Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread Bob Crochelt
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, at 10:14, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 09 August 2019 07:59:07 Bob Crochelt wrote: > > > Gene, > > I’m scheduled for some heart rewiring myself. Good luck to the both of > > us! Bob Crochelt > > My heart guy is out of the country till around Sept 1. So I'm takeing an >

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude

2019-08-09 Thread Brian
On Fri 09 Aug 2019 at 09:57:00 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2019-08-09 at 09:46, John Hasler wrote: > > > Étienne writes: > > > >> ...profanity... > > > > Profanity is a matter of context. As used in this discussion "shit" > > is just a synonym for "manure". > > To be pedantic, "shit" isn'

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude

2019-08-09 Thread Étienne Mollier
John Hasler, on 2019-08-09: > The Wanderer writes: > > Profanity deals with matters religious. > > Originally, yes. The definitions of all three words have been broadened > in common use so as to make them synonyms to most people. That is without mentioning translations. The idea carried by the

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude

2019-08-09 Thread deloptes
The Wanderer wrote: > To be pedantic, "shit" isn't profanity in the first place; it's > vulgarity. > > Profanity deals with matters religious. > > Obscenity deals with matters sexual. > > Vulgarity deals with matters involving other bodily functions, i.e., > primarily matters scatological. > >

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude

2019-08-09 Thread John Hasler
The Wanderer writes: > Profanity deals with matters religious. Originally, yes. The definitions of all three words have been broadened in common use so as to make them synonyms to most people. Étienne writes: > Interesting! If agreement there is on this definition, then this > would explain the

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 09 August 2019 07:59:07 Bob Crochelt wrote: > Gene, > I’m scheduled for some heart rewiring myself. Good luck to the both of > us! Bob Crochelt My heart guy is out of the country till around Sept 1. So I'm takeing an extra half a 7.5gr warfarin pill a day to ward off another clot/bloc

Re: Helpful attitude

2019-08-09 Thread Richard Owlett
On 08/08/2019 03:12 PM, Curt wrote: On 2019-08-08, Dan Ritter wrote: I think you are missing the point: When someone asks a question on this list, then that someone gets to decide what the question is. To which Curt replied: The questioner gets to decide what the question is, and the answe

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude

2019-08-09 Thread Étienne Mollier
The Wanderer, on 2019-08-09: > On 2019-08-09 at 09:46, John Hasler wrote: > > > Étienne writes: > > > >> ...profanity... > > > > Profanity is a matter of context. As used in this discussion "shit" > > is just a synonym for "manure". > > To be pedantic, "shit" isn't profanity in the first place; it

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude

2019-08-09 Thread Larry Martell
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:57 AM The Wanderer wrote: > > On 2019-08-09 at 09:46, John Hasler wrote: > > > Étienne writes: > > > >> ...profanity... > > > > Profanity is a matter of context. As used in this discussion "shit" > > is just a synonym for "manure". > > To be pedantic, "shit" isn't profani

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude

2019-08-09 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-08-09 at 09:46, John Hasler wrote: > Étienne writes: > >> ...profanity... > > Profanity is a matter of context. As used in this discussion "shit" > is just a synonym for "manure". To be pedantic, "shit" isn't profanity in the first place; it's vulgarity. Profanity deals with matters r

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread Étienne Mollier
tomás, on 2019-08-09: > On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 12:24:41PM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote: [...] > >My message was actually addressed to anyone > > on the list, especially some writers with stronger language than > > usual, but I can't recall you being part of this set. Yes, I

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude

2019-08-09 Thread John Hasler
Étienne writes: > ...profanity... Profanity is a matter of context. As used in this discussion "shit" is just a synonym for "manure". -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread tomas
On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 12:24:41PM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote: [...] > Good morning tomás, > > Sincere apologies if you took it personally, No worries, I didn't. Not as an offense, by the least. No need to apoligize. > I did not intend to > targe

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread Bob Crochelt
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, at 03:15, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 08 August 2019 18:01:01 ghe wrote: > > > On 8/8/19 4:39 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > I also hear stories about people, using Raspberry Pi Systems as > > > Servers. > > > > At least a 3+, on a T1, with a good UPS, well backed up,

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread Étienne Mollier
> On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 11:12:22AM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote: > > tomás, on 2019-08-09: > > > (Yes, and there's some hidden message in my seemingly OT comment, > > > but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;-) > > > > Oh my ${DEITY}, once you see it, you cannot "un-see" it... > > > >

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread tomas
On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 11:12:22AM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote: > tomás, on 2019-08-09: > > (Yes, and there's some hidden message in my seemingly OT comment, > > but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;-) > > Oh my ${DEITY}, once you see it, you cannot "un-see" it... > > It sounds like

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread Étienne Mollier
tomás, on 2019-08-09: > (Yes, and there's some hidden message in my seemingly OT comment, > but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;-) Oh my ${DEITY}, once you see it, you cannot "un-see" it... It sounds like a good opportunity to recall the code of conduct of the list; in addition to o

[OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread tomas
[...] > No, > I am helping the OP. As one wise man said once: from shit you can make only > shit [...] This wise man didn't know about agriculture, then. (Yes, and there's some hidden message in my seemingly OT comment, but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;-) Nevermind, cheers --

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 08 August 2019 18:01:01 ghe wrote: > On 8/8/19 4:39 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > I also hear stories about people, using Raspberry Pi Systems as > > Servers. > > At least a 3+, on a T1, with a good UPS, well backed up, and with > clones of hardware and software near at hand. And runni

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread ghe
On 8/8/19 4:39 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote: > I also hear stories about people, using Raspberry Pi Systems as Servers. At least a 3+, on a T1, with a good UPS, well backed up, and with clones of hardware and software near at hand. And running Debian. Under those conditions, they do just fine. --

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread deloptes
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > You might theoretically be helping millions of others reading along who > appreciate your continued inout about a derived subject - but it is more > sensible to me, and more visible to those who want that help, if you > change the subject line to match your derived topic.

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread Curt
On 2019-08-08, Dan Ritter wrote: >> >> I think you are missing the point: When someone asks a question on this >> list, then that someone gets to decide what the question is. > > Sure. But they also bear the burden of communicating precisely > what it is that they are asking for, and accepting

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread Judah Richardson
My experience with Linux forums over the years is that more effort is spent trying to find reasons to call people asking questions lazy and stupid (or dissing Windows/Windows users when the OP never even mentioned either) than actually helping them. So far this mailing list is below average on tha

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting deloptes (2019-08-08 17:13:03) > Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Reading the whole initial post (not only first half) is good too ;-) > > But please, I tried to make the statement more precise, cause the > first half contradicts the second. Of course you could use any > hardware that runs li

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread deloptes
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Indeed. > > Reading the whole initial post (not only first half) is good too ;-) But please, I tried to make the statement more precise, cause the first half contradicts the second. Of course you could use any hardware that runs linux as a server, but putting those dema

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Dan Ritter (2019-08-08 16:19:37) > Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Question was not "please advice on buying what you consider a > > server" but "please advice on buying what original poster considers > > a server". > > A bit of elucidation was in order, since to many people "server > hard

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread Dan Ritter
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Kenneth Parker (2019-08-08 12:39:35) > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 4:50 AM Nicolas George wrote: > > > > > deloptes (12019-08-08): > > > > Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as > > > > server: > > > > > > > > > I have observed that contributor

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, August 08, 2019 04:50:31 AM Nicolas George wrote: > deloptes (12019-08-08): > > Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as server: > > > I have observed that contributors on this mailing-list have a tendency > to fall in two categories: > > - those who try to unders

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Kenneth Parker (2019-08-08 12:39:35) > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 4:50 AM Nicolas George wrote: > > > deloptes (12019-08-08): > > > Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as > > > server: > > > > > > I have observed that contributors on this mailing-list have a > > tendency

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 4:50 AM Nicolas George wrote: > deloptes (12019-08-08): > > Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as server: > > > I have observed that contributors on this mailing-list have a tendency > to fall in two categories: > > - those who try to understand what th

Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread Nicolas George
deloptes (12019-08-08): > Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as server: I have observed that contributors on this mailing-list have a tendency to fall in two categories: - those who try to understand what the original poster says in order to reply in the most helpful mann