On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 03:49:50PM -0400, Andrew Whitlock wrote:
> > > A typical newbie won't start with Debian
> >
> >While that is probably true, I don't think that should be the basis for
> > Debian's mode of operation. Debian needs new users and it needs to be
> > designed to appeal to new
servicom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Of course, when talking about newbies - a lot will probably be coming from
>window$ so can't really survive unless they have a fancy graphical
>installer/package manager (like gnorpm).
Hmm, gnome-apt? :) Usable, though it still needs a lot of improvement
from w
Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Who or what is "GR"?
GR stands for General Resolution, ie. the process Debian goes through
before making a vote on something.
Who or what is "GR"?
Thanks,
Daniel
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Eric Hagglund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>But it does cost money to put the non-free stuff on servers
Really, I don't think that's the issue. "Resources" have been mentioned,
but I think the idea is more of developers' time [1]; non-free is about
one-tenth the size of main, and changes relatively
> I don't know about you, but I never got a non-free cd with my official
> Debian cd's. Non-free has never been a part of official Debian releases
> AFAIK.
>
The problem friends lies in the fact that if support is withdrawn from the
developers, MANY users will be left without any idea about what t
"eric a . Farris" wrote:
>
> i think that'll be the kicker. those of use with (slow|no) connection
> at home will pay a price, either through long download times, or having
> to find/burn our own non-free CD. i would hope that, if non-free (and i
> assume contrib must follow) is pulled that it wou
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 05:48:29PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> (i.e., Netscape). The idea is that CD vendors can go through the licenses
> and decide for themselves what to include. So far as I know none have done
> so.
Steve McIntyre puts some extra stuff on his CDs - the slink set I got
from
>
> A typical newbie won't start with Debian
An important factor is the question of which package management system is
the best. In my experience, Debian's is the best when used with dselect/apt,
etc. All the deps are sorted out and I think this could be considered a real
boon for a newbie.
Of c
Nathan Norman writes:
> Who makes a non-free CD now? That's the whole point of non-free; the
> bits in there have license or patent issues that prevent distribution via
> commercial media like CDs.
That is only one of the reasons for putting stuff in non-free. Others are
that modifications are f
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 04:08:59PM -0400, eric a . Farris wrote:
> i think that'll be the kicker. those of use with (slow|no) connection
> at home will pay a price, either through long download times, or having
> to find/burn our own non-free CD. i would hope that, if non-free (and i
> assume contr
I wish I could get more information before throwing in
my two cents, but here goes:
I tend to agree with most of the comments here. I like
working with Debian and think that the package
managmenent tool is the best of the distributions that
I've worked with. I also like the fact that as things
now
On Jun 08 2000, eric a . Farris wrote:
> but, i have been playing around a bit with the new Mandrake 7.1, and
> it sure is sweet...
I think that I have a question: is there any standard or
recommended way to upgrade an RPM-based system in way more or
less similar to Debian'
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 03:49:50PM -0400, Andrew Whitlock wrote:
> I'm a newbie, I started with Debian ^_^
greetings from another once-newbie that also started with Debian (four
years ago).
> As a newbie to Debian and proud owner of a mere 56Kbps connection, I'd have
> to say I much prefer stuff
> > A typical newbie won't start with Debian
>
>While that is probably true, I don't think that should be the basis for
> Debian's mode of operation. Debian needs new users and it needs to be
> designed to appeal to new users while still maintaining the qualities that
> separate it from the ot
ebian need a "x-based newbies" set of defaults?
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Subject: Re: My quite ordinary comment about Re: GR to
> A typical newbie won't start with Debian
While that is probably true, I don't think that should be the basis for
Debian's mode of operation. Debian needs new users and it needs to be
designed to appeal to new users while still maintaining the qualities that
separate it from the other GNU/Lin
As foreword:
please note that I can't figure the consequences that it can give
stopping
to provide bug track facilities.
>then Debian will no longer provide the
>storage, bandwidth, and bug tracking facilities for non-free packages,
>including acroread, blender, netscape, jdk, po
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