Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: > On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > > > I'm worried about loosing contrib, waisting _more_ time > > supporting some non-free or contrib software, and the explosions > > of badly-made and incompatible deb packages that may result. > > Point taken. I, howe

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > There are many types of users that depend on Debian. Most of them probably > > have a mixture of motives that include both the political (DFSG) and the > > practical (apt rules!). However, the argument that Debian should be > > worried about keeping

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

Colin Watson wrote: > Syrus Nemat-Nasser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On 8 Jun 2000, Chuan-kai Lin wrote: > >> There is a General Resolution proposed by developer John Goerzen that > >> is under discussion on both debian-devel and debian-project, maybe also > >> a few others that I am not aware o

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

Igor Mozetic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Anyway, if this resolution is passed, I will consider switching to another >distribution. I have to maintain 11 Debian machines, and even so spend >quite some time on proper configuration. Before such a move, I would like >some informed suggestions about pos

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

Andrew George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I don't think this is a good thing. >Debian is a great distribution, and I do agree, the project shouldn't >be wasting time with bug trackking (except where its the deb that got a >problem). Um, I think that's one of the main goals of the project :) We c

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

Syrus Nemat-Nasser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Peter S Galbraith wrote: >> Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: >> > Pardon me, but why do you folks think you will no longer have >> > access to Debianized packages of this non-free software? These >> > packages would simply have to be manag

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: > On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > > Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: > > > > > Pardon me, but why do you folks think you will no longer > > > have access to Debianized packages of this non-free > > > software? These packages would simply have to be managed >

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

Syrus Nemat-Nasser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 8 Jun 2000, Chuan-kai Lin wrote: >> There is a General Resolution proposed by developer John Goerzen that >> is under discussion on both debian-devel and debian-project, maybe also >> a few others that I am not aware of. The nature of the GR is to

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: > > > Pardon me, but why do you folks think you will no longer have access to > > Debianized packages of this non-free software? These packages would simply > > have to be managed outside of the official Debian infrastruc

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: > Pardon me, but why do you folks think you will no longer have access to > Debianized packages of this non-free software? These packages would simply > have to be managed outside of the official Debian infrastructure. Note the _have to_ above. Who will do this? >

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

Matthew, and Debian Folks, On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Matthew Dalton wrote, in part: > The real change is that non-free will no longer be covered by the same > bug tracking system as the rest of Debian. This will have the most > effect on the packages in the contrib section that depend on packages in

OT: GNU (was: Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian)

"Moore, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The endless issues over free vs non-free and other license-related issues > makes Debian look more like license nit-pickers than anything else. This > doesn't seem to me to be a good image to have. It's not done the GNU project > much good, and it would b

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 11:38:31AM -0700, Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Moore, Paul wrote: > > Pardon me, but why do you folks think you will no longer have access to > Debianized packages of this non-free software? These packages would simply > have to be managed outside of the

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

I've been following this thread on debian-devel for a few days now... I am against the proposal myself, but I don't have any say because I'm not a Debian developer. Andrew George wrote: > > I don't think this is a good thing. > Debian is a great distribution, and I do agree, the project shouldn't

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

Is there a chance that Storm or Corel or both would take over non-free? -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum

RE: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Moore, Paul wrote: > From: Brad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > While getting rid of non-free is a noble goal, i don't feel > > that Debian > > can do it now without losing support from some parts of the Free > > Software community (look at the reaction over KDE, and then t

RE: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

Title: RE: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian In short: Debian +easier configuration -ideology -:) -Igor Mozetic Answer: FreeBSD + ports + linux compat libs.

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

> Intense debate is already under way. Whether you are for and against > the resolution, let your voice be heard. I find these ideological debates useless and a great waste of resources. It would be much more productive to do some real work like releasing potato, including security fixes for bind

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Randy Edwards wrote: >In the Debian developer's mailing list. Feel free to join it and add > your $.02 in if you'd like (like most things in Debian, it's open to all). ... although in the past there had been talk of closing it to posts from non-developers. later (unless

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Eric Hagglund wrote: > Where can we get more information on this subject? > Where is this being debated, if at all? debian-{devel,project,vote} I follow -vote; there has been a formal call for votes (CFV), a question regarding the wording of the CFV, and a formal objection to

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

> Where can we get more information on this subject? > Where is this being debated, if at all? In the Debian developer's mailing list. Feel free to join it and add your $.02 in if you'd like (like most things in Debian, it's open to all). -- Regards, | Does my signature block look out-of-al

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

I don't think this is a good thing. Debian is a great distribution, and I do agree, the project shouldn't be wasting time with bug trackking (except where its the deb that got a problem). But to do this on a philosophical point is only going to cause problems for the user base and make it less at

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 09:44:56AM +0100, Moore, Paul wrote: > I agree with this sentiment. Debian is by far my preferred Linux > distribution, but the "DFSG free or nothing" attitude is a little hard-core > for me. I don't see any problem with segregating non-DFSG-free stuff from > the fully DFSG

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

Where can we get more information on this subject? Where is this being debated, if at all? --- Chuan-kai Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just a heads-up guys, > > There is a General Resolution proposed by developer > John Goerzen that > is under discussion on both debian-devel and > debian-proje

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

> the Social Contract so that Debian will stop distributing non-free > packages. If the GR is passed, then Debian will no longer provide the > storage, bandwidth, and bug tracking facilities for non-free packages, > including acroread, blender, netscape, jdk, povray, trn, and xanim. One huge a

RE: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

From: Brad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > While getting rid of non-free is a noble goal, i don't feel > that Debian > can do it now without losing support from some parts of the Free > Software community (look at the reaction over KDE, and then think of > Netscape, LyX, etc etc etc) and without lo

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 11:08:02PM -0500, Brad wrote: > > For the curious, the command i used to find non-free packages was: > grep-status -F Status ' install' | grep-status -s Package -F Section \ > non-free - or you could install the vrms package. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erb

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 01:25:13AM +, Chuan-kai Lin wrote: > > There is a General Resolution proposed by developer John Goerzen that > is under discussion on both debian-devel and debian-project, maybe also > a few others that I am not aware of. The nature of the GR is to amend > the Social C

Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

On 8 Jun 2000, Chuan-kai Lin wrote: > There is a General Resolution proposed by developer John Goerzen that > is under discussion on both debian-devel and debian-project, maybe also > a few others that I am not aware of. The nature of the GR is to amend > the Social Contract so that Debian will s

Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian

Just a heads-up guys, There is a General Resolution proposed by developer John Goerzen that is under discussion on both debian-devel and debian-project, maybe also a few others that I am not aware of. The nature of the GR is to amend the Social Contract so that Debian will stop distributing non-f