Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> Can i have a regular desktop Debian without an MTA?
>
yes. install 'nullmailer' via aptitude. i use it on my laptops.
(haven't read all the posts yet, so someone might have already suggested
this)
Preston
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On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 01/31/2009 07:28 PM, Aneurin Price wrote:
>>
...
>>
>> I'm curious however what it is you have installed that depends on exim, or
>> the
>> mail-transport-agent virtual package. I have no MTA installed on my
>> machine, and
>> no breakages.
> Sorry, that should be
>
>$ aptitude search '?installed?depends(?name(^mail-transport-agent$))'
>
> to restrict it to installed packages and to make extra-sure nothing
> else sneaks in.
Before i saw your second post i ran:
$ aptitude search '?depends(mail-transport-agent)' |grep ^i
i A at
On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 04:30:49PM -0800, Daniel Burrows
was heard to say:
> $ aptitude search '?depends(mail-transport-agent)'
Sorry, that should be
$ aptitude search '?installed?depends(?name(^mail-transport-agent$))'
to restrict it to installed packages and to make extra-sure no
On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 03:24:57AM +, Nuno Magalhães
was heard to say:
> > Would you mind posting the output of 'aptitude why mail-transfer-agent' or
> > 'aptitude why exim', whichever is more enlightening?
>
> $ aptitude why mail-transport-agent
> i lsb Depends lsb-core
> i A lsb-cor
On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 03:21:24PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
[snip]
>
> For now i'll stick with Florian Kulzer's suggestion of reducing DNS,
> since that's the main issue for me (slow booting).
if its a start up problem, and you are not really using the mta why not
go
update-rc.d -f exim4 r
On 02/01/2009 12:49 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
[snip]
I never said server machines can't run client applications. But the
term "server" has always referred to machines who's main purpose is to
provide services to other machines (clients).
As I said - it has been that way for the more than 40
Martin Kraus wrote:
On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 08:34:46AM -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 01/31/2009 09:24 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
[snip]
main concern. I guess having an MTA is a side-effect of the whole
client/server thing; prejucide or not it's an opinion.
That's Windows-thi
Hi,
On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 03:21:24PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
...
> Back to exim, if i have X i have x11-common (and i also have avahi)
> therefore i apaprently must have lsb, which i believe is a metapackage
> for lsb-* (i have base, core, cxx, etc installed). So apaprently i
> can't just r
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
>
> The way i see it, most "regular users" either use webmail, or an MUA
> to conenct to webmail accounts. Technicaly speaking, i think there
> should be a way to configure mail-dependant programs to either use an
> MTA or use a regular syslog
Hi,
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 09:58:01PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> I use webmail, i'm not running a mail server. At most i'd use an MUA
> to comunicate with whichever mail services i use. However, i must have
> exim4 installed. How can i work around this? Regardless of how much
I don't consider myself windows-centric. I've been using Debian at
home since Woody and even though i'm not afraid of the command prompt
i don't consider myself a power-user either (i'll get there). The
point being yes, i know what clients and servers are and agree with
Martin Kraus' definition, wh
On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 08:34:46AM -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 01/31/2009 09:24 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> main concern. I guess having an MTA is a side-effect of the whole
>>> client/server thing; prejucide or not it's an opinion.
>>
>> That's Windows-think
I wrote:
> No. Lsb is an "extra" package that you almost certainly don't need unless
> you are running LSB-compliant closed-source software. LSB stands for
> "Linux Standard Base". Google it.
Tzafrir Cohen writes:
> 'aptitude rdepends lsb-base' gives results such as avahi-daemon,
> apache2.2-co
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 01/31/2009 09:24 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
[snip]
main concern. I guess having an MTA is a side-effect of the whole
client/server thing; prejucide or not it's an opinion.
That's Windows-think to say whether a *computer* s a client or server.
Such a mindset needs to be b
Nuno Magalhães:
>> Would you mind posting the output of 'aptitude why mail-transfer-agent' or
>> 'aptitude why exim', whichever is more enlightening?
>
> $ aptitude why mail-transport-agent
> i lsb Depends lsb-core
> i A lsb-core Depends exim4 | mail-transport-agent
Thanks a lot for showin
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 09:55:50PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Nuno writes:
> > I assume lsb includes cron and other base-level tools that require mail
> > functionality.
>
> No. Lsb is an "extra" package that you almost certainly don't need unless
> you are running LSB-compliant closed-source so
On 01/31/2009 09:24 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
[snip]
main concern. I guess having an MTA is a side-effect of the whole
client/server thing; prejucide or not it's an opinion.
That's Windows-think to say whether a *computer* s a client or
server. Such a mindset needs to be banished to get full
Nuno writes:
> I assume lsb includes cron and other base-level tools that require mail
> functionality.
No. Lsb is an "extra" package that you almost certainly don't need unless
you are running LSB-compliant closed-source software. LSB stands for
"Linux Standard Base". Google it.
> Is this "al
> Would you mind posting the output of 'aptitude why mail-transfer-agent' or
> 'aptitude why exim', whichever is more enlightening?
$ aptitude why mail-transport-agent
i lsb Depends lsb-core
i A lsb-core Depends exim4 | mail-transport-agent
Same results if i why on exim4. I assume lsb incl
Nye writes:
> I'm curious however what it is you have installed that depends on exim,
> or the mail-transport-agent virtual package.
bsd-mailx is standard and depends on mail-transport-agent. You can, of
course, remove bsd-mailx though this anti-MTA prejudice baffles me.
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2009/2/1 Nuno Magalhães :
> I like the client/server approach but this MTA stuff is kind of
> annoying for regular desktop use. Is there a bogus MTA? One that'll
> pretend to be one and accept stuff from its clients but basically
> /dev/null everything?
I like nullmailer,
since you don't seem to
On 01/31/2009 07:28 PM, Aneurin Price wrote:
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions.
For now i'll try restraining DNS. Whenever the loss of mouse pointer
"forces" me to reboot again i'll see it it works :) If not, either
getting it out of the init scri
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions.
>
> For now i'll try restraining DNS. Whenever the loss of mouse pointer
> "forces" me to reboot again i'll see it it works :) If not, either
> getting it out of the init scripts o switching to another MTA.
>
> I l
Thanks for the suggestions.
For now i'll try restraining DNS. Whenever the loss of mouse pointer
"forces" me to reboot again i'll see it it works :) If not, either
getting it out of the init scripts o switching to another MTA.
I like the client/server approach but this MTA stuff is kind of
annoyi
* Nuno Magalhães [2009 Jan 31 16:00 -0600]:
> Can i have a regular desktop Debian without an MTA?
Difficult, but try the esmtp package. It is very light weight and only
runs when actually needed.
- Nate >>
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On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 16:12:24 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 01/31/2009 03:58 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
>> Greetings.
>>
>> I use webmail, i'm not running a mail server. At most i'd use an MUA
>> to comunicate with whichever mail services i use. However, i must have
>> exim4 installed. How can i
Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 01/31/2009 03:58 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
>> Can i have a regular desktop Debian without an MTA?
>
> Linux? No.
>
Please, don't overestimate :) Base system is also Linux, though it doesn't
contain any MTA
for the obvious reasons.
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On 01/31/2009 03:58 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
Greetings.
I use webmail, i'm not running a mail server. At most i'd use an MUA
to comunicate with whichever mail services i use. However, i must have
exim4 installed. How can i work around this? Regardless of how much
resources it requires i find it
On Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 21:58:01 +, Nuno Magalh??es wrote:
> How can i work around this? Regardless of how much
> resources it requires i find it irritating. The real nudge is having
> "Starting MTA: " lagging by boot by half a minute or so.
You need one, as far as the system is concerned, t
Greetings.
I use webmail, i'm not running a mail server. At most i'd use an MUA
to comunicate with whichever mail services i use. However, i must have
exim4 installed. How can i work around this? Regardless of how much
resources it requires i find it irritating. The real nudge is having
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