Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250701)

2025-07-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific for

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

2025-06-29 Thread Nicolas George
to...@tuxteam.de (HE12025-06-28): > MUA "bounce" is not exactly the same (the user has a chance to > specify *which* address to send the bounce to, for one), but > technically so close (as much of the headers as possible remains > unchanged), that calling it a bounce does make sense. This is not a

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

2025-06-28 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jun 28, 2025 at 11:52:33AM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > Am Sa, Jun 28, 2025 at 10:11:09 +0900 schrieb John Crawley: > > > It is not the accepted meaning of the term. > > > https://github.com/mjg59/jargon/blob/master/bounce > > Mutt seems to have its own set of definitions which mutt users

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

2025-06-28 Thread Stephan Seitz
Am Sa, Jun 28, 2025 at 10:11:09 +0900 schrieb John Crawley: It is not the accepted meaning of the term. https://github.com/mjg59/jargon/blob/master/bounce Mutt seems to have its own set of definitions which mutt users will need to grasp. I can assure you that mutt’s meaning of bounce is older

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread John Crawley
On 27/06/2025 23:46, Greg wrote: On 2025-06-27, Greg Wooledge wrote: Bounce can and does mean a rejection of the email by the *server*, so your proposal seems nonsensical or confusing, as the email has already been delivered to its recipients. I am not proposing anything. I am *explaining*.

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread John Crawley
On 27/06/2025 17:44, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 05:04:14PM +0900, John Crawley wrote: BTW why does your message here have my email address as To:, and CC: to the list, even though I had no Reply-to: header in the message you are replying to? Because I replied using

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

2025-06-27 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 16:43:00 +0200 Nicolas George wrote: > Do people our age need explaining that words can have multiple > meanings, especially technical words used in different fields? Hear, hear. Especially after this thread has shown exactly that to a fault. -- Does anybody read signatures

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 10:47 AM Greg wrote: > > On 2025-06-27, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> > >> Bounce can and does mean a rejection of the email by the *server*, so > >> your proposal seems nonsensical or confusing, as the email has > >> already been delivered to its recipients. > > > > I am not

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread Nicolas George
Greg (HE12025-06-27): > It is not the accepted meaning of the term. Did you not already tell that? Was not Greg Wooledge precisely replying to that? -- Nicolas George

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread Greg
On 2025-06-27, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> >> Bounce can and does mean a rejection of the email by the *server*, so >> your proposal seems nonsensical or confusing, as the email has >> already been delivered to its recipients. > > I am not proposing anything. I am *explaining*. > > This is the termi

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

2025-06-27 Thread Nicolas George
Greg (HE12025-06-27): > What is a Bounce Email? Definition: A bounce email is an email that has > not been delivered to its recipient. It is sent back to the sender with > an error message. > > https://www.altospam.com/en/glossary/bounce/ Do people our age need explaining that not everything

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
reply to all recipients preserving To/Cc L reply to mailing list address fforward message b bounce (remail) message Esc k mail a PGP public key to someone Bouncing a message sends the message as-is to the recipient y

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

2025-06-27 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 02:19:22PM -, Greg wrote: > What is a Bounce Email? Definition: A bounce email is an email that has > not been delivered to its recipient. It is sent back to the sender with > an error message. > > https://www.altospam.com/en/glossary/bounce/ The word "bounce" in

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

2025-06-27 Thread Greg
On 2025-06-27, Nicolas George wrote: > Greg (HE12025-06-27): >> Bounce can and does mean a rejection of the email by the *server* > > No, that is not accurate. Server rejecting a mail and server bouncing a > mail are different mechanism. What is a Bounce Email? Definition: A bounce email is an

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

2025-06-27 Thread Nicolas George
Greg (HE12025-06-27): > Bounce can and does mean a rejection of the email by the *server* No, that is not accurate. Server rejecting a mail and server bouncing a mail are different mechanism. The server rejects the mail by returning an error code at SMTP level. No bounce is generated. If the ser

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread Greg
On 2025-06-27, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > To be clear, what we're talking about here is what mutt does when you > press the "b" key. It queues up a message for delivery, where the Bounce can and does mean a rejection of the email by the *server*, so your proposal seems nonsensical or confusing, as

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread tomas
> original sender? I don't know. It's most probably in the RFC. > BTW why does your message here have my email address as To:, and CC: to the > list, even though I had no Reply-to: header in the message you are replying > to? Because I replied using "group reply"

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread John Crawley
rst accepted by the SMTP "server"? (What is the correct name for that?) Is a message with Resent-* fields treated as being from the user or from the original sender? BTW why does your message here have my email address as To:, and CC: to the list, even though I had no Reply-to: header in the message you are replying to? -- John

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 10:58:54AM +0900, John Crawley wrote: [...] > I think "bouncing" is something that should really be done on a server, not > by a user email agent, even a "good" one. Why do you think so? At least I gave a reason why bouncing from the MUA makes sense, and another for why

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-26 Thread Thomas Dineen
So when do you plan to stop replying??? On 6/26/2025 6:58 PM, John Crawley wrote: On 26/06/2025 01:00, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 03:18:05PM -, Greg wrote: On 2025-06-24, Greg Wooledge wrote: This like sounds like good and important advice, but how do you "bounce

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-26 Thread Jeffrey Walton
er as an Alpine user, BTW. > > I think "bouncing" is something that should really be done on a server, not > by a user email agent, even a "good" one. I think if you ask the hardcore email folks who hang out on the [emailcore] or [mailmaint] lists at the IETF, they wou

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-26 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 11:29:23PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 10:58:54 +0900, John Crawley wrote: > > The Debian Wiki has these suggestions for how to deal with spam: > > https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam#nominate > > The fourth option there says:

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 10:58:54 +0900, John Crawley wrote: > The Debian Wiki has these suggestions for how to deal with spam: > https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam#nominate The fourth option there says: * Use your mail client's bounce/resend/redirect functionality to send

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-26 Thread John Crawley
On 26/06/2025 01:00, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 03:18:05PM -, Greg wrote: On 2025-06-24, Greg Wooledge wrote: This like sounds like good and important advice, but how do you "bounce the original message"? By using the "bounce" feature of your MUA. Only good ones h

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-25 Thread Greg
On 2025-06-24, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> This like sounds like good and important advice, but how do you "bounce the >> original message"? > > By using the "bounce" feature of your MUA. Only good ones have it. > >> Does that mean forward the message to the report-listspam? > > No. Forwarding an

Spam on this list, top-posting and things.

2025-06-25 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 01:24:59PM +0200, Frank Weißer wrote: > Wherever you think it's neccessary; > but, first of all: You were informed by tomas, not to quote the original > posting! Why do you repeat doing so? I think because people don't even realise what their MUAs do. If you have been top-p

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-25 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 03:18:05PM -, Greg wrote: > On 2025-06-24, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > >> This like sounds like good and important advice, but how do you "bounce the > >> original message"? > > > > By using the "bounce" feature of your MUA. Only good ones have it. > > > >> Does that me

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-24 Thread tomas
a favour, you bounce the original message > > > > to to help the list spam team train > > > > their filters (I did). > > > > > This like sounds like good and important advice, but how do you "bounce > > the > > > original message"? [..

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-24 Thread Dan Hitt
On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 4:50 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 16:33:38 -0700, Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 3:09 AM wrote: > > > if you want to do everyone a favour, you bounce the original message > > > to to help the list spam team t

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 16:33:38 -0700, Dan Hitt wrote: > On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 3:09 AM wrote: > > if you want to do everyone a favour, you bounce the original message > > to to help the list spam team train > > their filters (I did). > This like sounds like good and i

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-24 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 04:33:38PM -0700, Dan Hitt wrote: > Hi Tomás, > > This like sounds like good and important advice, but how do you "bounce the > original message"? This is something that your MUA (Mail reader) should do. It will be different for every MUA. I use mutt - that has got a 'bo

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-24 Thread Dan Hitt
On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 3:09 AM wrote: > > > Please, don't do that. You amplify the spam and incommodate the ~3k > subscribers of this list. Then you top-post and include the full spam > body, to make extra sure everybody has seen it. > > Not good. > > if

Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-24 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 09:45:43AM +0200, 🦓 wrote: > Schick einfach das Geld rüber und verpiss Dich aus geldbefreiten > Kommunistinnenkommunen! Bravo. That must have felt... great for you. Please, don't do that. You amplify the spam and incommodate the ~3k subscribers of this list. T

Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250404)

2025-05-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
an hour early by mistake, so the FAQ appears in April's monthly mails on the web-interface. I can repost it again here if really necessary. > This would hopefully support a dialogue between yourself and regulars on the > list; I have noticed that questions and replies to the FAQ posting in pr

Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250404)

2025-05-01 Thread Jonathan Dowland
ki. This would hopefully support a dialogue between yourself and regulars on the list; I have noticed that questions and replies to the FAQ posting in prior months have gone unanswered. Best wishes, -- Please do not CC me for listmail. 👱🏻 Jonathan Dowland ✎j...@debian.org 🔗

Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250404)

2025-04-30 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Codes of Conduct * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of

Re: Do you have a list of people who work on home computers?

2025-04-19 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
ainly running Raspberry Pi OS. What does /etc/os-release or /etc/debian_version show? You're very unlikely to get commercial support from a Debian consultant for something extremely niche: the folk on this list can possibly help further "If I were you, I wouldn't start from here" -

Re: Do you have a list of people who work on home computers?

2025-04-19 Thread tomas
ree software, LUG, hackerspace or similar. Just for inspiration, here's a worldwide list of hackerspaces: https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/List_of_ALL_Hacker_Spaces (well, nearly all ;-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Do you have a list of people who work on home computers?

2025-04-19 Thread Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
cific questions here, or on the Box mailing list (or on the KVM or QEMU lists, if applicable.) Everyone on these lists is a volunteer, mostly users with some devs. If you want to pay for support with Debian, there is a list of consultants at https://www.debian.org/consultants/ -dsr-

Do you have a list of people who work on home computers?

2025-04-19 Thread Matt Timpson
erry Pi. I've tried paying for computer help, but no one I spoke to > > worked with Linux. > > > > You can ask specific questions here, or on the Box mailing list > (or on the KVM or QEMU lists, if applicable.) Everyone on these > lists is a volunteer, mostly users with

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250404)

2025-04-06 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 10:54:48 -0700 Will Mengarini wrote: > >> * If you are replying to a post, please … cut out extra text that > >> is not relevant to your point. > >> While you are commenting on Mr. Cater's FAQ, it would be nice to pay attention to it. -- Does anybody read signatures any more

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250404)

2025-04-06 Thread Will Mengarini
* Jeffrey Walton [25-04/05=Sat 00:52 -0400]: > Still missing a topic or discussion of "SOLVED" in the subject. Or a diff. > On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 8:47 PM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> >> Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, >&g

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250404)

2025-04-05 Thread Greg
On 2025-04-05, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > Still missing a topic or discussion of "SOLVED" in the subject. > We're all waiting for Gene to put "SOLVED" on his never-ending network of threads. But what would it would mean or communicate to future anthropologists remains yet another puzzle left to the

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250404)

2025-04-04 Thread Jeffrey Walton
Still missing a topic or discussion of "SOLVED" in the subject. On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 8:47 PM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, > and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. > > Codes of Conduct >

Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250404)

2025-04-04 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Codes of Conduct * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of

Beware of Pocket's off-list goading (Was Re: DHCP and static addresses)

2025-04-04 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Apr 04, 2025 at 09:48:32AM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: > Congrats? What point are you trying to make? Pocket also contacted me. As neither of those emails reached the list I assume they have been banned and are trying to goad people in to group-reply back onto the list for t

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-04-01 Thread Jeffrey Walton
owned upon or unwanted? > > Good evening Jeffrey, > > No, I don't think you can. > > > > Off-topic arguments also have a habit of derailing useful discussion. > > > > > > Editing and answering mailing list posts > > > =

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-04-01 Thread Jeffrey Walton
I see the changing of title or subject to add things like "SOLVED" is not included in the FAQ. Can we infer it is frowned upon or unwanted? On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 6:12 PM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, >

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-04-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
n. > > Off-topic arguments also have a habit of derailing useful discussion. > > > > Editing and answering mailing list posts > > > > > > * It is helpful to write meaningful subject lines. If you change subject > >

Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-04-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Codes of Conduct * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of

Re: Mailing list in nomail

2025-03-17 Thread Byunghee HWANG
Hellow Greg and there, > Me too. Works perfectly in slrn (except for the occasional encrypted > article that this software can't decrypt into decipherable). Oh, that's really good news^^^ Thank you for introducing slrn. Sincerely, Gnus fan Byunghee

Re: Mailing list in nomail

2025-03-16 Thread Byunghee HWANG
(re-send email due to some spam rule) Hellow Eric and there, Eric S Fraga writes: > Response below/inline for email Leandro Noferini wrote: >> (original email sent 4 Mar 2025 at 12:20) >> >> Ciao a tutt*, >> >> is possible to set this mailling list in &quo

Re: Mailing list in nomail

2025-03-16 Thread Greg
On 2025-03-16, Byunghee HWANG wrote: >> >> Depending on what tools you use to read your emails, if they support >> NNTP (newsgroups), you can access this "mailing list" via the >> gmane.linux.debian.user newsgroup. This is how I access the list. > > Also

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-03-05 Thread Anssi Saari
David writes: > Given that this infrastructure exists and is being used by most people > involved with producing Debian, it surprises me to hear talk of posting > diffs to the mailing list, which requires too much effort by both writers > and readers IMHO. Too much effort? I don&

Re: Mailing list in nomail

2025-03-04 Thread Yassine Chaouche
Le 3/4/25 à 16:46, Yassine Chaouche a écrit : I'd even extrapolate to other websites like the stackoverflow network, where most people are here to get answers, not to give answers. From my point of view and personal experience IRC is a little different. Maybe because it's in realtime, sometimes

Re: Mailing list in nomail

2025-03-04 Thread Yassine Chaouche
Le 3/4/25 à 16:06, Nicolas George a écrit : Yassine Chaouche (HE12025-03-04): I see this as a "forum" mode It is not called “forum mode”, it is called “egoistic mode”, because the poster expects other people will read their messages and provide help but is not willing to do the same for others

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-03-04 Thread David
on posting the FAQ to > bother with doing this at all - which is *another* part of the reason why > I haven't followed up to suggest the up-front "What's New" summary list, > since that would have the same problem to a different degree.) I suggested either salsa.debian.or

Re: Mailing list in nomail

2025-03-04 Thread tomas
commend the Debian list maintainers for doing the right thing. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Mailing list in nomail

2025-03-04 Thread Nicolas George
Yassine Chaouche (HE12025-03-04): > I see this as a "forum" mode It is not called “forum mode”, it is called “egoistic mode”, because the poster expects other people will read their messages and provide help but is not willing to do the same for others in return. Regards, -- Nicolas George

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-03-04 Thread Lee
On Tue, Mar 4, 2025 at 3:24 AM Anssi Saari wrote: > > David writes: > > > It would assist everyone to follow changes to this "Monthly FAQ" > > document if it can be hosted somewhere that provides diffs, such > > as salsa.debian.org, or wiki.debian.org. > > I don't see a problem with just posting th

Re: Mailing list in nomail

2025-03-04 Thread Yassine Chaouche
Le 3/4/25 à 14:49, Eric S Fraga a écrit : What are you trying to achieve? I just do not understand what it means to be subscribed but not want to see any messages. Seems like a contradiction? Not necessarily, no. I see this as a "forum" mode where you only receive e-mail for discussions in wh

Re: Mailing list in nomail

2025-03-04 Thread Leandro Noferini
is, so I don't see a reason for such a > feature to be useful here. I was not aware that this list admits posting from non-subscribed address, I will try! Thanks! -- Ciao leandro Ho tutto chiaro in testa ma non riesco a dirlo signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Mailing list in nomail

2025-03-04 Thread The Wanderer
On 2025-03-04 at 08:49, Eric S Fraga wrote: > Response below/inline for email Leandro Noferini wrote: > >> (original email sent 4 Mar 2025 at 12:20) >> >> Ciao a tutt*, >> >> is possible to set this mailling list in "nomail" mode to remain >

Re: Mailing list in nomail

2025-03-04 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, Mar 04, 2025 at 01:49:31PM +, Eric S Fraga wrote: > Response below/inline for email Leandro Noferini wrote: > > (original email sent 4 Mar 2025 at 12:20) > > is possible to set this mailling list in "nomail" mode to remain > > subscribed but

Re: Mailing list in nomail

2025-03-04 Thread Eric S Fraga
Response below/inline for email Leandro Noferini wrote: > (original email sent 4 Mar 2025 at 12:20) > > Ciao a tutt*, > > is possible to set this mailling list in "nomail" mode to remain > subscribed but to not receive anymore messages? What are you trying to achiev

Re: Mailing list in nomail

2025-03-04 Thread tomas
On Tue, Mar 04, 2025 at 12:20:03PM +0100, Leandro Noferini wrote: > Ciao a tutt*, > > is possible to set this mailling list in "nomail" mode to remain > subscribed but to not receive anymore messages? Asking for help to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org just lists &

Mailing list in nomail

2025-03-04 Thread Leandro Noferini
Ciao a tutt*, is possible to set this mailling list in "nomail" mode to remain subscribed but to not receive anymore messages? -- Ciao leandro Ho tutto chiaro in testa ma non riesco a dirlo signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-03-04 Thread The Wanderer
ject line. (Though I don't actively object to having it in the Subject line, either.) * I would find it helpful to also have, not *diffs*, but *a brief, changelog-style list of What's New*, at the top of the FAQ for any edition in which it's changed from the previous edition. (I

Re: Mailing list in nomail

2025-03-04 Thread Yassine Chaouche
Le 3/4/25 à 12:20, Leandro Noferini a écrit : Ciao a tutt*, is possible to set this mailling list in "nomail" mode to remain subscribed but to not receive anymore messages? Just create a mail filter that drops mail coming from debian-user@lists.debian.org, but remember to remove

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-03-04 Thread Anssi Saari
David writes: > It would assist everyone to follow changes to this "Monthly FAQ" > document if it can be hosted somewhere that provides diffs, such > as salsa.debian.org, or wiki.debian.org. I don't see a problem with just posting the diffs. Preferably in unified format.

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-03-03 Thread David
On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 at 16:57, Will Mengarini wrote: > This kind of information > > popos/pts/4 bash ~ 08:54 0$diff -b debfaq--2025-0{2,3}-01 > 88c88,90 > < world. Off-topic arguments also have a habit of derailing useful > discussion. > --- > > world. > > > >

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-03-03 Thread Will Mengarini
l discussion. 153a156 > popos/pts/4 bash ~ 08:55 1$ would be very useful to readers who want to stay up-to-date. * Andrew M.A. Cater [25-03/01=Sat 18:01 +]: > Debian-user is a mailing list provided for [...]

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-03-01 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Sat, Mar 1, 2025, 9:12 PM Jeffrey Walton wrote: > You might want to add a bullet point addressing folks adding "SOLVED" > and similar to titles. Either allow it or forbid it. But write it down > so everyone knows what the policy is. > > I recommend the list forbid it

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-03-01 Thread Andy Smith
are advocating is that users of the most popular email interface in use on this list will potentially need to see a whole set of mails about something and then — possibly much further down in their mailbox — see one mail with "SOLVED" prepended to it, completely divorced from the thread it

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-03-01 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, Mar 02, 2025 at 12:18:36AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > There is something to be said for it if you have a long thread > where the topic or subject is initially imprecise - a hypothetical > example follows: > > "Can't configure network on Debian - please advise" might attract > twe

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-03-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
I had addressed it by suggesting that people change the subject appropriately and mark changes of topic. I'll add it next month. > I recommend the list forbid it. A mailing list is not a forum, like BB. > There is something to be said for it if you have a long thread where the topic or s

Re: Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-03-01 Thread Jeffrey Walton
You might want to add a bullet point addressing folks adding "SOLVED" and similar to titles. Either allow it or forbid it. But write it down so everyone knows what the policy is. I recommend the list forbid it. A mailing list is not a forum, like BB. Jeff On Sat, Mar 1, 2025 at 4:07

Monthly FAQ for the Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20250301)

2025-03-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Codes of Conduct * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of

Re: Sorry for spamming the list

2025-02-26 Thread Byunghee HWANG
"Russell S." writes: > Chris Green writes: > >> Jeffrey Walton wrote: >>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 1:55 AM wrote: >>> > >>> > On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 01:39:33AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >>> > >>> > [...] >>> > >>> > > That doesn't make sense. Usenet and NNTP is a different protocol than >>>

Re: Sorry for spamming the list

2025-02-07 Thread Russell S.
Chris Green writes: > Jeffrey Walton wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 1:55 AM wrote: >> > >> > On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 01:39:33AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >> > >> > [...] >> > >> > > That doesn't make sense. Usenet and NNTP is a different protocol than >> > > mailing lists and various email

Re: Sorry for spamming the list

2025-02-07 Thread songbird
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 02:44:56AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 1:55 AM wrote: >> > >> > On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 01:39:33AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >> > >> > [...] >> > >> > > That doesn't make sense. Usenet and NNTP is a different protocol

Re: Sorry for spamming the list

2025-02-07 Thread Chris Green
Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 1:55 AM wrote: > > > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 01:39:33AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > That doesn't make sense. Usenet and NNTP is a different protocol than > > > mailing lists and various email protocols. Why would you expect

Re: Sorry for spamming the list

2025-02-07 Thread tomas
On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 02:44:56AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 1:55 AM wrote: > > > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 01:39:33AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > That doesn't make sense. Usenet and NNTP is a different protocol than > > > mailing lists and vari

Re: Sorry for spamming the list

2025-02-07 Thread Anssi Saari
Jeffrey Walton writes: > I've never seen the Usenet equivalents documented anywhere. Do you > know what they are? Maybe something like comp.debian or > comp.linux.debian? As an example, on news.gmane.io this debian-user list is gmane.linux.debian.user. If there's mirroring t

Re: Sorry for spamming the list

2025-02-06 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 1:55 AM wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 01:39:33AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > [...] > > > That doesn't make sense. Usenet and NNTP is a different protocol than > > mailing lists and various email protocols. Why would you expect > > protocols to cross pollinate? > >

Re: Sorry for spamming the list

2025-02-06 Thread tomas
On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 01:39:33AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: [...] > That doesn't make sense. Usenet and NNTP is a different protocol than > mailing lists and various email protocols. Why would you expect > protocols to cross pollinate? Gateways. They live between protocols. In the concrete c

Re: Sorry for spamming the list

2025-02-06 Thread Jeffrey Walton
ped that they would just outright fail > >> until one finally went through and that would be it. > >> > >> So, again, I apologize for the spam. I don't know of another way to test > >> it. > > > > That's easy: there's a special list called deb

Re: Sorry for spamming the list

2025-02-06 Thread Russell S.
hat would be it. >> >> So, again, I apologize for the spam. I don't know of another way to test >> it. > > That's easy: there's a special list called debian-lists-test > with which to conduct experiments. > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-lists-tes

Re: Sorry for spamming the list

2025-02-06 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
gt; until one finally went through and that would be it. > > > > So, again, I apologize for the spam. I don't know of another way to test > > it. > > That's easy: there's a special list called debian-lists-test > with which to conduct experiments. >

Re: Sorry for spamming the list

2025-02-06 Thread Bret Busby
On 7/2/25 05:20, Russell Stinnett wrote: So, again, I apologize for the spam. I don't know of another way to test it. Stop it, or you will go blind... .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..

Re: Sorry for spamming the list

2025-02-06 Thread David Wright
I apologize for the spam. I don't know of another way to test > it. That's easy: there's a special list called debian-lists-test with which to conduct experiments. https://lists.debian.org/debian-lists-test/ Cheers, David.

Re: Sorry for spamming the list

2025-02-06 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
ybe that's lesson #1 - email is asynchronous and not necessarily instant. > So, again, I apologize for the spam. I don't know of another way to test > it. > https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ might be helpful. Welcome to the list, by the way :) All the very best, as ev

Sorry for spamming the list

2025-02-06 Thread Russell Stinnett
I didn't realize that the posts would be so delayed, or that they were going through at all. I hoped that they would just outright fail until one finally went through and that would be it. So, again, I apologize for the spam. I don't know of another way to test it. -- Thanks, Russell S.

Testing posting to the list

2025-02-06 Thread Russell S.
I'm trying to make it so that I can seemlessly post to the list from the group view in Gnus as if I was posting to the group. -- this is my clever sig.

Re: Testing posting to list from Gnus

2025-02-06 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
[Also copied off-list because it is uncertain that this user is actually reading what is being sent :( ] Hi, Whatever you're doing is definitely not working. You probably need to register with the gateway - or just mail the list in the normal way and use gnus to *read* the group afterwards.

Re: Testing posting to the list from Gnus

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Re: Testing posting to list from Gnus

2025-02-06 Thread Moderation Robot
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Re: List under surveillance? [WAS Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked]

2025-01-25 Thread Greg
On 2025-01-24, Bret Busby wrote: >> >> I suspect it's coincidental / benign or a joke, given that it's a >> Microsoft-ism >> here. >> >> (Or maybe that's what they want you to think ;-) ) > > "We live in interesting times, where the only thing to fear, is the > government" > >:-< > > "Just bec

Re: List under surveillance? [WAS Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked]

2025-01-25 Thread Bret Busby
On 25/1/25 11:34, Will Mengarini wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 06:12:30AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: In viewing the full header of the above message (to try to find which country or timezone, is the origin of the message sent to the mailing list, for an extraneous reason), I observed a weird

Re: List under surveillance? [WAS Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked]

2025-01-24 Thread tomas
joke, given that it's a > > Microsoft-ism > > > here. > > > > > > (Or maybe that's what they want you to think ;-) ) > > > > > > > Ah, yes. > > > > "We live in interesting times, where the only thing to fear, is the > > gov

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