Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-18 Thread mtsouk
lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: 'debian-user' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Linux: a gentle, growing approach > Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:41:29 -0500 (CDT) > Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I want to master Linux. I figure there are two ways to learn Linux >

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 06:01:16AM +0100, Alan Chandler wrote: > but I found it selected and de-selected packages is with a mind of its own, > and also seemed to group them in funny ways that I didn't really understand. I think aptitude will select Suggested packages by default, but you can disa

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 10:31:56PM -0400, Mark Carroll wrote: > TBH, part of the problem for me was with apt. It would try to install > packages I didn't have selected, and when I asked WTF dpkg was up to, I > was told it was apt, and then when I'd switch to using dpkg-ftp instead > the problem wo

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-14 Thread Alan Chandler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 14 October 2002 11:09 pm, martin f krafft wrote: > > you should try aptitude. I did, but I found it non-intuative. I suspect it was a learning curve thing, but I found it selected and de-selected packages is with a mind of its own, and

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-14 Thread Mark Carroll
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.14.2200 +0200]: > > I must admit, I quite like dselect. I can browse very quickly through So do I. (snip) > you should try aptitude. TBH, part of the problem for me was with apt. It would try

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-14 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.14.2200 +0200]: > I must admit, I quite like dselect. I can browse very quickly through > available packages and find what I am looking for very easily (especially > when I don't know the name). In fact I have frequently come across some g

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-14 Thread Alan Chandler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 14 October 2002 12:23 pm, David Pastern wrote: > > I actually don't really use dselect at all (a few times to help get kde 3 I must admit, I quite like dselect. I can browse very quickly through available packages and find what I am loo

RE: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-14 Thread Josh Rehman
Perhaps I gave the wrong impression. I am already a competent Linux user. I am a programmer by trade, and know a smattering of C, Bash, and Perl. I use Linux extensively at work, and somewhat at home. My idea was regarding the *mastery* of Linux, not learning it as a newbie. So far, I've been expl

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-14 Thread Mark L. Kahnt
On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 06:24, ben wrote: > On Monday 14 October 2002 12:33 am, David Pastern wrote: > [big snip] > > dave, i'll give you a couple of points due to the fact that the subject > header says linux, and not debian. but then, given that it's a debian list, i > have to take back, at lea

RE: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-14 Thread David Pastern
Ben said (snipped not in rudeness but to keep it short): just a rant. don't be offended. ben I did speaketh: Ben I totally understand your point. I actually do agree with a lot of what you say. Good life story as well :-) I know that microsoft makes its users dumb and preys on that. Micros

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-14 Thread ben
On Monday 14 October 2002 12:33 am, David Pastern wrote: [big snip] dave, i'll give you a couple of points due to the fact that the subject header says linux, and not debian. but then, given that it's a debian list, i have to take back, at least, one of them. in fact, given that you'd have a h

RE: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-14 Thread David Pastern
Ben and Colin said On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 05:33:19PM +1000, David Pastern wrote: > Ben said: > > excellent advice. in fact, i found myself in an involuntary chuckle before i > got to the end of it. it's great to read that someone whose cunning (welches > wissen (?)) i respect has the same

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 05:33:19PM +1000, David Pastern wrote: > Ben said: > > excellent advice. in fact, i found myself in an involuntary chuckle before i > got to the end of it. it's great to read that someone whose cunning (welches > wissen (?)) i respect has the same opinion of dselect and ta

RE: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-14 Thread David Pastern
Ben said: excellent advice. in fact, i found myself in an involuntary chuckle before i got to the end of it. it's great to read that someone whose cunning (welches wissen (?)) i respect has the same opinion of dselect and tasksel. maybe the banishing of those two crapapples would help demystif

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-13 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.14.0153 +0200]: > Get a second PC that would normally be junked. > Install linux without X, then use and study it only in console mode. > Get samba and ethernet working so you can browse the linux pc from > the windows box and surf the net for howto

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-13 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.14.0845 +0200]: > excellent advice. in fact, i found myself in an involuntary chuckle before i > got to the end of it. it's great to read that someone whose cunning (welches > wissen (?)) i respect has the same opinion of dselect and tasksel. maybe th

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-13 Thread ben
On Sunday 13 October 2002 12:21 pm, martin f krafft wrote: [snip] > Install Debian as usual, when asked whether to run dselect or tasksel, > just say no to both. It's that easy. > excellent advice. in fact, i found myself in an involuntary chuckle before i got to the end of it. it's great to rea

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-13 Thread ben
On Sunday 13 October 2002 11:50 am, Josh Rehman wrote: > I want to master Linux. I figure there are two ways to learn Linux > system administration and usage. The first is to install a distribution > and then explore it's nooks and crannies. The second is to begin with a > seed and *grow* the nook

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-13 Thread Russell
Josh Rehman wrote: > > I want to master Linux. I figure there are two ways to learn Linux > system administration and usage. The first is to install a distribution > and then explore it's nooks and crannies. The second is to begin with a > seed and *grow* the nooks and crannies as needed. The for

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-13 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Josh Rehman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.13.2050 +0200]: > I am looking to understand and manipulate a Linux system with the > minimum number of tools to accomplish certain simple goals. The goals > increase in complexity. Tools should be introduced only as needed to > accomplish a goa

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-13 Thread Simon Law
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 11:50:18AM -0700, Josh Rehman wrote: > I want to master Linux. I figure there are two ways to learn Linux > system administration and usage. The first is to install a distribution > and then explore it's nooks and crannies. The second is to begin with a > seed and *grow* th

Re: Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-13 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 at 11:50am, Josh Rehman wrote: :I want to master Linux. I figure there are two ways to learn Linux :system administration and usage. The first is to install a distribution :and then explore it's nooks and crannies. The second is to begin with a :seed and *grow* the nooks and c

Linux: a gentle, growing approach

2002-10-13 Thread Josh Rehman
I want to master Linux. I figure there are two ways to learn Linux system administration and usage. The first is to install a distribution and then explore it's nooks and crannies. The second is to begin with a seed and *grow* the nooks and crannies as needed. The former method is overwhelmingly u