On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:34:06 +0200 Aniruddha
wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Perry E. Metzger
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:46:29 +0200 Aniruddha
> > wrote:
> >> I have done some testing with Debian stable in Virtualbox and I
> >> have to say XFS works as advertised. I did power
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 15:09:08 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 2:04 PM:
> > unplugged machine. At boot, I dropped to fsck command line. At command
>
> Were you forced to the command line or did you manually select to go to the
> command line? It sounds like you chose
Op 28-07-10 21:34, Aniruddha schreef:
> Agreed, it was hardly a double-blind randomized trial :) On a more
> serious note: off course these tests don't prove anything. On the
> other hand I have heard so many time that XFS can't handle a single
> power failure without data corruption that I wanted
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:46:29 +0200 Aniruddha
> wrote:
>> I have done some testing with Debian stable in Virtualbox and I have
>> to say XFS works as advertised. I did power off the virtual machine
>> several times when working in Gnome /
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:46:29 +0200 Aniruddha
wrote:
> I have done some testing with Debian stable in Virtualbox and I have
> to say XFS works as advertised. I did power off the virtual machine
> several times when working in Gnome / copying files. And I did power
> off the virtual 5 times in a row
Paul E Condon put forth on 7/27/2010 8:53 PM:
> Your original post in this thread addressed a quite disfunctional
> attitude of OP, and IMHO, was correct but somewhat harshly worded.
> In truth, he simply cannot have everything he wants all at the
> same time. You should have left it at that, IMH
I have done some testing with Debian stable in Virtualbox and I have
to say XFS works as advertised. I did power off the virtual machine
several times when working in Gnome / copying files. And I did power
off the virtual 5 times in a row when booting. Nothing happened. Each
time the virtual machin
Dne, 28. 07. 2010 03:53:43 je Paul E Condon napisal(a):
Stan,
Have you ever heard of the term 'invincible ignorance'?
Also, you have asserted with some vigor upstream
Your original post ... IMHO, was correct but somewhat harshly worded.
Peace.
IMHO, Stan's deep, invaluable expertise is
On 20100727_134650, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:29 PM:
>
> > I don't even think Linus is using XFS too. Isn't he a technical person
>
> Linus uses them all. You should know that.
>
> > in terms of your definition? So what should we do in that case? Ask to
> >
Rob Owens put forth on 7/27/2010 4:36 PM:
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:39:18PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:19 PM:
>>
>>> About a year ago, in a similar rush to yours, I ported two of our
>>> PostgreSQL database servers to XFS. During testing period, I even
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:39:18PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:19 PM:
>
> > About a year ago, in a similar rush to yours, I ported two of our
> > PostgreSQL database servers to XFS. During testing period, I even
> > couldn't *recover* the / fs after the ve
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Aniruddha wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Stan Hoeppner
> wrote:
>> Aniruddha put forth on 7/27/2010 2:47 PM:
>>> Time for some testing, I will put Debian stable with XFS on my laptop and
>>> see how well it deals with power failures :)
>>
>> Thanks
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Aniruddha put forth on 7/27/2010 2:47 PM:
>> Time for some testing, I will put Debian stable with XFS on my laptop and
>> see how well it deals with power failures :)
>
> Thanks for picking up the torch/gauntlet/whatever. How do you laptop
Aniruddha put forth on 7/27/2010 2:47 PM:
> Time for some testing, I will put Debian stable with XFS on my laptop and
> see how well it deals with power failures :)
Thanks for picking up the torch/gauntlet/whatever. How do you laptop test
this issue? It's a laptop. Yank the battery? Yanking t
Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 2:04 PM:
> unplugged machine. At boot, I dropped to fsck command line. At command
Were you forced to the command line or did you manually select to go to the
command line? It sounds like you chose to, not forced to.
> prompt, I manually fiddled around with f
Time for some testing, I will put Debian stable with XFS on my laptop and
see how well it deals with power failures :)
Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:59 PM:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner writes:
>> I'd also like to add that anyone smart enough to be on this list is smart
>> enough to know you should have a UPS, regardless of what filesystem you use.
>> If you're not you shouldn't be here. If you d
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner writes:
> What write operations were you performing at the time you pulled the plug?
> Unless you were writing the superblock it'd be almost impossible to hose the
> filesystem to the point it couldn't mount. Were you doing a resize operation
> when you pulled t
Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:29 PM:
> I don't even think Linus is using XFS too. Isn't he a technical person
Linus uses them all. You should know that.
> in terms of your definition? So what should we do in that case? Ask to
> RMS?
kernel.org servers all run XFS as well.
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Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:19 PM:
> About a year ago, in a similar rush to yours, I ported two of our
> PostgreSQL database servers to XFS. During testing period, I even
> couldn't *recover* the / fs after the very first power failure test.
What write operations were you performing a
Stan Hoeppner writes:
> I'd also like to add that anyone smart enough to be on this list is
> smart enough to know you should have a UPS, regardless of what
> filesystem you use. If you're not you shouldn't be here.
I guess I don't belong here then...
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Aniruddha put forth on 7/27/2010 12:03 PM:
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>
>> Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 8:22 AM:
>>
>>> You are missing a very important point: Durability to power failures.
>>> (Excuse me, but a majority of GNU/Linux users are not switched to a
Dne, 27. 07. 2010 19:48:53 je Mark napisal(a):
>
> NASA also trusts Windows and NTFS too?
>
NASA also backs up their data on 5.25" floppy disks [1].
[1] *completely made up information
NASA as an authority on reliable storage? C'mon, the bozos can't even
be trusted with their own Challen
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner writes:
> I'd also like to add that anyone smart enough to be on this list is smart
> enough to know you should have a UPS, regardless of what filesystem you use.
> If you're not you shouldn't be here. If you disagree on the technical merits
> (not cost), you're
We use XFS in production at work. Where I work, we are routinely dealing
with hundreds of terabytes of data (I have heard the word "petabyte" bandied
about in several meetings), so we are beyond or hovering on the edge of the
size limits and performance limits of the ext filesystems.
At home, I pr
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Volkan YAZICI wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner writes:
> > NASA trusts it with over 1PB of storage, but _you_ don't trust it? Who
> are
> > you again? How many hundreds of TB of storage do you manage on EXT3/4?
> ;)
>
> NASA also trusts Windows and
On Tue July 27 2010, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> I'd also like to add that anyone smart enough to be on this list is smart
> enough to know you should have a UPS, regardless of what filesystem you
> use. If you're not you shouldn't be here. If you disagree on the technical
> merits (not cost), you're u
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner writes:
> NASA trusts it with over 1PB of storage, but _you_ don't trust it? Who are
> you again? How many hundreds of TB of storage do you manage on EXT3/4? ;)
NASA also trusts Windows and NTFS too? Who are you again?
I think you are confusing apples and ora
Aniruddha put forth on 7/27/2010 9:43 AM:
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Volkan YAZICI wrote:
>
>>
>> You are missing a very important point: Durability to power failures.
>> (Excuse me, but a majority of GNU/Linux users are not switched to a UPS
>> or something.) And that's where XFS totally
On 7/27/2010 11:20 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Aaron Toponce put forth on 7/27/2010 10:41 AM:
>
>> XFS has also had a history for randomly corrupting data. While this
>> might have improved over time, I don't trust it.
>
> Can you cite or reference anything to back your claim? Time frame? Irix o
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner writes:
> Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 8:22 AM:
> 1. Never quote forum or email posts as empirical or reliable evidence of
> anything.
You're right, my bad.
> You quoted this FAQ item solely based on the tile, without reading it,
> in your effort to de
Aaron Toponce put forth on 7/27/2010 10:41 AM:
> XFS has also had a history for randomly corrupting data. While this
> might have improved over time, I don't trust it.
Can you cite or reference anything to back your claim? Time frame? Irix or
Linux? Serious users reported this or casual/hobbyi
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 8:22 AM:
>
> > You are missing a very important point: Durability to power failures.
> > (Excuse me, but a majority of GNU/Linux users are not switched to a UPS
> > or something.) And that's where XFS tota
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 09:51:53 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Lisi put forth on 7/27/2010 2:23 AM:
> > On Tuesday 27 July 2010 08:10:15 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> >> XFS which is superior to all other Linux filesystems.
> >
> > Stan -
> >
> > Have you the time to give a rationale for this?
>
> Sure.
Thanks,
Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 8:22 AM:
> You are missing a very important point: Durability to power failures.
> (Excuse me, but a majority of GNU/Linux users are not switched to a UPS
> or something.) And that's where XFS totally fails[1][2].
> [1] http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-List
On 7/27/2010 1:23 AM, Lisi wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 July 2010 08:10:15 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> XFS which is superior to all other Linux filesystems.
>
> Stan -
>
> Have you the time to give a rationale for this?
Except XFS filesystems can't shrink, only grow. Sucks when you need to
resize parti
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Volkan YAZICI wrote:
>
> You are missing a very important point: Durability to power failures.
> (Excuse me, but a majority of GNU/Linux users are not switched to a UPS
> or something.) And that's where XFS totally fails[1][2].
>
Ext3 has the same problems when n
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner writes:
> 1. Best overall performance for most systems, large and small, and the FS
> creation and mounting parameters are super configurable to match the system
> hardware for best performance. One recent set of recent benchmarks
> demonstrating so:
> http://bt
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:51, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>
> Debian will _always_ default to an EXT* filesystem--until the end of time.
Nope, btrfs will replace ext3/4 as default soon enough.
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Lisi put forth on 7/27/2010 2:23 AM:
> On Tuesday 27 July 2010 08:10:15 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> XFS which is superior to all other Linux filesystems.
>
> Stan -
>
> Have you the time to give a rationale for this?
Sure.
1. Best overall performance for most systems, large and small, and the FS
c
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 08:10:15 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> XFS which is superior to all other Linux filesystems.
Stan -
Have you the time to give a rationale for this?
I'm not in any way impugning your knowledge. But I am at the stage of
accepting the default that Lenny gives me, for no better
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