word choices on list (Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian)

2015-08-13 Thread Joel Rees
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shite Thus, yes, it's not appropriate language here. The problem with expletives is not in the words themselves, really. Fecal matter is what it is, whatever it is called. The problem is that the metaphor inherently fails. People hear instead that the speaker is up

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-08-13 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, 24 May 2015 07:50:58 +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: > But will it become something to watch out for when buying new hardware? > Most certainly, at least for a period of time. I have a sneaking > suspicion that it might become a bigger problem for laptop users than > for desktop users, although

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-28 Thread Deb
On 05/28/2015 01:41 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2015, Deb wrote: On 27/05/15 05:21 PM, deloptes wrote: Patrick Bartek wrote: Researching a laptop purchase (within the next 6 months or so) to replace my aging Desktop (1 to 8.5 years depending on which parts). Going to abandon

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-28 Thread Steve McIntyre
nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: >On Wed, 27 May 2015, Deb wrote: > >> I just want to add that my Jessie 8.0 is fully UEFI-compatible and >> boots UEFI with zero issues. So did the netinstaller. But I don't >> remember whether I've ever seen Wheezy installed for UEFI boot. > >Figured Jessie was, just NOT

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-27 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Wed, 27 May 2015, deloptes wrote: > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > > Researching a laptop purchase (within the next 6 months or so) to > > replace my aging Desktop (1 to 8.5 years depending on which > > parts). Going to abandoned the Big Box forever. Need to be very > > portable in the next

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-27 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Wed, 27 May 2015, Deb wrote: > > > On 27/05/15 05:21 PM, deloptes wrote: > > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > >> Researching a laptop purchase (within the next 6 months or so) to > >> replace my aging Desktop (1 to 8.5 years depending on which > >> parts). Going to abandoned the Big Box forever.

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-27 Thread Deb
On 27/05/15 05:21 PM, deloptes wrote: Patrick Bartek wrote: Researching a laptop purchase (within the next 6 months or so) to replace my aging Desktop (1 to 8.5 years depending on which parts). Going to abandoned the Big Box forever. Need to be very portable in the next year or two. Two que

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-27 Thread deloptes
Patrick Bartek wrote: > > Researching a laptop purchase (within the next 6 months or so) to replace > my aging Desktop (1 to 8.5 years depending on which parts). Going to > abandoned the Big Box forever. Need to be very portable in the next year > or two. Two questions to begin: > > 1. Many la

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-27 Thread Richard Hector
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 26/05/15 20:53, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I object to your language. Both the swearing and the constant > unwarranted use of the word malicious. The swearing is against the code of conduct of the list, even. https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeo

Virtual Machines <- Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-26 Thread ken
On 05/26/2015 05:18 AM, Petter Adsen wrote: Second, virtual machines these days are incredibly easy to set up and use. Steve Litt posted a link to an introductory article on qemu/KVM here very recently, I suggest that as a starting point. There is a tool called "Virtual Machine Manager" (package:

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-26 Thread Petter Adsen
On Tue, 26 May 2015 11:18:00 +0200 Petter Adsen wrote: > Second, virtual machines these days are incredibly easy to set up and > use. Steve Litt posted a link to an introductory article on qemu/KVM > here very recently, I suggest that as a starting point. There is a Sorry about that, the post was

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-26 Thread Petter Adsen
On Tue, 26 May 2015 16:58:05 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: > On 26/05/2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > > On Tue, 26 May 2015 12:23:25 +0800 > > Bret Busby wrote: > > > >> On 26/05/2015, Stuart Longland wrote: > >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> > Hash: SHA512 > >> > > >> > On 24/05/15 19:03, P

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-26 Thread Bret Busby
On 26/05/2015, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 26 May 2015 05:15:10 Bret Busby wrote: >> On 26/05/2015, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> > On Monday 25 May 2015 20:56:58 Bret Busby wrote: >> >> On 26/05/2015, Sven Arvidsson wrote: >> >> > On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 00:59 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: >> >> >> But, in

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-26 Thread Bret Busby
On 26/05/2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > On Tue, 26 May 2015 12:23:25 +0800 > Bret Busby wrote: > >> On 26/05/2015, Stuart Longland wrote: >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> > Hash: SHA512 >> > >> > On 24/05/15 19:03, Petter Adsen wrote: >> >> If both Wheezy and Trusty are installed in legac

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-26 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 26 May 2015 05:15:10 Bret Busby wrote: > On 26/05/2015, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Monday 25 May 2015 20:56:58 Bret Busby wrote: > >> On 26/05/2015, Sven Arvidsson wrote: > >> > On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 00:59 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > >> >> But, in going to the company web site, I found th

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-25 Thread Petter Adsen
On Tue, 26 May 2015 12:23:25 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: > On 26/05/2015, Stuart Longland wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > On 24/05/15 19:03, Petter Adsen wrote: > >> If both Wheezy and Trusty are installed in legacy mode the > >> bootloader should see all of th

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-25 Thread Bret Busby
On 26/05/2015, Stuart Longland wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 24/05/15 19:03, Petter Adsen wrote: >> If both Wheezy and Trusty are installed in legacy mode the >> bootloader should see all of them. Dependent on your needs, an >> easier way might be to just spin u

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-25 Thread Bret Busby
On 26/05/2015, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 25 May 2015 20:56:58 Bret Busby wrote: >> On 26/05/2015, Sven Arvidsson wrote: >> > On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 00:59 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: >> >> But, in going to the company web site, I found the web site to be one >> >> of those malicious web sites, tha

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-25 Thread Stuart Longland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 24/05/15 19:03, Petter Adsen wrote: > If both Wheezy and Trusty are installed in legacy mode the > bootloader should see all of them. Dependent on your needs, an > easier way might be to just spin up a VM or three with the systems > you use the le

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-25 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 25 May 2015 20:56:58 Bret Busby wrote: > On 26/05/2015, Sven Arvidsson wrote: > > On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 00:59 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > >> But, in going to the company web site, I found the web site to be one > >> of those malicious web sites, that crash web browsers (the web browser >

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-25 Thread Bret Busby
On 26/05/2015, Sven Arvidsson wrote: > On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 00:59 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: >> But, in going to the company web site, I found the web site to be one >> of those malicious web sites, that crash web browsers (the web browser >> starts displaying the home page of the web site, and the

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-25 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 00:59 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > But, in going to the company web site, I found the web site to be one > of those malicious web sites, that crash web browsers (the web browser > starts displaying the home page of the web site, and then crashes, > while downloading the home pag

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-25 Thread Bret Busby
On 25/05/2015, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 25 May 2015 08:35:40 Bret Busby wrote: >> On 25/05/2015, Patrick Bartek wrote: >> > On Sun, 24 May 2015, Paul E Condon wrote: >> >> > >> With UEFI and the forced Security Boot that is part of UEFI, with >> toxic waste Setup Utilities like Inshite, whi

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-25 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 25 May 2015 08:35:40 Bret Busby wrote: > On 25/05/2015, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Sun, 24 May 2015, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > With UEFI and the forced Security Boot that is part of UEFI, with > toxic waste Setup Utilities like Inshite, which fraudulently > misrepresents that it imp

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-25 Thread Bret Busby
On 25/05/2015, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Sun, 24 May 2015, Paul E Condon wrote: > > UEFI isn't the problem. Most all Linux distros support and can use > it. It's Secure Boot which requires a Microsoft key that's the > problem. If you can't turn it off, you can't install another OS. > And if

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-25 Thread Petter Adsen
On Sun, 24 May 2015 20:31:40 -0700 Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Sun, 24 May 2015, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > > [BIG snip] > > Two comments: > > > > 1) I saw a few days ago, an NewEgg.com advert. for a specialized > > HD/SSD combo. from Western Digital. It is a drop-in replacement for > > a SATA H

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-25 Thread Petter Adsen
On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:39:08 -0700 Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Sun, 24 May 2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > > > On Sat, 23 May 2015 12:46:10 -0700 > > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 23 May 2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:04:55 -0700 > > > > Patrick Bartek wr

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-24 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 24 May 2015, Paul E Condon wrote: > > [BIG snip] > Two comments: > > 1) I saw a few days ago, an NewEgg.com advert. for a specialized > HD/SSD combo. from Western Digital. It is a drop-in replacement for a > SATA HD that combines in the same SATA physical outline, a 120GB SSD > and a 1TB

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-24 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20150524_1739-0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Sun, 24 May 2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > > > On Sat, 23 May 2015 12:46:10 -0700 > > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 23 May 2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:04:55 -0700 > > > > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > >

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-24 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 24 May 2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > On Sat, 23 May 2015 12:46:10 -0700 > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > On Sat, 23 May 2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:04:55 -0700 > > > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > I've read about that, but right now until W10 in its final form

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-24 Thread Petter Adsen
On Sun, 24 May 2015 16:12:50 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: > Oh, and one thing that I forgot to mention, is that, due to the > immovable files, the Microshite Windows 8.x installation occupies > about 250GB of unusable disk space. > > Now, it has occurred to me that it could be a good idea to install >

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-24 Thread Bret Busby
On 24/05/2015, Bret Busby wrote: > On 23/05/2015, Petter Adsen wrote: >> On Fri, 22 May 2015 23:53:14 -0700 >> Patrick Bartek wrote: >> >>> >>> Researching a laptop purchase (within the next 6 months or so) to >>> replace my aging Desktop (1 to 8.5 years depending on which parts). >>> Going to a

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-24 Thread Bret Busby
On 23/05/2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > On Fri, 22 May 2015 23:53:14 -0700 > Patrick Bartek wrote: > >> >> Researching a laptop purchase (within the next 6 months or so) to >> replace my aging Desktop (1 to 8.5 years depending on which parts). >> Going to abandoned the Big Box forever. Need to be v

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-23 Thread Petter Adsen
On Sat, 23 May 2015 12:46:10 -0700 Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Sat, 23 May 2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > > > On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:04:55 -0700 > > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > I've read about that, but right now until W10 in its final form is > > > release, nobody really knows for sure. > > > > W

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-23 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sat, 23 May 2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:04:55 -0700 > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > On Sat, 23 May 2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 22 May 2015 23:53:14 -0700 > > > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Researching a laptop purchase (within the next 6

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-23 Thread Petter Adsen
On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:04:55 -0700 Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Sat, 23 May 2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > > > On Fri, 22 May 2015 23:53:14 -0700 > > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > > > > > Researching a laptop purchase (within the next 6 months or so) to > > > replace my aging Desktop (1 to 8.5 yea

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-23 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sat, 23 May 2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > On Fri, 22 May 2015 23:53:14 -0700 > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > > Researching a laptop purchase (within the next 6 months or so) to > > replace my aging Desktop (1 to 8.5 years depending on which parts). > > Going to abandoned the Big Box forever.

Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-23 Thread Petter Adsen
On Fri, 22 May 2015 23:53:14 -0700 Patrick Bartek wrote: > > Researching a laptop purchase (within the next 6 months or so) to > replace my aging Desktop (1 to 8.5 years depending on which parts). > Going to abandoned the Big Box forever. Need to be very portable in > the next year or two. Two

Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-23 Thread Juha Heinanen
Patrick Bartek writes: > 2. How UEFI compatible is Debian Wheezy? What I'm running on the > Desktop. Or is Jessie the better choice. Or something else entirely? > Except Ubuntu variants (Hate it!). I don't want to run in Legacy mode > for future compatibility. I won't be installing a desktop,

Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian

2015-05-22 Thread Patrick Bartek
Researching a laptop purchase (within the next 6 months or so) to replace my aging Desktop (1 to 8.5 years depending on which parts). Going to abandoned the Big Box forever. Need to be very portable in the next year or two. Two questions to begin: 1. Many laptops seem to only be able to turn