On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:24:38 +
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 09:07:29AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
...
> > Proper bidi support is indeed a sin qua non for me, which is why I'm
> > reluctantly giving up LyX for my mixed language documents, even though
> > I really like the LyX pa
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 09:07:29AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:05:42 +
> Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > StartOffice 5.2 was a proprietary application, using the motif toolkit
> > which had its own proprietary file formats. Has no decent support for
> > bidirectional or
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:05:42 +
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
...
> StartOffice 5.2 was a proprietary application, using the motif toolkit
> which had its own proprietary file formats. Has no decent support for
> bidirectional or CJK text (or other types of complex text layout). It
> ran in its own se
2009/2/24 Bret Busby :
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Paul Johnson wrote:
> I thought that using package management to do system updates, like apt-get
> update followed by apt-get dist-upgrade, removed packages that became
> obsolete, and thence associated files, other than data files created by the
> pac
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Paul Johnson wrote:
Adrian Levi wrote:
2009/2/22 Celejar :
I was actually surprised by the fact that I apparently had a bunch of
java stuff marked as manually installed. I run aptitude without
automatic installation of recommends, and I have no idea when I would
have mar
Adrian Levi wrote:
> 2009/2/22 Celejar :
>
>> I was actually surprised by the fact that I apparently had a bunch of
>> java stuff marked as manually installed. I run aptitude without
>> automatic installation of recommends, and I have no idea when I would
>> have marked stuff like 'libxom-java' o
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009, Adrian Levi wrote:
If you have issues with Java 'tainting' your system then power to you,
but both Staroffice and Java were invented by Sun Microsystems then
released to the community freely. Open JDK is a completely free
implementation of Java that satisfies the DSFG.
I re
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 01:18:16AM +0900, Bret Busby wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Adrian Levi wrote:
>
>>
>> 2009/2/21 Bret Busby :
>>> On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
If you install the desktop task you also get O
2009/2/22 Celejar :
> I was actually surprised by the fact that I apparently had a bunch of
> java stuff marked as manually installed. I run aptitude without
> automatic installation of recommends, and I have no idea when I would
> have marked stuff like 'libxom-java' or 'bsh' (BeanShell) as manu
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:30:41 +1000
Adrian Levi wrote:
...
> But you can use Openoffice.org without java but for Base, even then
> IIRC it's only used for some of the functionality
>
> I found a feally good link [1] that describes exactly what Java
> provides in the different components of openo
2009/2/22 Bret Busby :
> On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Adrian Levi wrote:
>
>>
>> 2009/2/21 Bret Busby :
>>>
>>> On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
If you install the desktop task you also get OpenOffice.org that depends
>
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Adrian Levi wrote:
2009/2/21 Bret Busby :
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
If you install the desktop task you also get OpenOffice.org that depends
on a Java JRE.
So, to use Open Office, Java is n
2009/2/21 Bret Busby :
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
>> If you install the desktop task you also get OpenOffice.org that depends
>> on a Java JRE.
> So, to use Open Office, Java is needed?
>
> I understood that Open O
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
If you choose to use Java programs, you'll obviously need Java for them.
But Debian doesn't come with anything that requires a Java interpreter
out of the box, so no, you can happily run
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
> If you choose to use Java programs, you'll obviously need Java for them.
> But Debian doesn't come with anything that requires a Java interpreter
> out of the box, so no, you can happily run Debian 5.0 without Java.
If you install
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:11:24PM +1100, Alex Samad wrote:
> before I rant too much, is it a must install on debian 5.
No. And using it requires some effort.
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Bret Busby wrote:
> Does this now mean that we cannot instal and run Debian 5 without Java,
> or that Debian cannot fully run without Java, in the same way that some
> versions of MS Windows cannot fully run without Internet Explorer?
Mu. It means you can run Java programs without Sun Java or Bl
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 01:54:39PM -0800, francisco Quinonez wrote:
> On February 18, 2009 11:44:43 pm S D wrote:
> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Bret Busby wrote:
[snip]
> > Again, no. It means that Java SDK is now part of Debian distribution and
> > people who want Java installed can install it, as y
--- On Thu, 2/19/09, francisco Quinonez wrote:
> The problem is, if it come on a standard installation as
> SELinux and probably
> others; because in this case it becomes an obligation by
> default.
What Java packages are you referring to? If you don't use any Java apps you
should be able t
On February 18, 2009 11:44:43 pm S D wrote:
> --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Bret Busby wrote:
> > Does this now mean that we cannot instal and run Debian 5
> > without Java,
>
> No, it doesn't mean that. You can install and run Debian without Java.
>
> > or that Debian cannot fully run without Java,
> > in
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 04:07:05PM +0900, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> On the web page at
> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#id2794519
>
> is stated:
>
> "2.7. Java now in Debian
>
> The OpenJDK Java Runtime Environment openjdk-6-jre and Development Kit
>
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> On the web page at
> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#id2794519
> is stated:
>
> "2.7. Java now in Debian
>
> The OpenJDK Java Runtime Environment openjdk-6-jre and Development Kit
> openjdk-6-jdk,
--- On Thu, 2/19/09, Bret Busby wrote:
> Does this now mean that we cannot instal and run Debian 5
> without Java,
No, it doesn't mean that. You can install and run Debian without Java.
> or that Debian cannot fully run without Java,
> in the same way that some versions of MS Windows cannot
>
On the web page at
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#id2794519
is stated:
"2.7. Java now in Debian
The OpenJDK Java Runtime Environment openjdk-6-jre and Development Kit
openjdk-6-jdk, needed for executing Java GUI and Webstart programs or
buildi
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