Re: timedatectl DHCP NTP Server

2021-08-03 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 22:16:12 +0100 basti wrote: > As I can see now timedatectl seems *not* > using the NTP Server provide by DHCP. I have configure a NTP server > in LAN. Are you using NetworkManager? Out of the box, it does not pick up the relevant information from the dhcp client.

Re: timedatectl DHCP NTP Server

2021-02-06 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 12:13:43 -0700 Charles Curley wrote: > > For lack of time, I resorted to use systemd-timesyncd but apparently > > you need to configure NM to handle NTP server by way of a hook or > > tweaking the profile for the desired connection. > > So I conje

Re: timedatectl DHCP NTP Server

2021-02-05 Thread deloptes
Darac Marjal wrote: > And, for the D part in DHCP, the ArchWiki has as recipe for how to do > this automatically using NetworkManager's dispatcher scripts. OP hasn't > said what DHCP client they use, so some adaption might be required. I am afraid I missed that part. Indeed it seems to be the bug

Re: timedatectl DHCP NTP Server

2021-02-05 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 19:50:49 +0100 john doe wrote: > > > > Is NetworkManager causing problems here? > > > > For lack of time, I resorted to use systemd-timesyncd but apparently > you need to configure NM to handle NTP server by way of a hook or > tweaking the prof

Re: timedatectl DHCP NTP Server

2021-02-05 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 08:33:30 -0700 Charles Curley wrote: > I have two other machines running the systemd time client. Both are > Bullseye. Both show that they are using the local NTP server. Neither > is running NetworkManager. > > Is NetworkManager causing problems here? Appar

Re: timedatectl DHCP NTP Server

2021-02-05 Thread john doe
On 2/5/2021 4:33 PM, Charles Curley wrote: On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 07:22:27 -0700 Charles Curley wrote: On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 07:24:05 +0100 john doe wrote: It does work fine for me, is the lease showing the ntp server? I don't know. The computer in question is a laptop and using wif

Re: timedatectl DHCP NTP Server

2021-02-05 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 07:22:27 -0700 Charles Curley wrote: > On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 07:24:05 +0100 > john doe wrote: > > > It does work fine for me, is the lease showing the ntp server? > > I don't know. The computer in question is a laptop and using wifi and >

Re: timedatectl DHCP NTP Server

2021-02-05 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 07:24:05 +0100 john doe wrote: > It does work fine for me, is the lease showing the ntp server? I don't know. The computer in question is a laptop and using wifi and NetworkManager. There is no dhcp.leases file for the wifi nic. There is an old one for the wired ni

Re: timedatectl DHCP NTP Server

2021-02-05 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 05 Feb 2021 09:22:55 +0100 deloptes wrote: > set your NTP IP in /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf > and restart > > systemctl restart systemd-timesyncd I thought the whole point of specifying the time server via DHCP was to avoid editing /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf. -- Does anybody

Re: timedatectl DHCP NTP Server

2021-02-05 Thread Darac Marjal
On 05/02/2021 08:22, deloptes wrote: > basti wrote: > >> Hello, >> I use a up to date debian. As I can see now timedatectl seems *not* >> using the NTP Server provide by DHCP. I have configure a NTP server in >> LAN. >> >> timedatectl timesync

Re: timedatectl DHCP NTP Server

2021-02-05 Thread deloptes
basti wrote: > Hello, > I use a up to date debian. As I can see now timedatectl seems *not* > using the NTP Server provide by DHCP. I have configure a NTP server in > LAN. > > timedatectl timesync-status >Server: 167.86.86.192 (0.debian.pool.ntp.org) > Poll int

Re: timedatectl DHCP NTP Server

2021-02-05 Thread basti
use a up to date debian. As I can see now timedatectl seems *not* using the NTP Server provide by DHCP. I have configure a NTP server in  LAN. timedatectl  timesync-status     Server: 167.86.86.192 (0.debian.pool.ntp.org) Poll interval: 1min 4s (min: 32s; max 34min 8s) I see the same, on a Bul

Re: timedatectl DHCP NTP Server

2021-02-04 Thread john doe
On 2/5/2021 4:10 AM, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 22:16:12 +0100 basti wrote: I use a up to date debian. As I can see now timedatectl seems *not* using the NTP Server provide by DHCP. I have configure a NTP server in LAN. timedatectl timesync-status Server

Re: timedatectl DHCP NTP Server

2021-02-04 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 22:16:12 +0100 basti wrote: > I use a up to date debian. As I can see now timedatectl seems *not* > using the NTP Server provide by DHCP. I have configure a NTP server > in LAN. > > timedatectl timesync-status >Server: 167.86.86.192 (0.debian.po

Re: timedatectl DHCP NTP Server

2021-02-04 Thread Dan Ritter
basti wrote: > I use a up to date debian. Stable? Testing? Unstable? > As I can see now timedatectl seems *not* > using the NTP Server provide by DHCP. I have configure a NTP server in LAN. > Assuming you are sending option 42, the usual way to get that adopted is to tell d

timedatectl DHCP NTP Server

2021-02-04 Thread basti
Hello, I use a up to date debian. As I can see now timedatectl seems *not* using the NTP Server provide by DHCP. I have configure a NTP server in LAN. timedatectl timesync-status Server: 167.86.86.192 (0.debian.pool.ntp.org) Poll interval: 1min 4s (min: 32s; max 34min 8s) Leap

Re: KDE digital clock NTP server time adjust.

2013-06-30 Thread Bob Proulx
Franco Martelli wrote: > Bob Proulx ha scritto: > > Franco Martelli wrote: > >> I installed both ntpdate and rdate packages but automatic date > >> and time update of KDE digital clock on the desktop doesn't > >> work. Do I need package like kdesudo in order to make things > >> working? > > > > No

Re: KDE digital clock NTP server time adjust.

2013-06-30 Thread Franco Martelli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 29/06/2013 20:24, Bob Proulx ha scritto: > Franco Martelli wrote: >> I installed both ntpdate and rdate packages but automatic date >> and time update of KDE digital clock on the desktop doesn't >> work. Do I need package like kdesudo in order to ma

Re: KDE digital clock NTP server time adjust.

2013-06-29 Thread Bob Proulx
Franco Martelli wrote: > I installed both ntpdate and rdate packages but automatic date and > time update of KDE digital clock on the desktop doesn't work. > Do I need package like kdesudo in order to make things working? No. Your choice of packages is unfortunate. A mistake. Instead install 'n

Re: KDE digital clock NTP server time adjust.

2013-06-29 Thread Erwan David
Le 29/06/2013 15:51, Franco Martelli a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I,m on Wheezy amd64 port. I installed both ntpdate and rdate packages but automatic date and time update of KDE digital clock on the desktop doesn't work. Do I need package like kdesudo in order to make

KDE digital clock NTP server time adjust.

2013-06-29 Thread Franco Martelli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I,m on Wheezy amd64 port. I installed both ntpdate and rdate packages but automatic date and time update of KDE digital clock on the desktop doesn't work. Do I need package like kdesudo in order to make things working? Trying with rdate I got: $ rdat

Re: NTP-Server no longer available in Squeeze?

2011-03-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 19:55 -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > > Jimmy Johnson writes: > >> Instead of the 'ntp' server what you probably want is 'ntpdate' > >> installed... > > > > Ntpdate is deprecated. > >

Re: NTP-Server no longer available in Squeeze?

2011-03-02 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <4d6dbfcb.2030...@gmail.com>, Jimmy Johnson wrote: >John Hasler wrote: >> Jimmy Johnson writes: >>> Instead of the 'ntp' server what you probably want is 'ntpdate' >>> installed... >> >> Ntpdate is deprecated. > >I appre

Re: NTP-Server no longer available in Squeeze?

2011-03-02 Thread Mart Frauenlob
On 01.03.2011 23:36, Steve Smith wrote: Was going to setup a central time server, but found that NTP-Server is no longer available in Squeeze. Are there any alternatives? apt-cache search "^ntp" aptitude search "^ntp" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@list

Re: NTP-Server no longer available in Squeeze?

2011-03-01 Thread Jimmy Johnson
John Hasler wrote: Jimmy Johnson writes: Instead of the 'ntp' server what you probably want is 'ntpdate' installed... Ntpdate is deprecated. ...it's the client... It is a client, and a very limited one. Ntpd is both client and server. Use it or Chrony.

Re: NTP-Server no longer available in Squeeze?

2011-03-01 Thread John Hasler
Jimmy Johnson writes: > Instead of the 'ntp' server what you probably want is 'ntpdate' > installed... Ntpdate is deprecated. > ...it's the client... It is a client, and a very limited one. Ntpd is both client and server. Use it or Chrony. -- John Hasler -

Re: NTP-Server no longer available in Squeeze?

2011-03-01 Thread Jimmy Johnson
Steve Smith wrote: Was going to setup a central time server, but found that NTP-Server is no longer available in Squeeze. Are there any alternatives? Thanks, Steve Instead of the 'ntp' server what you probably want is 'ntpdate' installed, it's the client, it will

Re: NTP-Server no longer available in Squeeze?

2011-03-01 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2011-03-01, Steve Smith wrote: > --_000_C992D105B960ssmithxpressdocscom_ > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Was going to setup a central time server, but found that NTP-Server is no l= > onger availab

Re: NTP-Server no longer available in Squeeze?

2011-03-01 Thread Eero Volotinen
2011/3/2 Steve Smith : > Was going to setup a central time server, but found that NTP-Server is no > longer available in Squeeze. Are there any alternatives? > > Thanks, > Steve http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ntp -- Eero -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@l

NTP-Server no longer available in Squeeze?

2011-03-01 Thread Steve Smith
Was going to setup a central time server, but found that NTP-Server is no longer available in Squeeze. Are there any alternatives? Thanks, Steve

Re: NTP Server

2009-10-28 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Again, aptitude install ntp is fully automatic and shouldn't require any > manual configuration. You may want to remove the package and reinstall it. s/remove/purge - -- Johannes Three nations have not officially adopted the

Re: NTP Server

2009-10-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Dennis Wicks put forth on 10/27/2009 10:02 AM: > Roman Gelfand wrote the following on 10/27/2009 09:44 AM: >> I am running ntp server. I suppose I need to tell ntp server the >> authoritative time server to synchronize with. How would I do that? >> >> Thanks again

Re: NTP Server

2009-10-27 Thread Roman Gelfand
I, actually, replaced my ntp.conf with the basic suggested configuration from www.pool.ntp.org and the time is perfect now. Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: NTP Server

2009-10-27 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roman Gelfand wrote: > I am running ntp server. I suppose I need to tell ntp server the > authoritative time server to synchronize with. How would I do that? Debian's defaults work out of the box for me. What's your ou

Re: NTP Server

2009-10-27 Thread Dennis Wicks
Roman Gelfand wrote the following on 10/27/2009 09:44 AM: I am running ntp server. I suppose I need to tell ntp server the authoritative time server to synchronize with. How would I do that? Thanks again The info is in /etc/ntp.conf as well as some sample entries. Go to http

Re: NTP Server

2009-10-27 Thread Roman Gelfand
I am running ntp server. I suppose I need to tell ntp server the authoritative time server to synchronize with. How would I do that? Thanks again -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: NTP Server

2009-10-27 Thread Dan Ritter
ate is a one-time operation. You fire it off, typically in the boot process, and then you don't run it again. I suppose you could put it in a cronjob. ntp-server does continuous synchronization. That's what you really want to be running. -dsr- -- http://tao.merseine.nu/~dsr/eula.html

NTP Server

2009-10-27 Thread Roman Gelfand
I have started time server, ran ntpdate command. The time matched. Several weeks later the time is off by a little more than a minute. What is controlling how often time server updated by the ntpdate command? Thanks in advance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org wi

Re: setup a local ntp server on debian

2009-09-23 Thread Mike Mestnik
> http://geodsoft.com/howto/timesync/ > http://www.pool.ntp.org/ > > This isn't all I looked at but it should get > you started. > > >> >> 1. Which do you suggest to use? openntpd or ntp server? > > I used ntp. > >> 2. Can I setup redundancy with any

Re: setup a local ntp server on debian

2009-09-23 Thread gcrimp
vers only to serve our local > boxes. I've some questions for you: I recently set up an ntp server. It is one of the easiest protocols I've set up. Here are some links that I found useful when researching ntp: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome http://geodsoft.com/how

Re: setup a local ntp server on debian

2009-09-23 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 23 September 2009 14:58:59 Israel Garcia wrote: > 1. Which do you suggest to use? openntpd or ntp server? I prefer openntpd. The other ntpd is more feature-rich and is a more recent protocol version, so it might be better though. > 2. Can I setup redundancy with any o

RE: setup a local ntp server on debian

2009-09-23 Thread Kevin Ross
; We're planning to setup our NTP's servers only to serve our local > boxes. I've some questions for you: > > 1. Which do you suggest to use? openntpd or ntp server? I use the "ntp" package with great success. It is both a server and a client. > 2. Can I setup

setup a local ntp server on debian

2009-09-23 Thread Israel Garcia
We've been increasing in numbers of debian lenny servers and they has a cron.hourly as follow: #!/bin/bash /usr/sbin/ntpdate -u swisstime.ethz.ch We're planning to setup our NTP's servers only to serve our local boxes. I've some questions for you: 1. Which do you suggest to

Re: ntp server setup

2009-08-26 Thread Umarzuki Mochlis
thanks 2009/8/27 Raquel : > On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:12:05 +0800 > Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: > >> how do i setup a local ntp server on my debian lenny so i can sync >> my guest os (vbox) without connecting to the internet (using >> host-only interface)? All i can find ar

Re: ntp server setup

2009-08-26 Thread Raquel
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:12:05 +0800 Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: > how do i setup a local ntp server on my debian lenny so i can sync > my guest os (vbox) without connecting to the internet (using > host-only interface)? All i can find are articles on synching with > ntp servers over the i

ntp server setup

2009-08-26 Thread Umarzuki Mochlis
how do i setup a local ntp server on my debian lenny so i can sync my guest os (vbox) without connecting to the internet (using host-only interface)? All i can find are articles on synching with ntp servers over the internet, not setting up a local ntp server. -- Regards, Umarzuki Mochlis http

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-08-22 Thread John Hasler
s and I synchronize my system w/ NTP-server, I get time > offset too, notwithstanding I want to escape it. Ntp and "winter time" are unrelated. > What seemed me od with dpkg-reconfigure is that I had to choose wrong GMT > offset in order system shows true time. How is your hard

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-04-09 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
an one-hour difference from all the others. > and I yet could synchronize my system w/ > NTP-servers. I know that the servers are in UTC. But the problem w/ me > was that once the 'winter time' comes and I synchronize my system w/ > NTP-server, I get time offset too, notwith

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-04-09 Thread Strong and Humble
What I want(ed) is that my system show always the same time regardless of the winter time and I yet could synchronize my system w/ NTP-servers. I know that the servers are in UTC. But the problem w/ me was that once the 'winter time' comes and I synchronize my system w/ NTP-server, I get ti

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-04-05 Thread Johan Kullstam
Chris Jones writes: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 01:09:10PM EDT, Paul E Condon wrote: > >> But "exact spot"? That would imply different clock settings in >> different rooms of one's home. Not for me. > > Fancy that.. under our latitudes, when your house is a few hundred yards > wide.. never mind.. I

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-31 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-31 08:29, John Hasler wrote: Scooty Puff writes: Even those who run their own businesses are "slaves" to their customers. If your open-for-business hours are inconvenient for them, they'll go somewhere else. You could change your open-for-business hours to suit your customers withou

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-31 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-03-31_08:25:57, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2009-03-30 21:47, Paul E Condon wrote: >> On 2009-03-30_18:57:33, Ron Johnson wrote: > [snip] >>> >>> Whoever decided on an epoch of 1970-01-01 00:00:00 was extraordinarily >>> shortsighted, though. The OpenVMS epoch gives much more >>> flexibility

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-31 Thread Avi Greenbury
Paul E Condon wrote: You did not lose an hour. You got up an hour early because you are a slave to the reading on a clock that you know you set forward by an hour the night before. This is not the behavior of a rational being, IMHO. The only reason, IMHO, that you subscribe to such nonsense is th

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-31 Thread John Hasler
Scooty Puff writes: > Even those who run their own businesses are "slaves" to their customers. > If your open-for-business hours are inconvenient for them, they'll go > somewhere else. You could change your open-for-business hours to suit your customers without resetting the clocks in your home.

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-31 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-30 21:47, Paul E Condon wrote: On 2009-03-30_18:57:33, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] Whoever decided on an epoch of 1970-01-01 00:00:00 was extraordinarily shortsighted, though. The OpenVMS epoch gives much more flexibility... I'm not familiar with the OpenVMS epoch, but I don't bel

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-31 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-31 06:56, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, Mar 30 2009, Paul E Condon wrote: You did not lose an hour. You got up an hour early because you are a slave to the reading on a clock that you know you set forward by an hour the night before. This is not the b

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-31 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30 2009, Paul E Condon wrote: > >> You did not lose an hour. You got up an hour early because you are a >> slave to the reading on a clock that you know you set forward by an >> hour the night before. This is not the behavior of a rational being, >> IMHO. Th

Re: [OT] To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-31 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 31 March 2009 00:39:46 Mike Bird wrote: > On Mon March 30 2009 16:12:57 Tom Furie wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 04:47:38PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > Now, I want to stop arguing about the descriptions. But just one last > > > shot. I believe it is factually incorrect to say

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Mar 30 2009, Paul E Condon wrote: > > You did not lose an hour. You got up an hour early because you are a > slave to the reading on a clock that you know you set forward by an > hour the night before. This is not the behavior of a rational being, > IMHO. The only reason, IMHO, that you sub

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-30 21:19, Paul E Condon wrote: [snip] You did not lose an hour. You got up an hour early because you are a slave to the reading on a clock that you know you set forward by an hour the night before. This is not the behavior of a rational being, IMHO. The only reason, IMHO, that you sub

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-03-30_18:57:33, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2009-03-30 17:47, Paul E Condon wrote: >> On 2009-03-30_16:21:39, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> On 2009-03-30 15:50, Paul E Condon wrote: On 2009-03-29_11:15:15, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> [snip] > If you only have Linux on your computer, then it's cloc

Re: [OT] To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-03-30_16:39:46, Mike Bird wrote: > On Mon March 30 2009 16:12:57 Tom Furie wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 04:47:38PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > Now, I want to stop arguing about the descriptions. But just one last > > > shot. I believe it is factually incorrect to say that you '

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-03-31_00:12:57, Tom Furie wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 04:47:38PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > Now, I want to stop arguing about the descriptions. But just one last > > shot. I believe it is factually incorrect to say that you 'lose an > > hour' in switching from standard to summ

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Chris Jones
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 07:47:50PM EDT, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2009-03-30 17:52, Chris Jones wrote: > [snip] > > > >Would that be Boulder, CO..? I vaguely remember that my "alarm clock" > >sync's to its master over there, but I can't seem to get ahold of its > >manual just now. > > > > http://tf.

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-30 17:47, Paul E Condon wrote: On 2009-03-30_16:21:39, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-03-30 15:50, Paul E Condon wrote: On 2009-03-29_11:15:15, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] If you only have Linux on your computer, then it's clock is most likely UTC. On a Linux computer, the internal cloc

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-30 17:52, Chris Jones wrote: [snip] Would that be Boulder, CO..? I vaguely remember that my "alarm clock" sync's to its master over there, but I can't seem to get ahold of its manual just now. http://tf.nist.gov/cesium/fountain.htm http://tf.nist.gov/stations/wwvb.htm -- Scooty Pu

[OT] To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Mike Bird
On Mon March 30 2009 16:12:57 Tom Furie wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 04:47:38PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > Now, I want to stop arguing about the descriptions. But just one last > > shot. I believe it is factually incorrect to say that you 'lose an > > hour' in switching from standard to s

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Tom Furie
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 04:47:38PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > Now, I want to stop arguing about the descriptions. But just one last > shot. I believe it is factually incorrect to say that you 'lose an > hour' in switching from standard to summer time. It is conventional > wording, it is manife

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Chris Jones
[..] > >Anyway, what's the purpose of why you want to do this? To confuse > >yourself when looking at any other clock? You do know how Albert Einstein graduated from peculiar moron to universal genius..? CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Chris Jones
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 01:09:10PM EDT, Paul E Condon wrote: [..] > FYI. GMT definition is based on an exact spot with in the campus of > the old Greenwich Observatory (which has now been decommissioned). > Telescopes to the east or the west of that spot by about 289 meters > have local time that

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-03-30_16:21:39, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2009-03-30 15:50, Paul E Condon wrote: >> On 2009-03-29_11:15:15, Ron Johnson wrote: > [snip] >>> If you only have Linux on your computer, then it's clock is most >>> likely UTC. >> >> On a Linux computer, the internal clock is almost certainly *NOT*

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Paul E Condon
x Epoch", often shortened to "seconds > > beg to differ, I believe the time is kept relative to UTC and the > recording method is unix time In Linux hosts, the time that is used is a reading of the software clock on the "host", i.e. the computer. Most people choose to k

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-30 15:50, Paul E Condon wrote: On 2009-03-29_11:15:15, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] If you only have Linux on your computer, then it's clock is most likely UTC. On a Linux computer, the internal clock is almost certainly *NOT* UTC, rather it is "seconds since Unix Epoch", often shorte

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Alex Samad
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 02:50:55PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > On 2009-03-29_11:15:15, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 2009-03-29 10:49, Paul E Condon wrote: > >> On 2009-03-29_22:29:41, Strong and Humble wrote: > >>> Good day. [snip] > > If you only have Linux on your computer, then it's clock is mo

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Paul E Condon
shift whole year? What I want is to stay the same time >>> (without winter shift) whole year, yet be able synchrinize my system >>> time with a ntp-server. >>> >>> How I can do this? >>> >>> Thank You for Your time. >> >> Wow! A kind

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
, yet be able synchrinize my system time with a ntp-server. How I can do this? Thank You for Your time. Wow! A kindred spirit. I have often wished for this too, but thought I was the only person in the world who was such an outlier as to want it. Only difference is that I have thought the thing

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-03-30_09:41:58, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:13:12PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > > Paul E Condon writes: > > > The current standard is better described as a de-jure standard, IMHO. > > > Didn't Congress pass a law on this issue? > > > > Of course. Otherwise we might

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-03-30_07:37:30, ghe wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Why don't you just tell your OS that you live in Arizona? That's > Mountain Time, and they don't do DST, IIRC. After I learned where to look on this list, I looked there, and found some very nice advance work

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 07:37:30AM -0600, ghe wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Why don't you just tell your OS that you live in Arizona? That's > Mountain Time, and they don't do DST, IIRC. Indeed: $ zdump -v /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Phoenix | grep 2009 [nothing]

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread ghe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Why don't you just tell your OS that you live in Arizona? That's Mountain Time, and they don't do DST, IIRC. - -- Glenn English g...@slsware.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://e

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > Of course. Otherwise we might have people doing things without > permission. Everything _must_ be regulated, after all. Tzafrir Cohen writes: > Sure. Why not use a time zone based on the exact spot where you live? Why not use time zones based on voluntary standards? People can and d

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > In the meantime it has proven to be a lot of hassle with no > (or very little) benefit and - at least in my country - the vast > majority is in favour of abolishing this enslaving of millions of > biorythms. s/biorhythm/circadian rhythm/ Johannes -- To UNSUB

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2009-03-29 11:49, Paul E Condon wrote: > [snip] >> >> A few weeks ago, my Lenny system switched over from displaying time in >> MST >> (Mountain Standard Time) to MDT (Mountain Daylight Time). It did this, I >> believe, because the switch-over is mandated in the official loc

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-30 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:13:12PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Paul E Condon writes: > > The current standard is better described as a de-jure standard, IMHO. > > Didn't Congress pass a law on this issue? > > Of course. Otherwise we might have people doing things without > permission. Everythin

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-29 21:56, Paul E Condon wrote: [snip] The regular movement of the time of noon over the span of a year is part of reality that I know, understand, and to some extent, treasure. I think I am not in denial about who I am, or where I am. Unless, of course, it turns our on further investi

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-29 Thread John Hasler
Paul E Condon writes: > The current standard is better described as a de-jure standard, IMHO. > Didn't Congress pass a law on this issue? Of course. Otherwise we might have people doing things without permission. Everything _must_ be regulated, after all. > But there was no budget for going af

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-29 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-03-29_16:01:29, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2009-03-29 14:05, Paul E Condon wrote: >> On 2009-03-29_13:06:18, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> On 2009-03-29 11:49, Paul E Condon wrote: >>> [snip] A few weeks ago, my Lenny system switched over from displaying time in MST (Mountain Standard Time)

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-29 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-03-29_20:58:05, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2009-03-29 20:47, Paul E Condon wrote: >> On 2009-03-30_10:31:27, Alex Samad wrote: >>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:49:22AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: On 2009-03-29_16:19:28, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Sunday 29 March 2009 17:07:54 Paul E Condon

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-29 20:47, Paul E Condon wrote: On 2009-03-30_10:31:27, Alex Samad wrote: On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:49:22AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: On 2009-03-29_16:19:28, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 29 March 2009 17:07:54 Paul E Condon wrote: On 2009-03-29_09:59:49, John Hasler wrote: Strong

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-29 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-03-30_10:31:27, Alex Samad wrote: > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:49:22AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > On 2009-03-29_16:19:28, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Sunday 29 March 2009 17:07:54 Paul E Condon wrote: > > > > On 2009-03-29_09:59:49, John Hasler wrote: > > > > > Strong and Humble writes:

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-29 Thread Alex Samad
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:49:22AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > On 2009-03-29_16:19:28, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Sunday 29 March 2009 17:07:54 Paul E Condon wrote: > > > On 2009-03-29_09:59:49, John Hasler wrote: > > > > Strong and Humble writes: > > > > > Just wanted to know if it is possible to

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-29 Thread Chris Jones
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 05:02:17PM EDT, Ron Johnson wrote: > >Tzafrir Cohen writes: > >DST taking effect automatically is exactly what Paul is objecting to. He > >wants no DST at all. AndyC has provided a solution. > > Tell him to move to Arizona!!! Silly me.. I felt all along there was one go

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-29 Thread John Hasler
Paul E Condon writes: > So the inodes in Linux file systems will have to get bigger when 64bit > Unix time really comes into eeffective use. Do you know anything about > the plans for this transition? Ext4 solves the timestamp problem. > With the recent explosion in the size of hard disks there w

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-29 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-03-29_11:53:57, John Hasler wrote: > Paul E Condon writes: > > I'm not OP, but I think I also want what, I believe, he wants, namely: A > > locale that I can select that will give me text displays of the time, and > > text displays of file mtimes that do not mention, or use, summer time, >

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-29 13:27, John Hasler wrote: Tzafrir Cohen writes: So generally there's no need to change a timezone to make the DST take effect. Just set the proper time zone in advance. DST taking effect automatically is exactly what Paul is objecting to. He wants no DST at all. AndyC has provi

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-29 14:05, Paul E Condon wrote: On 2009-03-29_13:06:18, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-03-29 11:49, Paul E Condon wrote: [snip] A few weeks ago, my Lenny system switched over from displaying time in MST (Mountain Standard Time) to MDT (Mountain Daylight Time). It did this, I believe, beca

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-29 Thread Paul E Condon
savings" or "summer time". > > > > > Just pick an appropriate one or create your own. > > > > > > > > > > > What I want is to stay the same time (without winter shift) whole > > > > > > year, yet be able synchrinize my

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-29 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-03-29_13:06:18, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2009-03-29 11:49, Paul E Condon wrote: > [snip] >> >> A few weeks ago, my Lenny system switched over from displaying time in MST >> (Mountain Standard Time) to MDT (Mountain Daylight Time). It did this, I >> believe, because the switch-over is mandate

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-29 Thread John Hasler
Tzafrir Cohen writes: > So generally there's no need to change a timezone to make the DST take > effect. Just set the proper time zone in advance. DST taking effect automatically is exactly what Paul is objecting to. He wants no DST at all. AndyC has provided a solution. -- John Hasler -- To

Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

2009-03-29 Thread John Hasler
AndyC writes: > Run dpkg-reconfigure -plow tzdata > Scroll down to "None of the above" - and choose GMT or the appropriate > offset. This is much better than my suggestion of choosing a country with the appropriate offset. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.d

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