Re: Using gnuserv (Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

> "Carel" == Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Carel> And to really speed up things, you could even use the -vanilla flag Carel> next to -nw to tell xemacs to forget about all those nifty packages Carel> that take all this time to load. Better to let it load it all up..

Re: Using gnuserv (Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

> "jsja" == john s jacobs anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Peter" == Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jsja> Oh, no, I agree -- that's why I tend toward vi in those jsja> situations. However, over the weekend I've been playing with jsja> gnuserv/gnuclient in

Re: Using gnuserv (Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 11:20:04PM -0400, Chris Gray wrote: > > pidof xemacs && gnuclient -q $1 || xemacs -nw $1 This will only work if you are the one and only user ever to use xemacs. So you better use (analog to what was shown on the list a couple of days ago): $ fuser -sn tcp $((UID+21490

Re: Using gnuserv (Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

> "Chris" == Chris Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Chris> People always get lots of responses from queries like this, Chris> but this seems like the obvious way to do it: Chris> pidof xemacs && gnuclient -q $1 || xemacs -nw $1 Yep, that works. In the hopes of saving a newbie or two so

Re: Using gnuserv (Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 10:58:08PM -0400, john s jacobs anderson wrote: > Okay, that could work -- but I'm too forgetful to remember if there's > already an XEmacs process running -- anybody have a shell script that > will execute the following pseudocode? > > if there's an XEmacs process

Re: Using gnuserv (Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

> "Peter" == Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Peter> Here's why I use gnuserv all the time. Say I in a shell in a Peter> directory called Peter> /deb/potato/home/rhogee/deb/gri/CVS/gri/doc/cookbook and I Peter> want to edit a file in Emacs. I could go in Emacs and type

Using gnuserv (Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

Here's why I use gnuserv all the time. Say I in a shell in a directory called /deb/potato/home/rhogee/deb/gri/CVS/gri/doc/cookbook and I want to edit a file in Emacs. I could go in Emacs and type C-x C-f and then type in (or cut/paste) the whole path. That's arduous. Instead, if I want to edi

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

> "Peter" == Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Peter> Felix Natter wrote: >> john s jacobs anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > Oh, I'm with you -- I'll often use vi for small edits, even if >> > I have XEmacs open on another desktop, just because doing the >> >

xg - Use `gnuclient' for quick edits. (Was: Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

> "Peter" == Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Peter> Felix Natter wrote: >> john s jacobs anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > Oh, I'm with you -- I'll often use vi for small edits, even if I have >> > XEmacs open on another desktop, just because doin

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

Felix Natter wrote: > john s jacobs anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Oh, I'm with you -- I'll often use vi for small edits, even if I have > > XEmacs open on another desktop, just because doing the edit 'in-line' > > in an xterm fits my work-flow better. Again, it's all about choosing

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

john s jacobs anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Oh, I'm with you -- I'll often use vi for small edits, even if I have > XEmacs open on another desktop, just because doing the edit 'in-line' > in an xterm fits my work-flow better. Again, it's all about choosing > the right tool for the job. y

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Markevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jonathan> I think the best comment over the emacs thing was; someone Jonathan> said "it's not an editor, it's a virtual machine" Now that Jonathan> makes great sense! Now someone needs to come up with Jonathan> something as clever

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 11:36:57PM +0200, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote: > Pat Mahoney wrote: > > > > > So I offered her to install GNU/Linux on her machine and set it up for > > > every tasks she wants to do. > > > > Can I ask why you want her to run GNU/Linux? (I mean, not that I don't want > > her ru

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

Jonathan Markevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > I think the best comment over the emacs thing was; someone said "it's not an > editor, it's a virtual machine" Now that makes great sense! Now someone > needs to come up with something as clever to explain vi... :) It's just an editor?

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

On Fri, May 12, 2000 at 08:44:35AM +0700, Oki DZ wrote: > > I'm not against thinking, don't get me wrong. I actually *program* for > > fun. > > I just like to focus my mental energies. i.e. why mount; cp; umount when I > > can mcopy? Why type: > > > > mv ~/Mail/Debian ~/Mail/Debian-`date +%Y%

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

> "Oki" == Oki DZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Oki> On 5 May 2000, john s jacobs anderson wrote: >> The point is, emacsen are designed to be *modular*. If you don't >> want to load those things, then don't load them Oki> I'd like to have rmail "module" to be able to use an smtp and

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

On Thu, 4 May 2000, James Ravan wrote: > Based on my experience with Debian Linux to date, I also take a simplistic > view. Windows has worked with all the hardware changes I have made to my > machine since I bought it this past January. Linux can be simple too... try to move a harddisk betwe

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

On Thu, 4 May 2000, Jonathan Markevich wrote: > An OS to make you think? Who says that's its job? Well, maybe it's not its job, but I think Linux makes you think or makes you (force you) to do things in thinking-mode. Some people like to do that and some don't. Of course, new distros come wi

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

On 5 May 2000, john s jacobs anderson wrote: > Agreed. How ever, as with several of the other posters, you've > apparently felt the need not just to opine that (X)Emacs isn't > newbie-friendly[1], but to make several other statements that indicate > that you haven't actually used any emacsen for

Re: Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

> "Steve" == Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> Then why keep bringing it up? I just find it amusing Steve> that the selling point of a unix-like system is that it is Steve> modular and flexible so the first thing most people point Steve> to is a Microsoft-esque

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

Pat Mahoney wrote: > > > So I offered her to install GNU/Linux on her machine and set it up for > > every tasks she wants to do. > > Can I ask why you want her to run GNU/Linux? (I mean, not that I don't want > her running it...) Well to quote you: I'd rather see everyone running free software.

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software [further OT]

James Ravan wrote: > > At 12:31 PM 5/4/00 +0800, Corey Popelier wrote: > >I take an extremely simplistic view. I'd use Windows more if it didn't > >crash 20 times a day. That's why I use Linux. Simple. > > Based on my experience with Debian Linux to date, I also take a simplistic > view. Windows

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Markevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jonathan> Let me begin by saying I don't plan to prolong this thread Jonathan> after saying my piece. Insert smilie here. me too Jonathan> Personally, I agree. The issue brought up was not one of Jonathan> "is Emacs p

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software: > >>>>> "Richard" == Richard Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Richard> Win hasn't required an autoexec.bat since '95. -- My > Richard>

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

At 12:31 PM 5/4/00 +0800, Corey Popelier wrote: I take an extremely simplistic view. I'd use Windows more if it didn't crash 20 times a day. That's why I use Linux. Simple. Based on my experience with Debian Linux to date, I also take a simplistic view. Windows has worked with all the hardware

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 02:13:19PM +0100, Phillip Deackes wrote: Let me begin by saying I don't plan to prolong this thread after saying my piece. Insert smilie here. I don't like the reaction from most sides about this. It bodes ill for Linux -- for free software users in general. Let's start

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

> "Richard" == Richard Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Richard> Win hasn't required an autoexec.bat since '95. -- My Richard> other computer's running Debian. {www.debian.org} I think you need it in order to setup the environment (compilers seem to require this) and/or load doske

Re: Mail/news software

On Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:05:38PM +0200, Kovacs Istvan wrote: > The ideal software would be able to handle both mail and news in an > integrated manner, place incoming and outgoing messages into folders > > YARN, when used in combination with a SOUP package handler, is much > like that (except f

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

On Thu, 04 May 2000, Brian May wrote: > For me, the problem with Windows is you have to think when thinking > should not be required. Take for instance, autoexec.bat. > > I know a Windows computer, that whenever it starts, it flashes up > with the message "Bad command or filename" for a few second

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > > "Pat" == Pat Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Pat> For me, Linux makes me think. For others, windows may make > Pat> them think. For still others, something else (not computer > Pat> related) may make them think. If linux makes you think

Re: Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

Hello all there, On Wed, 3 May 2000, Steve Lamb wrote: > For me it isn't a GUI/CLI mindset it is simply the ability to do what > needs to be done. Windows doesn't let me do that in most cases. The standard > 'nix utilities provide a lot of automation for mundane tasks. I've been following

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

I take an extremely simplistic view. I'd use Windows more if it didn't crash 20 times a day. That's why I use Linux. Simple. Cheers, Corey Popelier http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~pancreas Work Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 4 May 2000, Brian May wrote: > > "Pat" == Pat Mahoney <[EMAIL PROT

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

> "Pat" == Pat Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Pat> For me, Linux makes me think. For others, windows may make Pat> them think. For still others, something else (not computer Pat> related) may make them think. If linux makes you think, Pat> good. If windows makes you think,

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

Let me reply to myself here. This kinda came off wrong. On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:15:37PM -0500, Pat Mahoney wrote: > Linux[1] is much more difficult (to learn anyway) yet much more powerful than, > say, windows. The Windows philosophy is: "don't think, everything should be > easy." With linux, y

Re: Mail/news software

Richard Lyon wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Steve Lamb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, 30 April 2000 10:11 PM > > To: Kovacs Istvan > > Cc: Debian User List > > Subject: Re: Mail/news software > > > > > >I do

Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

Tuesday, May 02, 2000, 9:10:53 PM, Pat wrote: > important and I don't see Windows 9x or NT giving this, although I have zero > experience with NT. But I do know that to kill a runaway process in Win95 > you have to Ctrl-Alt-Delete, wait for the little window to pop up (forgot > what it's called), a

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 09:17:30PM -0700, Eric G . Miller wrote: > I feel compelled to respond... > > On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:15:37PM -0500, Pat Mahoney wrote: > > Linux[1] is much more difficult (to learn anyway) yet much more > > powerful than, say, windows. The Windows philosophy is: "don't

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

May I suggest that only people like myself, who have faced this dilemma in extremis, be allowed to add to this thread. Having used and valued both Vi and Emacs, I truly had my 'Faith' put to the test, when I had to chose between them while installing Debian on a box with only 814Mb HDD space. It

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 10:19:00AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Monday, May 01, 2000, 10:55:47 PM, Richard wrote: > > I've had several debates featuring this very subject. > > Some very long and drawn out and heated. > > Then why keep bringing it up? I just find it amusing that the selling > po

Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

Monday, May 01, 2000, 10:55:47 PM, Richard wrote: > I've had several debates featuring this very subject. > Some very long and drawn out and heated. Then why keep bringing it up? I just find it amusing that the selling point of a unix-like system is that it is modular and flexible so the firs

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

Pat Mahoney wrote: > Linux[1] is much more difficult (to learn anyway) yet much more powerful than, > say, windows. The Windows philosophy is: "don't think, everything should be > easy." With linux, you must think. The windows philosophy seems to rub off > onto the rest of one's life (or maybe it'

Re: Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

Hi, "Richard Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Graeme Mathieson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding Re: Re[2]: > Emacs > > > Has anybody ever tried to graft emacs directly on top of oskit? > > _Then_ you would have your operating system. :) > > It would be a great OS period. Perfect fo

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > Monday, May 01, 2000, 11:59:24 AM, Richard wrote: > > Emacs is far more useful than that... It's still the best > > mailer/newsreader/text based office program in existence. > That is highly debated, esp. for people who prefer not to have huge I've

Re: Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

Graeme Mathieson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding Re: Re[2]: Emacs > Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [ snipped ... ] > > Simply stated, anything which requires Emacs to run > > is instantly lower than something that requires Windows to run because at > > least it /IS/ an OS and not a

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

I feel compelled to respond... On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:15:37PM -0500, Pat Mahoney wrote: > Linux[1] is much more difficult (to learn anyway) yet much more > powerful than, say, windows. The Windows philosophy is: "don't think, > everything should be easy." With linux, you must think. The window

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

Linux[1] is much more difficult (to learn anyway) yet much more powerful than, say, windows. The Windows philosophy is: "don't think, everything should be easy." With linux, you must think. The windows philosophy seems to rub off onto the rest of one's life (or maybe it's the other way around). Som

RE: Mail/news software

> -Original Message- > From: Steve Lamb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, 30 April 2000 10:11 PM > To: Kovacs Istvan > Cc: Debian User List > Subject: Re: Mail/news software > > I'll now let people try to prove me wrong but > so far I have not seen

RE: Mail/news software

> -Original Message- > From: Phillip Deackes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, 30 April 2000 11:03 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Mail/news software > > I disagree and am continually posting info about an exce

RE: Mail/news software

> -Original Message- > From: Phillip Deackes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, 30 April 2000 11:13 PM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Mail/news software > > > I am very sorry if I offend, but I find emacs/xemacs about the most > off-put

Re: Mail/news software

> "Christophe" == Christophe TROESTLER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Christophe> On Sat, 29 Apr 2000, "Kovacs Istvan" Christophe> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What mail and news software do you recommend? The ideal >> software would be able to handle both mail and news in an

Re: Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

Hi, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [ snipped ... ] > Simply stated, anything which requires Emacs to run > is instantly lower than something that requires Windows to run because at > least it /IS/ an OS and not an editor that is a wannabe script interpreter > and OS rolled into one. Has

Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

Monday, May 01, 2000, 11:59:24 AM, Richard wrote: > Emacs is far more useful than that... It's still the best > mailer/newsreader/text based office program in existence. That is highly debated, esp. for people who prefer not to have huge bloated pigs in memory, don't want to learn a speech i

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

"Kovacs Istvan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (snip) > Emacs, vi, development tools are fine for developers (I also decided to > learn Emacs and vi -- not at the wizard level, but to be able to use > them when needed), and it's reasonable not to expect the masses to use > them, but it's not the same c

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:35:31 -0400, Rob Lilley wrote: >Different Strokes for different folks. > >Emacs - "Show a newbie that and you will see the dust as he turns >and runs back to the Windows camp" . Emacs and Linux/Unix >for that matter is not for everybody - its there because of and >for the

Re: Mail/news software

On 30-Apr-00 Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, Phillip Deackes wrote: > >> I disagree and am continually posting info about an excellent email app >> called Ishmail. It was a commercial offerring but the source code has >> now been released. It is available on www.ishmail.com >> > >

Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

aste right. Maybe its just paranoia, but I'm sure that I've seen that combination before." -- from "The Cuckoo's Egg" -Original Message- From: Johann Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 11:30 AM Subject:

Re: Mail/news software

On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 02:13:19PM +0100, Phillip Deackes wrote: > I am very sorry if I offend, but I find emacs/xemacs about the most > off-putting thing in Linux. Show a newbie that and you will see the dust > as he turns and runs back to the Windows camp. That is not always the case. I tried o

Re: Mail/news software

On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, Phillip Deackes wrote: > I disagree and am continually posting info about an excellent email app > called Ishmail. It was a commercial offerring but the source code has > now been released. It is available on www.ishmail.com > I looked at this a while back (and debianized it

Re: Mail/news software

Christophe TROESTLER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mew has all that (plus much more, particularly > important for me is the ablility to manage several identities with > associated headers, signature,...). I just went to the homepage and was welcomed with: "In short, Mew i

Re: Mail/news software

Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Given your description and the fact that you sent with PMMail/2 I > can say, > with authority, nothing. There is not a thing out there that will > suit what > you describe nor what you're currently using, at least when it comes > to mail. > News apps

Re: Mail/news software

On Sat, 29 Apr 2000, "Kovacs Istvan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What mail and news software do you recommend? The ideal software > would be able to handle both mail and news in an integrated manner, > place incoming and outgoing messages into folders automatically > using header i

Re: Mail/news software

On Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:05:38PM +0200, Kovacs Istvan wrote: > What mail and news software do you recommend? Wel. > The ideal software would be able to handle both mail and news in an > integrated manner, place incoming and outgoing messages into folders > automatically using header

Re: Mail/news software

I've looked at most of what is available and the closest thing to Yarn is the Tin news reader, they're almost identical. For email the best thing I've found is Mutt. Mutt can be configured with what I call 'tin style cursor keys' so I can go back and forth between readers without getting confused

Re: Mail/news software

Kofa writes: > What mail and news software do you recommend? Gnus has all the features you list. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin

Mail/news software

Hello! What mail and news software do you recommend? The ideal software would be able to handle both mail and news in an integrated manner, place incoming and outgoing messages into folders automatically using header info, integrate with PGP/GPG, handle UU/MIME attachments, thread messages, fetch