Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-15 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/15/07 11:46, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 09:33 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 01/14/07 23:58, Greg Folkert wrote: >>> On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 11:43 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: >

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-15 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 09:33 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 01/14/07 23:58, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 11:43 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> Greg Folkert wrote: > >> > >>> On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 22:01 -0500, Grok Mogger wrote: >

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-15 Thread Anson Gardner
On Monday 15 January 2007 09:33, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 01/14/07 23:58, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 11:43 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> Greg Folkert wrote: > >>> On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 22:01 -0500, Grok Mogger wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > "The kernel comes with

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-15 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/14/07 23:58, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 11:43 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: >> Greg Folkert wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 22:01 -0500, Grok Mogger wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "The kernel comes with it's own docum

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 11:43 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > Greg Folkert wrote: > > > On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 22:01 -0500, Grok Mogger wrote: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> > >> "The kernel comes with it's own documentation section. Some > >> good reading there." > >> > >> Sounds great. Wh

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-14 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 10:50:19PM -0500, Grok Mogger wrote: > My goal is ultimately the following. I want to be able to say > "I'm interested in getting a Super Device 4000" and then go > through whatever steps I need to verify that it will or won't > work before I even try it. I'd like to

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-13 Thread Dave Patterson
on Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 05:46:04PM -0500 Grok Mogger mumbled: > This sounds like if I know for a fact that the device I'm > interested in uses "Chipset Awesome 100c", then I could start > grep'ing through the kernel source for parts and permutations of > the chipset name hoping to find some ma

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-13 Thread Grok Mogger
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:50:19 -0500 Grok Mogger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is it safe to say that drivers are really for a chipset, not a device? And so therefore, support for a device really boils down to "is the chipset supported?" not "is the device supported"? Yes,

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-13 Thread Grok Mogger
Kevin Ross wrote: Here's a code snippet from ne2k-pci.c, the NE2000-clone NIC driver: static struct { char *name; int flags; } pci_clone_list[] __devinitdata = { {"RealTek RTL-8029", REALTEK_FDX}, {"Winbond 89C940", 0}, {"Compex RL2000", 0}, {"KTI ET32P2", 0}, {"NetVin NV5000SC", 0}, {

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-13 Thread Grok Mogger
Kevin Mark writes: >> wizbang 1000 (chipset A) uses kernel module P wizbang 1000 (rev. 2, chipset B) uses kernel Q. > John Hasler wrote: They also sometimes have the chips labeled with their own labels so that somebody has to do some reverse engineering to find out what is really in there.

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-13 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 08:14:58PM -0800, Kevin Ross wrote: > > Having a comprehensive list of supported chipsets would be useful, though. > If > some text-parsing wizard out there would like to write such a program, it > would > be interesting. now if only manufacturers would put the chips

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-13 Thread John L Fjellstad
Grok Mogger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "The kernel comes with it's own documentation section. Some good > reading there." > > Sounds great. Where can I find that? =P # aptitude install linux-doc- where is the version of your kernel. The package might have been called kernel-doc- in sarge

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Greg Folkert wrote: > On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 22:01 -0500, Grok Mogger wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> >> "The kernel comes with it's own documentation section. Some >> good reading there." >> >> Sounds great. Where can I find that? =P > > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/l

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-13 Thread Hugh Lawson
Grok Mogger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thanks to everyone who's taken the time to respond. It's helped a > lot. I'd still like some more help though if you can spare it. =) Hear! Hear! This has been really informative. -- Hugh Lawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAI

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-13 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:47:05 -0500 Grok Mogger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > If the default kernel that comes with Debian has all these built > in drivers and modules, then shouldn't there be some way to just > get a list of every supported device? What about generic drivers l

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-13 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:50:19 -0500 Grok Mogger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it safe to say that drivers are really for a chipset, not a > device? And so therefore, support for a device really boils > down to "is the chipset supported?" not "is the device supported"? Yes, but not 100%. Along

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Some of the truly annoying problems crop up when you have > BarWidget 175t manufactured before some date using chipsets from company > C and BarWidget 175t manufactured after a certain date using chipsets > from company D, but there is no change in model number. Users

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-12 Thread Kevin Ross
Here's a code snippet from ne2k-pci.c, the NE2000-clone NIC driver: static struct { char *name; int flags; } pci_clone_list[] __devinitdata = { {"RealTek RTL-8029", REALTEK_FDX}, {"Winbond 89C940", 0}, {"Compex RL2000", 0}, {"KTI ET32P2", 0}, {"NetVin NV5000SC", 0}, {"Via 86C926", ONLY_16

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-12 Thread John Hasler
Grok Mogger writes: > Is it safe to say that drivers are really for a chipset, not a device? > And so therefore, support for a device really boils down to "is the > chipset supported?" not "is the device supported"? Fairly safe. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] wit

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-12 Thread John Hasler
sdpatt2 wrote > The kernel comes with it's own documentation section. Some good reading > there. Grok Mogger writes: > Sounds great. Where can I find that? Install the kernel source package for your kernel and look in /usr/src/linux/Documentation. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-12 Thread Grok Mogger
Thanks to everyone who's taken the time to respond. It's helped a lot. I'd still like some more help though if you can spare it. =) My goal is ultimately the following. I want to be able to say "I'm interested in getting a Super Device 4000" and then go through whatever steps I need to ve

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-12 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 22:01 -0500, Grok Mogger wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > "The kernel comes with it's own documentation section. Some > good reading there." > > Sounds great. Where can I find that? =P http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.19.tar.gz Extract it and

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-12 Thread Grok Mogger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 08:47:05PM -0500 Grok Mogger mumbled: Hey everyone, If I want to buy a new piece of hardware, and I want to figure out if it's supported or not (BEFORE I buy it), One good way is to take a knoppix disk to the 'puter store and boot the shiny

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-12 Thread John Hasler
Kevin Mark writes: > wizbang 1000 (chipset A) uses kernel module P > wizbang 1000 (rev. 2, chipset B) uses kernel Q. They don't even always bother with changing the revision number. Sometimes they just slipstream the change so that all units after a certain serial number use the new chipset. The

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-12 Thread Kevin Mark
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 08:47:05PM -0500, Grok Mogger wrote: > Hey everyone, > > If the default kernel that comes with Debian has all these built > in drivers and modules, then shouldn't there be some way to just > get a list of every supported device? > > If I want to buy a new piece of hardwa

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-12 Thread sdpatt2
on Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 08:47:05PM -0500 Grok Mogger mumbled: > Hey everyone, > > If I want to buy a new piece of hardware, and I want to figure > out if it's supported or not (BEFORE I buy it), One good way is to take a knoppix disk to the 'puter store and boot the shiny new machine off it.

Re: Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-12 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 08:47:05PM -0500, Grok Mogger wrote: > Hey everyone, > > If the default kernel that comes with Debian has all these built > in drivers and modules, then shouldn't there be some way to just > get a list of every supported device? > Nope. However, with enough work, you ca

Linux Drivers, The Kernel, and a Driver List

2007-01-12 Thread Grok Mogger
Hey everyone, If the default kernel that comes with Debian has all these built in drivers and modules, then shouldn't there be some way to just get a list of every supported device? If I want to buy a new piece of hardware, and I want to figure out if it's supported or not (BEFORE I buy it),