Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

2023-11-06 Thread jeremy ardley
On 6/11/23 15:22, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: For future readers of the list: I had to search for the meaning of an NPU and found this reference helpful - https://www.backblaze.com/blog/ai-101-gpu-vs-tpu-vs-npu/ - no further opinions as to the company behind it. NPU - Neural Processing Unit - c

Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

2023-11-05 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Nov 06, 2023 at 09:32:05AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > > On 6/11/23 06:26, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > I think you've hit the curse of almost all ARM single board computers. > > Almost all are small production runs / out of East Asia somewhere as > > "prototypes"** with a board support

Re: Debian support for ARM SBCs (was: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images)

2023-11-05 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Nov 05, 2023 at 06:39:46PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > The way round this is to build u-boot or reverse-enginer the settings then > > do the same for a kernel, dtb and then debootstrap Debian yourself > > - that's exactly the sort of thing that folk do to get their boards > > "suppor

Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

2023-11-05 Thread jeremy ardley
On 6/11/23 06:26, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: I think you've hit the curse of almost all ARM single board computers. Almost all are small production runs / out of East Asia somewhere as "prototypes"** with a board support package (BSP) that's probably just the manufacturer's kernel, u-boot and d

Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

2023-11-05 Thread gene heskett
On 11/5/23 17:26, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Fri, Nov 03, 2023 at 12:22:36PM -0400, Daniel Gnoutcheff wrote: The best answer is if the board has been supported for a while by Armbian then that is probably a better choice than a less well supported/documented manufacturer specific build of Debia

Debian support for ARM SBCs (was: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images)

2023-11-05 Thread Stefan Monnier
> The way round this is to build u-boot or reverse-enginer the settings then > do the same for a kernel, dtb and then debootstrap Debian yourself > - that's exactly the sort of thing that folk do to get their boards > "supported in Debian" - folk like vagrantc and gwolf. > Painful isn't in it - t

Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

2023-11-05 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Nov 03, 2023 at 12:22:36PM -0400, Daniel Gnoutcheff wrote: > > The best answer is if the board has been supported for a while by > > Armbian then that is probably a better choice than a less well > > supported/documented manufacturer specific build of Debian. > > Oh, I should clarify. By

Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

2023-11-04 Thread Nicolas George
jeremy ardley (12023-11-04): > The problem with pure Debian is it will likely not ever support the extra > goodies on some SBC. Indeed, running Debian on this kind of device is not perfect. But there are problems with running a niche distro too. It would be idiotic to suggest there is a perfect s

Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

2023-11-03 Thread Stefan Monnier
> The problem with pure Debian is it will likely not ever support the extra > goodies on some SBC. In my case the NPU and GPU which are > manufacturer specific. AFAIK for the GPU the situation is usually not that bad (many/most ARM SoCs use Mali GPUs nowadays and these are fairly well supported un

Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

2023-11-03 Thread jeremy ardley
On 4/11/23 00:22, Daniel Gnoutcheff wrote: The best answer is if the board has been supported for a while by Armbian then that is probably a better choice than a less well supported/documented manufacturer specific build of Debian. Oh, I should clarify.  By "official Debian binaries and image

Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

2023-11-03 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Oh, I should clarify. By "official Debian binaries and images" I meant > to say "pure" or "mainline" Debian as distributed from *.debian.org. Yes, > a bespoke "Debian" image from the hardware vendor is, indeed, out of the > question. ARMbian is better, but I know and deeply trust the Debian pro

Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

2023-11-03 Thread Daniel Gnoutcheff
The best answer is if the board has been supported for a while by Armbian then that is probably a better choice than a less well supported/documented manufacturer specific build of Debian. Oh, I should clarify. By "official Debian binaries and images" I meant to say "pure" or "mainline" Debian

Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

2023-11-02 Thread Nicolas George
y...@vienna.at (12023-11-02): > > I ear with ARMbian you have to use Docker to build a kernel. That makes > > a pretty strong “why not ARMbian”. > No No what? No Docker is not necessary or no it is not a reason to ditch armbian? -- Nicolas George

Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

2023-11-02 Thread yxcv
On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 08:44:31 +0100 Nicolas George wrote: y...@vienna.at (12023-11-02): Why not try ARMbian? I ear with ARMbian you have to use Docker to build a kernel. That makes a pretty strong “why not ARMbian”. Regards, -- Nicolas George No

Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

2023-11-02 Thread Nicolas George
y...@vienna.at (12023-11-02): > Why not try ARMbian? I ear with ARMbian you have to use Docker to build a kernel. That makes a pretty strong “why not ARMbian”. Regards, -- Nicolas George

Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

2023-11-01 Thread jeremy ardley
On 2/11/23 08:01, y...@vienna.at wrote: On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 18:17:24 -0400  Daniel Gnoutcheff wrote: I have a Radxa Rock Pi 4B (an arm64 single-board computer) with a (removable) eMMC module.  I'd like to install Debian stable on it, and would strongly prefer to use official Debian binaries a

Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

2023-11-01 Thread yxcv
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 18:17:24 -0400 Daniel Gnoutcheff wrote: I have a Radxa Rock Pi 4B (an arm64 single-board computer) with a (removable) eMMC module. I'd like to install Debian stable on it, and would strongly prefer to use official Debian binaries and images. I successfully booted debian-i

Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

2023-11-01 Thread Daniel Gnoutcheff
I have a Radxa Rock Pi 4B (an arm64 single-board computer) with a (removable) eMMC module. I'd like to install Debian stable on it, and would strongly prefer to use official Debian binaries and images. I successfully booted debian-installer from eMMC after flashing the rock-pi-4-rk3999 SD car