Greg writes:
> The use of "directory" in the Unix sense predates graphical UI
> development.
> ...
> ...
The whole point of the desktop metaphor was to hide all of that from the
user. I'm not defending it: just describing a bit of its history.
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John Hasler
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA
Alexander V. Makartsev (12023-11-03):
> Personally, I don't see the problem, because I was talking to people not
> Unix user interfaces.
You talk TO people ABOUT Unix user interface.
--
Nicolas George
On 03.11.2023 08:17, Greg Wooledge wrote:
Calling these things "folders" discards all of this history and
knowledge.
But the real problem with calling them "folders" is that it doesn't
match the Unix user interface.
Personally, I don't see the problem, because I was talking to people not
Unix u
On 11/3/23 06:17, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 12:16:54PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
This was in the 1970s when the graphical UI was being invented. The
idea was that the screen was to look like an actual desktop which might
have actual file folders on it. Every icon was suppo
On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 08:37:22PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
[...]
> This discussion went into the weeds rather quickly.
If you don't like the weeds... stay out of them :)
For the rest, the discussion is an interesting excursion into
computer history and culture.
> Next they will tell you w
On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 12:16:54PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> This was in the 1970s when the graphical UI was being invented. The
> idea was that the screen was to look like an actual desktop which might
> have actual file folders on it. Every icon was supposed to be an image
> of a familiar off
I wrote:
> It comes from the Xerox "desktop metaphor". The idea was to hide scary
> technical jargon behind familiar office jargon.
Loris Bennett wrote:
> Personally I don't see "directory" as being more scary or technical
> than "folder". They are both words from the pre-computer age which
> ha
On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 3:18 AM Loris Bennett wrote:
>
> writes:
>
> > I concur with Nicolas: every time you say "folder", a unicorn dies.
>
> What's the objection to 'folder'? I don't use it myself, but it seems
> fairly reasonable to me. Many desktop environments use an old hanging
> folder ic
> "Loris Bennett" wrote:
> > Personally I don't see "directory" as being more scary or technical
> > than "folder".
Apparently, Americans are scared of words with more than two syllables.
debian-u...@howorth.org.uk (12023-11-02):
> While I belong to the 'directory is the correct term' school of
"Loris Bennett" wrote:
> writes:
>
> > On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 09:12:45AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> >> Loris Bennett wrote:
> >> > What's the objection to 'folder'? I don't use it myself, but it
> >> > seems fairly reasonable to me. Many desktop environments use an
> >> > old hanging fol
writes:
> On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 09:12:45AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
>> Loris Bennett wrote:
>> > What's the objection to 'folder'? I don't use it myself, but it seems
>> > fairly reasonable to me. Many desktop environments use an old hanging
>> > folder icon in their file browsers.
>>
>> to
On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 09:12:45AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Loris Bennett wrote:
> > What's the objection to 'folder'? I don't use it myself, but it seems
> > fairly reasonable to me. Many desktop environments use an old hanging
> > folder icon in their file browsers.
>
> tomas writes:
> > Th
Loris Bennett wrote:
> What's the objection to 'folder'? I don't use it myself, but it seems
> fairly reasonable to me. Many desktop environments use an old hanging
> folder icon in their file browsers.
tomas writes:
> This is Microsoft jargon.
It comes from the Xerox "desktop metaphor". The i
Hi,
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > I concur with Nicolas: every time you say "folder", a unicorn dies.
Loris Bennett wrote:
> In German there are also two words: 'Ordner' (folder/binder) and
> 'Verzeichnis' (directory/catalogue). People also use both more or less
> interchangeably.
But if you say
On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 09:59:20 +0100
Nicolas George wrote:
Michael Kjörling (12023-11-02):
I don't have a reference handy, but I do distinctly recall reading
that Microsoft introduced the term "folder" specifically to also be
able to refer to a concept of "something which is _not_ a directory
but
Michael Kjörling (12023-11-02):
> I don't have a reference handy, but I do distinctly recall reading
> that Microsoft introduced the term "folder" specifically to also be
> able to refer to a concept of "something which is _not_ a directory
> but containing a collection of some kind of items".
>
>
On 2 Nov 2023 08:54 +0100, from to...@tuxteam.de:
>> What's the objection to 'folder'? I don't use it myself, but it seems
>> fairly reasonable to me. Many desktop environments use an old hanging
>> folder icon in their file browsers.
>
> This is Microsoft jargon. Eek.
I don't have a reference
On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 07:50:16AM +0100, Loris Bennett wrote:
> writes:
>
> > I concur with Nicolas: every time you say "folder", a unicorn dies.
>
> What's the objection to 'folder'? I don't use it myself, but it seems
> fairly reasonable to me. Many desktop environments use an old hanging
>
Hi.
On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 07:50:16AM +0100, Loris Bennett wrote:
> writes:
>
> > I concur with Nicolas: every time you say "folder", a unicorn dies.
>
> What's the objection to 'folder'?
$ mkdir /tmp/4
$ stat /tmp/4 | head -2
File: /tmp/4
Size: 4096Blocks: 8
writes:
> I concur with Nicolas: every time you say "folder", a unicorn dies.
What's the objection to 'folder'? I don't use it myself, but it seems
fairly reasonable to me. Many desktop environments use an old hanging
folder icon in their file browsers.
In German there are also two words: 'Or
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