comments inside code and forgetting that opensource means world will read you [ was : Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]]

2021-07-12 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-07-12 3:43 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 04:58:55PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: > > [...] > >> It's really childish to gratify oneself by putting offensive comments in >> a software. > > Denigrating someone because you disagree with him

Re: Useless [Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]]

2021-07-12 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-07-12 3:43 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 04:58:55PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: > > [...] > >> It's really childish to gratify oneself by putting offensive comments in >> a software. > > Denigrating someone because you disagree with him

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-12 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 04:59:52AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > > On 12/07/2021 4:32 am, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > You can also run into problems with different languages. For > instance a Swedish developer would have no problem using terms fart, > prick, and fack, but some English speake

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-12 Thread tomas
On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 04:58:55PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: [...] > It's really childish to gratify oneself by putting offensive comments in > a software. Denigrating someone because you disagree with him/her is not a sign of wisdom. Quoting your own signature: "be wise...".

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-11 Thread jeremy ardley
On 12/07/2021 4:32 am, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 08:25:22PM +, ghe2001 wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Master/slave my be less than optimal when describing humans, but they're very useful when working with DNS. And blacklist is useful in SM

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-11 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, > Whatever, the use of controversial words in publicly visible code is not > an indication of a professional attitude. Overdoing juvenile enthusiasm > for provocation might lead to a result like with the "weboob" package which > got removed from Debian > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugre

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-11 Thread tomas
On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 08:25:22PM +, ghe2001 wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > > > Master/slave my be less than optimal when describing humans, but they're very > useful when working with DNS. > > And blacklist is useful in SMTP, among others. IIRC, the word

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-11 Thread ghe2001
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Master/slave my be less than optimal when describing humans, but they're very useful when working with DNS. And blacklist is useful in SMTP, among others. IIRC, the word refers to voting in classical Athens, not humans. Offensive terms should,

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-11 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 10:05:39PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Brian wrote: > > Variable change? A link from either of you, please. > > After googling "offensive variable name" i got to: > > "Fix use of offensive word in kafka receiver factory_test" > https://github.com/open-telem

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

2021-07-11 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Brian wrote: > Variable change? A link from either of you, please. After googling "offensive variable name" i got to: "Fix use of offensive word in kafka receiver factory_test" https://github.com/open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector/issues/2286 which led to "changed variable name i