Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-12-10 Thread Matthew Sackman
On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 09:08:25AM +1000, john wrote: > Fred Bloom wrote: > > > Cobalt is a linux ISP out of the box. > > > > J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: > > > > Many people regard Cobalt as a piece of junk aimed at wannabe ISPs. My > impression > is that the original poster is > working for an a

Re: Misc topics (was Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD)

2001-11-26 Thread Keith G. Murphy
"Karsten M. Self" wrote: > > on Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 04:59:12PM -0800, Petro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 09:40:37PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > > on Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 02:12:17AM -0800, Petro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > wrote: > > > > > Bruce Schneier identifi

Re: Misc topics (was Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD)

2001-11-23 Thread Carl Fink
On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 06:51:16PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > ... I'd prefer a modularized, single-app approach to the monolithic > design of OpenOffice. Actually I understand OpenOffice is decomposing the monolithic StarOffice 5x model into single apps. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PR

Misc topics (was Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD)

2001-11-23 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 04:59:12PM -0800, Petro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 09:40:37PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > on Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 02:12:17AM -0800, Petro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 11:04:32PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: <.

Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-11-23 Thread Petro
On Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 09:40:37PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 02:12:17AM -0800, Petro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 11:04:32PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > > on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:38:11PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte > > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-11-22 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 02:12:17AM -0800, Petro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 11:04:32PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:38:11PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > My own experience running GNU/Linux and OpenBSD (2.7) side-by

Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-11-22 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 10:45:48AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Karsten M. Self wrote: > >Most of these boil down to the TCP/IP stack. The *BSD stack is damned > >good, and the rest of the world drools after it. Linus himself admit

Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-11-22 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karsten M. Self wrote: >Most of these boil down to the TCP/IP stack. The *BSD stack is damned >good, and the rest of the world drools after it. Linus himself admits >that Linux kernel networking code is a mess, and that he's not >personally a network hacker. Do y

Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-11-22 Thread Petro
On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 11:04:32PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:38:11PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:28:36PM -0600, David Batey wrote: > > > STABILITY: is Debian a good choice for heavy lifting? > > There are some le

Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-11-22 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:38:11PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:28:36PM -0600, David Batey wrote: > > STABILITY: is Debian a good choice for heavy lifting? > > There are some legit concerns regarding the Linux kernel as opposed to > the *BSD kernel

Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-11-21 Thread nate
Colin Watson said: > > I've prodded [EMAIL PROTECTED] again to remind the relevant people that > something needs to be done. cool! thanks. at least i think there should be a warning somewhere that tells of the problem if there isn't going to be a fix anytime soon. > This is basically just a quest

Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-11-21 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:49:28PM -0800, nate wrote: > i can think of one(IMO) glaring security problem in debian, > that is the (now almost a year old) DOS attack against the > openbsd ftpd port in debian potato. ive reported it to > multiple places(including the security list) but never got > a

Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-11-20 Thread nate
David Batey said: > > I work at a midwest ISP, and we've got an opportunity to switch > from an older openBSD to something more recent -- and apparently > upgrading to the current openBSD might be as much of a chore as > switching to something entirely different, such as Debian. i switched a few s

Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-11-20 Thread john
Fred Bloom wrote: > Cobalt is a linux ISP out of the box. > > J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: > Many people regard Cobalt as a piece of junk aimed at wannabe ISPs. My impression is that the original poster is working for an already established ISP. They are not secure out of the box, and can be a pa

Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-11-20 Thread Fred Bloom
Cobalt is a linux ISP out of the box. J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: [Please do not waste bandwidth with HTML mail] On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 13:28:36 -0600, David Batey wrote: I'm with an ISP having about 300 customers who use our servers for DNS, HTTP, POP, SMTP, and on one server we have FrontP

Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-11-20 Thread Mark Ferlatte
On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:28:36PM -0600, David Batey wrote: > STABILITY: is Debian a good choice for heavy lifting? There are some legit concerns regarding the Linux kernel as opposed to the *BSD kernels as far as heavy lifting goes, but if you're considering Debian, then you probably feel that

Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-11-20 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
[Please do not waste bandwidth with HTML mail] On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 13:28:36 -0600, David Batey wrote: > I'm with an ISP having about 300 customers who use our servers for DNS, > HTTP, POP, SMTP, and on one server we have FrontPage extensions running. > We're wondering about Debian's scalabilit

Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-11-20 Thread Dmitriy
On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:05:42PM -0500, jeff wrote: > dear DD, > > before you go and delve into the world of new distros, you need only break > down your whole questionaire into one simple complete thought... > > my man, debian is fine for all of your tasks...the real question is, are you > r

Re: ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-11-20 Thread jeff
dear DD, before you go and delve into the world of new distros, you need only break down your whole questionaire into one simple complete thought... my man, debian is fine for all of your tasks...the real question is, are you ready for debian? DNS, webserver, email, and all the other fun stuff

ISP asking about switching to Debian from OpenBSD

2001-11-20 Thread David Batey
I work at a midwest ISP, and we've got an opportunity to switchfrom an older openBSD to something more recent -- and apparentlyupgrading to the current openBSD might be as much of a chore asswitching to something entirely different, such as Debian.I realize that is probably a FAQ; even so th