Re: Horrifying suggestion

2000-11-02 Thread Peter Hugosson-Miller
Andrew Dixon wrote: > HI All, > > I have a question on the go-gnome debate. Is there > any advantage to using: > > #go-gnome > > as opposed to: > > #apt-get install task-helix-gnome The advantage with go-gnome is only for _real_ newbies, who haven't yet learned how to use an editor, or

Re: Horrifying suggestion

2000-11-02 Thread Andrew Dixon
HI All, I have a question on the go-gnome debate. Is there any advantage to using: #go-gnome as opposed to: #apt-get install task-helix-gnome I tried out helix-gnome using apt-get, setting up the sources.list file as described on helix-code's website and found it to work well this way

Re: Horrifying suggestion

2000-11-02 Thread Ethan Benson
On Thu, Nov 02, 2000 at 11:53:48AM +0100, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > > > $ lynx -source http://go-gnome.com/ > /usr/bin/go-gnome > > > > > but then again you should not run lynx as root! > > Actually, the root login comes later down in my suggestion ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] eb]$ ls -l /usr

Re: Horrifying suggestion

2000-11-02 Thread Peter Hugosson-Miller
I know I said it's time to close this thread, but Ethan came up with some good points, so I'll just answer them, and (hopefully) be done. Ethan Benson wrote: > On Thu, Nov 02, 2000 at 10:48:19AM +0100, Peter Hugosson-Miller > wrote: > > > Perhaps a better description of how to use go-gnome might

Re: Horrifying suggestion

2000-11-02 Thread Ethan Benson
On Thu, Nov 02, 2000 at 10:48:19AM +0100, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > Perhaps a better description of how to use go-gnome might look a bit > like this (just guessing - please don't try this unless Ethan says > it is OK!): > > $ lynx -source http://go-gnome.com/ > /usr/bin/go-gnome don't put

Re: Horrifying suggestion

2000-11-02 Thread Peter Hugosson-Miller
Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 06:04:52PM +0100, Peter Hugosson-Miller > wrote: > > > That depends on whether you consider you can trust helixcode or > > not. "arbitrary" to me means "selected at random", but that might > > just be my bad English, I suppose. > > Actually, 'arbi

Re: Horrifying suggestion

2000-11-01 Thread Edward Craig
Pardon me, but the question isn't whether Debian supports newbies, it's how Debian supports newbies, people who acquire Debian without local support available for love nor money. They're out there. You see more and more clueless pleas on all Linux lists, and they will learn, but dev

Re: Horrifying suggestion

2000-11-01 Thread Ethan Benson
On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 02:25:48PM -0500, David Zoll wrote: > > > Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > [snip] > > Sarcasm noted. What you really mean is "Debian is not for newbies". > > Well we all know that. I happen to have discovered that this might no > > longer be the case... > > Debian is very m

Re: Horrifying suggestion

2000-11-01 Thread Ethan Benson
On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 06:04:52PM +0100, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > That depends on whether you consider you can trust helixcode or not. > "arbitrary" to me means "selected at random", but that might just be > my bad English, I suppose. read my original message, trusting helix is a very sm

Re: Horrifying suggestion

2000-11-01 Thread David Zoll
Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: [snip] > Sarcasm noted. What you really mean is "Debian is not for newbies". > Well we all know that. I happen to have discovered that this might no > longer be the case... Debian is very much for newbies, I've set up a friend with Debian & Helix GNOME, and he really

Re: Horrifying suggestion

2000-11-01 Thread Peter Hugosson-Miller
Ethan Benson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 01:33:45PM +0100, Peter Hugosson-Miller > wrote: > > > Ethan Benson wrote: > > > > > teaching newbies how to run arbitrary code as root on there > > > machine without having the slightest idea what it is going > > > to do is a bad idea. the fact tha

Re: Horrifying suggestion

2000-11-01 Thread Ethan Benson
On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 01:33:45PM +0100, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > Ethan Benson wrote: > > > teaching newbies how to run arbitrary code as root on there machine > > without having the slightest idea what it is going to do is a bad > > idea. the fact that this is targeted at newbies makes it

Re: Horrifying suggestion

2000-11-01 Thread Peter Hugosson-Miller
Ethan Benson wrote: > teaching newbies how to run arbitrary code as root on there machine > without having the slightest idea what it is going to do is a bad > idea. the fact that this is targeted at newbies makes it WORSE. Well I'm certainly not advocating the above. All my suggestion did was

Re: Horrifying suggestion

2000-11-01 Thread Ethan Benson
On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 10:25:17AM +0100, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > > Whoa, Ethan! This part was clearly marked as of interest for newbies > only. Yes, all your points are valid, but the key question here is "Do teaching newbies how to run arbitrary code as root on there machine without ha

Re: Horrifying suggestion

2000-11-01 Thread Peter Hugosson-Miller
Ethan Benson wrote: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 06:17:17PM +0100, Peter Hugosson-Miller > wrote: > > > sounds interesting to any other newbies, just do the following: > > > > $su > > Password: > > lynx -source http://go-gnome.com/ | sh > > this is the most horrifying thing i have ever seen suggeste