Re: Network Manager cannot be removed

2009-09-01 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-09-01 01:17, Stefan Monnier wrote: Can you explain what exactly you mean by that and why NM isn't multi-user. In what way is it multi-user? Try it: log in once, look at the applet; then log in a second time with another user, look at the absence of the applet. I actually find the UI fa

Re: Network Manager cannot be removed

2009-08-31 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Can you explain what exactly you mean by that and why NM isn't multi-user. In what way is it multi-user? Try it: log in once, look at the applet; then log in a second time with another user, look at the absence of the applet. I actually find the UI fairly good, but I find it a drag that it can'

Re: Network Manager cannot be removed

2009-08-31 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-08-31 06:27 +0200, JoeHill wrote: > Sven Joachim wrote: >> >> I don't know anything about Synaptic (never used it), but there are >> "apt-mark unmarkauto " and "aptitude unmarkauto " >> which you can use at the commandline. > > Okay, so now I've removed the gnome metapackage, and aptitud

Re: Network Manager cannot be removed

2009-08-30 Thread JoeHill
Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2009-08-30 20:58 +0200, JoeHill wrote: > > > Sven Joachim wrote: > >> > >> Remove the gnome metapackage. Make sure to mark everything it depends > >> on and which you want to keep as "manually installed". > > > > Do you mean in Synaptic? I can't see any way to do

Re: Network Manager cannot be removed

2009-08-30 Thread JoeHill
John Hasler wrote: > JoeHill writes: > > Can someone please tell me how I can permanently, and with great > > malice, annihilate Network Manager once and for all? > > "apt-get remove --purge network-manager". Let it remove the gnome > metapackage. It's already done its job. That worked, tha

Re: Network Manager cannot be removed

2009-08-30 Thread Michael Biebl
Stefan Monnier wrote: > I'm not fond of wicd (I think its UI is pretty clunky), but at least > it's not as fundamentally flawed as NM (which didn't seem to understand > that Gnome is designed for POSIX systems which are by nature multi-user; Can you explain what exactly you mean by that and why NM

Re: Network Manager cannot be removed

2009-08-30 Thread Michael Biebl
JoeHill wrote: > This is going to drive me nuts. > > I've removed Network Manager in the past because it causes no end of trouble, > especially because it never seems to think I'm connected to the Internet, so > everything starts in 'offline' mode. Assuming you are using testing/unstable: I gues

Re: Network Manager cannot be removed

2009-08-30 Thread Stefan Monnier
> > It's clearly a packaging bug. > Not necessarily, gnome is just a metapackage pulling in a set other > packages. Whether it should really bring in network-manager-gnome is > debatable, of course; but you are free to remove the metapackage and use > your own collection. This answer is a cop-ou

Re: Network Manager cannot be removed

2009-08-30 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-08-30 21:30 +0200, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I've removed Network Manager in the past because it causes no end of >> trouble, especially because it never seems to think I'm connected to >> the Internet, so everything starts in 'offline' mode. > >> Major Gnome update today, and sure enough,

Re: Network Manager cannot be removed

2009-08-30 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I've removed Network Manager in the past because it causes no end of > trouble, especially because it never seems to think I'm connected to > the Internet, so everything starts in 'offline' mode. > Major Gnome update today, and sure enough, Network Manager is > installed again. This time howeve

Re: Network Manager cannot be removed

2009-08-30 Thread Lorenzo Beretta
JoeHill ha scritto: This is going to drive me nuts. I've removed Network Manager in the past because it causes no end of trouble, especially because it never seems to think I'm connected to the Internet, so everything starts in 'offline' mode. Major Gnome update today, and sure enough, Network

Re: Network Manager cannot be removed

2009-08-30 Thread John Hasler
JoeHill writes: > Can someone please tell me how I can permanently, and with great > malice, annihilate Network Manager once and for all? "apt-get remove --purge network-manager". Let it remove the gnome metapackage. It's already done its job. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debia

Re: Network Manager cannot be removed

2009-08-30 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-08-30 20:58 +0200, JoeHill wrote: > Sven Joachim wrote: >> >> Remove the gnome metapackage. Make sure to mark everything it depends >> on and which you want to keep as "manually installed". > > Do you mean in Synaptic? I can't see any way to do what you suggest... I don't know anything

Re: Network Manager cannot be removed

2009-08-30 Thread JoeHill
Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2009-08-30 20:47 +0200, JoeHill wrote: > > > This is going to drive me nuts. > > > > I've removed Network Manager in the past because it causes no end of > > trouble, especially because it never seems to think I'm connected to the > > Internet, so everything starts in 'o

Re: Network Manager cannot be removed

2009-08-30 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-08-30 20:47 +0200, JoeHill wrote: > This is going to drive me nuts. > > I've removed Network Manager in the past because it causes no end of trouble, > especially because it never seems to think I'm connected to the Internet, so > everything starts in 'offline' mode. > > Major Gnome update

Network Manager cannot be removed

2009-08-30 Thread JoeHill
This is going to drive me nuts. I've removed Network Manager in the past because it causes no end of trouble, especially because it never seems to think I'm connected to the Internet, so everything starts in 'offline' mode. Major Gnome update today, and sure enough, Network Manager is installed