Re: Why still heartbleed on Wheezy

2014-04-19 Thread Steve Litt
t; main contrib non-free == > > > > Any ideas how I should proceed? > > > > By checking the revision of the release, rather than just the > internal version number. > > dom@ozzy:~$ dpkg-query -W openssl > openssl

Re: Why still heartbleed on Wheezy

2014-04-19 Thread Steve Litt
ty patches to the current version. Check your package version. > > dpkg -l openssl > > According to the changelog [1], wheezy openssl got the heartbleed > patch on 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 on April 7. The latest version as of this > email is 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7. > > [1] > http://metadata.

Re: Why still heartbleed on Wheezy

2014-04-19 Thread Dom
ng the revision of the release, rather than just the internal version number. dom@ozzy:~$ dpkg-query -W openssl openssl 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 The "deb7u6" is the important bit. The "heartbleed" bug only exists in deb7u4 and earlier. -- Dom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-us

Re: Why still heartbleed on Wheezy

2014-04-19 Thread Jimmy Wu
erver/stevebup# Wheezy is the current stable so they aren't going to update an important library to a new upstream version. Instead they backport security patches to the current version. Check your package version. dpkg -l openssl According to the changelog [1], wheezy openssl got the hea

Why still heartbleed on Wheezy

2014-04-19 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, I installed Wheezy on my backup server, then did this: apt-get update apt-get upgrade root@bupserv:/backupserver/stevebup# openssl version OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 root@bupserv:/backupserver/stevebup# Here's my /etc/apt/sources.list: == # # deb

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-19 Thread Roger Klorese
On Apr 19, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Roger Klorese wrote: > > No, just judginess. And to head off the five hundred self-important follow-ups, sorry for imitating most of the world and top-posting. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Tr

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-19 Thread Roger Klorese
No, just judginess. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 19, 2014, at 11:36 AM, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 09:25:17 -0700 > Roger Klorese wrote: > > Hello Roger, > >> It's not so easy to look like you consistently have three days' growth. > > Chris made his comments, I'm pretty sur

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-19 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 04:20:50 +1200 Chris Bannister wrote: Hello Chris, >Unbelievable! You mean you can buy beard trimmers that make you look as >though you forgot to shave? And people buy them!!! ??? Yes, and yes. >Someone should tell them, it's easily done and you DON'T need a beard >trimmer

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-19 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 09:25:17 -0700 Roger Klorese wrote: Hello Roger, >It's not so easy to look like you consistently have three days' growth. Chris made his comments, I'm pretty sure, heavily tinged with sarcasm. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)ra

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-19 Thread David Guntner
Lisi Reisz grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On Saturday 19 April 2014 17:24:20 David Guntner wrote: >> This discussion would be best continued here: >> >> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic > > And these "suggestions" would too. Just kill the thread if it is > an

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 19 April 2014 17:24:20 David Guntner wrote: > This discussion would be best continued here: > > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopi >c And these "suggestions" would too. Just kill the thread if it is annoying you so much, or go to teh off-topic list.

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-19 Thread Roger Klorese
It's not so easy to look like you consistently have three days' growth. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 19, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Chris Bannister > wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:59:02PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: >> On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 08:11:27 + (UTC) >> Curt wrote: >> >> Hello Curt,

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-19 Thread David Guntner
This discussion would be best continued here: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic Scott Ferguson grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On 19/04/14 19:04, Joe wrote: >> On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:33:43 +1000 >> Scott Ferguson wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Perhaps the solution is not

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-19 Thread David Guntner
This discussion is best continued here: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic Joe grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:33:43 +1000 > Scott Ferguson wrote: > > >> >> Perhaps the solution is not greater bureaucracy to safeguard data >> ignorance,

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-19 Thread David Guntner
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic Scott Ferguson grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On 19/04/14 16:51, Tom Furie wrote:> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 02:33:43PM > +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> On 19/04/14 07:55, Joe wrote: >> As is the light originating inside pe

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-19 Thread David Guntner
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic Tom Furie grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 02:33:43PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 19/04/14 07:55, Joe wrote: > >>> As is the light originating inside peoples' homes and passing out of >>> their wind

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-19 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:59:02PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 08:11:27 + (UTC) > Curt wrote: > > Hello Curt, > > >On 2014-04-18, Steve Litt wrote: > >> * I can successfully shave myself to leave exactly four days growth. > >I've always wondered how those Macintosh fan

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-19 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 02:33:43PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 19/04/14 07:55, Joe wrote: > > As is the light originating inside peoples' homes and passing out of > > their windows. In which case it is arguable that it is perfectly > > acceptable to collect and record that light with a camera

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 19/04/14 19:04, Joe wrote: > On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:33:43 +1000 > Scott Ferguson wrote: > > >> >> Perhaps the solution is not greater bureaucracy to safeguard data >> ignorance, >> > > I certainly wasn't suggesting bureaucracy, Nor did I understand you to be - just commenting on the subject

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-19 Thread Joe
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:33:43 +1000 Scott Ferguson wrote: > > Perhaps the solution is not greater bureaucracy to safeguard data > ignorance, > I certainly wasn't suggesting bureaucracy, my country has more than enough already, and we all know that laws are framed to allow governments to do exa

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 19/04/14 16:51, Tom Furie wrote:> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 02:33:43PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 19/04/14 07:55, Joe wrote: > >>> As is the light originating inside peoples' homes and passing out >>> of their windows. In which case it is arguable that it is >>> perfectly acceptable to co

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Tom Furie
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 02:33:43PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 19/04/14 07:55, Joe wrote: > > As is the light originating inside peoples' homes and passing out of > > their windows. In which case it is arguable that it is perfectly > > acceptable to collect and record that light with a camer

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 19/04/2014 6:08 AM, Roger Klorese wrote: > How much do you think distributors and resellers get when you buy packaged > software in a store or online?! Often times retailers get the raw end of the stick, it's the distys that make the most per sale -- probably like artists with music too often.

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 19/04/14 07:55, Joe wrote: > On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 07:48:13 -0500 > John Hasler wrote: > >> Karl E. Jorgensen writes: >>> Obviously, they had no need to save the actual *traffic*, merely the >>> access point MAC address, signal strength and streetview car >>> location to do this. >> >> In any ca

What we should do (Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...))

2014-04-18 Thread Joel Rees
Okay, the short version of the long post: If you don't know what to do about things like the heartbeat/bleed bug, I'm suggesting we all start contributing more to the projects we regularly use. Learn to code if we haven't. Report bugs. Help with documentation and localization. That's how we redu

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-18 Thread David Guntner
Joel Rees grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > (Reader beware. Length breeds length.) And this whole thread has gone on (and morphed) entirely too long. Please take it to the Debian Offtopic list. http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cr

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-18 Thread Joel Rees
ying to make money on frictionless market exchanges had to write their own, maybe they'd find it a little easier to face the reality about "frictionless". Having said that, it seems to me that the following just reinforces the argument that we all need to take more part in this stuff.

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Roger Klorese
That's hardware, mainly. But margins on PC hardware are terrible too. Software is typically 30% or so. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Andrew McGlashan > wrote: > >> On 19/04/2014 6:08 AM, Roger Klorese wrote: >> How much do you think distributors and resellers get when yo

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Joe
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 07:48:13 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Karl E. Jorgensen writes: > > Obviously, they had no need to save the actual *traffic*, merely the > > access point MAC address, signal strength and streetview car > > location to do this. > > In any case, the traffic was broadcast into pub

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 19/04/2014 6:08 AM, Roger Klorese wrote: > How much do you think distributors and resellers get when you buy packaged > software in a store or online?! Not much, generally, especially Apple distributors -- again because Apple themselves are too greedy and they are big competition to their own

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Roger Klorese
How much do you think distributors and resellers get when you buy packaged software in a store or online?! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Andrew McGlashan > wrote: > >> On 19/04/2014 3:09 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote: >> But, but, you would deprive Apple of that $5.99? Commie

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 19/04/2014 3:09 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > But, but, you would deprive Apple of that $5.99? Commie!!! I must be too, because I have trouble supporting the whole, 'apple *always( gets a cut' deal together with 'apple users will pay more or something, when others may not pay at all' ... Perso

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 09:27:32AM -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: > On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > > > > Or Apple, sacrifices your > > > security by wordsmithing. According to them, they don't get malware, > > their > > > computers just have "unwanted programs." > > > >

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > If you don't want messages you send to go through Gmail don't send > them there. Slavko writes: > Are you participating on the Googles's profit? No. So what? BTW I am subscribed to the list. No need to cc me. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Curt
On 2014-04-18, Martin Read wrote: >> >> I've always wondered how those Macintosh fanboys (and Hollywood >> celebrities, two overlapping sets) accomplished this. > > I assume they use an electric beard trimmer or hair clippers with the > guard removed. > The instructions say never to remove the gu

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:38:31 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: Hello Lisi, >> All the male grooming companies sell beard trimmers that will do >> that. >I never knew that! Thank you Brad for elucidating. Well, being a MacBook fanboy(1) that's walked a few red carpets(2) in my time, I'd *have* to know

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 9:52 PM, John Hasler wrote: > Joel Rees writes: > > If I tried to get my technical mailing lists on the mail account my > > provider gives me, it'd overflow at least once a week, and I'd lose > > valuable non-list mail. > > Free advertising supported services are not the o

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Brad Alexander
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > > Or Apple, sacrifices your > > security by wordsmithing. According to them, they don't get malware, > their > > computers just have "unwanted programs." > > Not ever being an Apple user, I hadn't heard that before. When I read > your pos

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 18 Apr 2014 07:44:54 -0500 John Hasler napísal: > If you don't want > messages you send to go through Gmail don't send them there. Are you participating on the Googles's profit? -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread John Hasler
Joel Rees writes: > If I tried to get my technical mailing lists on the mail account my > provider gives me, it'd overflow at least once a week, and I'd lose > valuable non-list mail. Free advertising supported services are not the only alternative to your ISP. I get my mail via Newsguy. I pay t

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread John Hasler
Karl E. Jorgensen writes: > Obviously, they had no need to save the actual *traffic*, merely the > access point MAC address, signal strength and streetview car location > to do this. In any case, the traffic was broadcast into public space. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA --

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread John Hasler
Slavko writes: > I wrote about processing emails by google, not about processing of > the public archive(s). Or you hope, that disabling archive will stop > google to processing them??? This ML i used as example only. People who receive their email via Gmail choose to do so. Those who send messag

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 18 April 2014 12:59:02 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 08:11:27 + (UTC) > Curt wrote: > > Hello Curt, > > >On 2014-04-18, Steve Litt wrote: > >> * I can successfully shave myself to leave exactly four days > >> growth. > > > >I've always wondered how those Macintosh fanboys

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread John Hasler
Slavko writes: > How many members of this list (for example) want to contribute to the > google knowledge? I don't care one way or the other. The list is public. You are aware that it is archived and that the archive is indexed by the search engines? It is actually *intended* that everyone incl

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Fri, 18 Apr 2014 19:24:20 +1000 Chris Angelico > napísal: > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Slavko wrote: > > > How many members of this list (for example) want to contribute to > > > the google knowledge? By the distributing t

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 08:11:27 + (UTC) Curt wrote: Hello Curt, >On 2014-04-18, Steve Litt wrote: >> * I can successfully shave myself to leave exactly four days growth. >I've always wondered how those Macintosh fanboys (and Hollywood >celebrities, two overlapping sets) accomplished this. R

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Martin Read
On 18/04/14 09:11, Curt wrote: On 2014-04-18, Steve Litt wrote: * I can successfully shave myself to leave exactly four days growth. I've always wondered how those Macintosh fanboys (and Hollywood celebrities, two overlapping sets) accomplished this. I assume they use an electric beard tri

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi This thread is going terribly off-topic, but I could not resist... On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 07:45:38PM +0100, Joe wrote: > Today, not only governments but private companies vacuum up every bit > of data they can find, presumably just because they can. There is > almost certainly a certain amoun

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Slavko wrote: > I wrote about processing emails by google, not about processing of > the public archive(s). Or you hope, that disabling archive will stop > google to processing them??? This ML i used as example only. > > But you can advocate the google's practices

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 18 Apr 2014 19:24:20 +1000 Chris Angelico napísal: > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Slavko wrote: > > How many members of this list (for example) want to contribute to > > the google knowledge? By the distributing this list to gmail > > addresses too... > > I do. It means that

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Slavko wrote: > How many members of this list (for example) want to contribute to the > google knowledge? By the distributing this list to gmail addresses > too... I do. It means that a Google search for any of the topics discussed here will show up results. You d

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:17:28 -0500 John Hasler napísal: > > Take for example current controversies over services > > like Amazon and Google and the "filter bubble": Do you consider it > > harmful for them to tailor your experience to their estimate of > > what you > > They are not given

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Curt
On 2014-04-18, Steve Litt wrote: > > * I can successfully shave myself to leave exactly four days growth. I've always wondered how those Macintosh fanboys (and Hollywood celebrities, two overlapping sets) accomplished this. (Maybe they'll come out with an IRazor so I can achieve a fashionable st

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:15:35 -0700 Robert Holtzman wrote: > Not ever being an Apple user, I hadn't heard that before. When I read > your post, I fell off the chair laughing. One more reason why I doubt > if I will ever use an Apple computer or anything else. I'm going to get a Macbook Air just

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-17 Thread John Hasler
PaulNM writes: > "Optional" for now. More and more these entities are moving away from > using the browser to store identifying info. > https://panopticlick.eff.org Which means that they are relying on information that is under your control. Few people will bother to spoof it and that's good be

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-17 Thread PaulNM
On 04/17/2014 05:17 PM, John Hasler wrote: >> Take for example current controversies over services >> like Amazon and Google and the "filter bubble": Do you consider it >> harmful for them to tailor your experience to their estimate of what you > > They are not given the opportunity to do so. Pa

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-17 Thread John Hasler
> Take for example current controversies over services > like Amazon and Google and the "filter bubble": Do you consider it > harmful for them to tailor your experience to their estimate of what you They are not given the opportunity to do so. Participation in such systems is optional. In this

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-17 Thread Bill Wood
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 14:39 -0500, John Hasler wrote: . . . > I keep information secret when revealing it might harm me. I make no > deliberate effort to keep stuff secret just to prevent it from > benefiting someone else. Of course, that requires the ability to discern when some information m

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-17 Thread John Hasler
Joe writes: > Certainly the case, but it's no longer just 'serious' secrets that > hold an attraction. Just about any kind of information, held about > large enough sets of people, can be of some commercial use. I keep information secret when revealing it might harm me. I make no deliberate effor

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-17 Thread Joe
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:34:35 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Lisi writes: > > I simply don't want the world and his uncle knowing every last > > little thing about me. > > I agree, but you have to realize that for most of us the world and his > uncle are not interested in every little thing about us

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-17 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 09:18:06PM -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: > > Need i switch to proprietary software (yes, i know, that is no > > solution)? > > > > You could, but then, you end up in a situation where a corporate entity > will sacrifice your security for their bottom line, for their next > q

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-17 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 4/17/2014 10:31 AM, Curt wrote: On 2014-04-17, Jerry Stuckle wrote: This is a totally irresponsible post, showing the op knows very little about programming. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_de_Raadt Theo de Raadt (/ˈθiː.oʊ dɛˈrɔːt/; Dutch: [ˈteː.o dɛˈraːt]; born May 19, 1968) is a

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-17 Thread John Hasler
Lisi writes: > I simply don't want the world and his uncle knowing every last little > thing about me. I agree, but you have to realize that for most of us the world and his uncle are not interested in every little thing about us so it requires little effort to keep them from learning it. I think

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-17 Thread Curt
On 2014-04-17, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > This is a totally irresponsible post, showing the op knows very little > about programming. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_de_Raadt Theo de Raadt (/ˈθiː.oʊ dɛˈrɔːt/; Dutch: [ˈteː.o dɛˈraːt]; born May 19, 1968) is a software engineer who lives in Calg

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-17 Thread Brad Alexander
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 3:36 AM, ken wrote: > Steve brings up a very good point, one often overlooked in our zeal for > getting so much FOSS for absolutely no cost. Since we're all given the > source code, we're all in part responsible for it and for improving it. > This ethic should be visited

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-17 Thread Jerry Stuckle
on't think the point is very good for the reasons outlined below (by others). http://www.datamation.com/open-source/does-heartbleed-disprove-open-source-is-safer-1.html Robin Seggelmann, the OpenSSL developer who claims responsibility for Heartbleed, says that both he and a reviewer mis

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-17 Thread Curt
the point is very good for the reasons outlined below (by others). http://www.datamation.com/open-source/does-heartbleed-disprove-open-source-is-safer-1.html Robin Seggelmann, the OpenSSL developer who claims responsibility for Heartbleed, says that both he and a reviewer missed the bug. He con

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 17 April 2014 09:25:01 Slavko wrote: > No problem :-) I know, that my English is poor and is far from > good... Your English is very good. Would that my knowledge of Balkan languages were as good. :-) See my comments on the problems with English in the email that crossed with yours

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 17 April 2014 09:18:14 Slavko wrote: > Sure, you are right. I am aware about own secrets. I am active > (beside other things) in the improving knowledge about > inadvisability of the Internet. And most of people around me > responds, that they havo no things to hide. I have theory why t

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-17 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:15:53 +0100 Lisi Reisz napísal: > > See: "yes, i know, that it is no solution" at end of the cited > > text... > > I obviously misread that. That is not what I took that sentence to > mean. See the word "need". :-) No problem :-) I know, that my English is poor a

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-17 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:18:06 -0400 Brad Alexander napísal: > > I am talking about encryption and the F/OSS in general and i have my > > privacy in the mind. Here exists a lot of people int today world, > > which tell, that they have nothing to hide. > > *Everybody* has something to hide. E

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 17 April 2014 09:01:42 Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Wed, 16 Apr 2014 23:56:43 +0100 Lisi Reisz > > > napísal: > > On Wednesday 16 April 2014 22:43:40 Slavko wrote: > > > Is it a my mistake, that i cannot help with this? Am i > > > expecting a lot? Need i switch to proprietary software

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-17 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Wed, 16 Apr 2014 23:56:43 +0100 Lisi Reisz napísal: > On Wednesday 16 April 2014 22:43:40 Slavko wrote: > > Is it a my mistake, that i cannot help with this? Am i expecting a > > lot? Need i switch to proprietary software (yes, i know, that is no > > solution)? > > And you believe tha

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-17 Thread ken
On 04/16/2014 11:50 PM green wrote: Steve Litt wrote at 2014-04-16 13:05 -0500: I'd feel a lot better with 200 eyes than 4. Even 10 would make me nervous. But the fault is partly mine. I never contributed to the OpenSSL project, either with dollars or eyes. +1 Steve brings up a very good p

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-16 Thread green
Steve Litt wrote at 2014-04-16 13:05 -0500: > I'd feel a lot better with 200 eyes than 4. Even 10 would make me > nervous. > > But the fault is partly mine. I never contributed to the OpenSSL > project, either with dollars or eyes. +1 signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 03:35 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 21:18 -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: > > *Everybody* has something to hide. Everyone. Don't believe me? Offer > > to put a public webcam in their bathroom. :D > > That's why I don't have a webcam in my bathroom and ass

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-16 Thread Wolf Halton
As soon as heartbleed was found, they patched the OpenSSL package. My servers are in the process of being patched and when they are, the SSL certs will be updated. This door was open for a long time when nobody had seen it, but the door was shut and nailed closed as soon as the problem was

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 21:18 -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: > *Everybody* has something to hide. Everyone. Don't believe me? Offer > to put a public webcam in their bathroom. :D That's why I don't have a webcam in my bathroom and assumed my iPad would be connected to the Internet, I would paste a l

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-16 Thread Brad Alexander
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:43 PM, Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > > I am talking about encryption and the F/OSS in general and i have my > privacy in the mind. Here exists a lot of people int today world, which > tell, that they have nothing to hide. *Everybody* has something to hide. Everyone. Don't be

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 16 April 2014 22:43:40 Slavko wrote: > Is it a my mistake, that i cannot help with this? Am i expecting a > lot? Need i switch to proprietary software (yes, i know, that is no > solution)? And you believe that proprietary software is _better_?? :-/ Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-16 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 15 Apr 2014 22:32:26 -0500 Bill Wood napísal: > I've been following this thread since it started, as well as some > other Internet sites that have been mentioned, and I have noticed that > everyone talks about the impact on the financial services sector but > no one has mentioned

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 08:48:01 -0600 Paul E Condon wrote: > On 20140416_0823+, Curt wrote: > > On 2014-04-16, Slavko wrote: > > Robin Seggelmann introduced the bug: > > > > >From the Sydney Morning Herald: > > > > Dr Seggelmann, of Münster in Germany, said the bug which > > introduced the

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-16 Thread Ralph Katz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill Wood wrote: > On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 09:01 -0400, shawn wilson wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 8:54 AM, John Hasler >> wrote: > . . . >>> What is medical identity theft? > > Theft of patient identity information, usually

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-16 Thread Curt
On 2014-04-16, Paul E Condon wrote: >> >> Only four eyes? > > This is a silly rhetorical question. > How many 'eyes' are appropriate for a last, final look? > Many, many eyes had surely already looked at the same code before > this final look. We're talking about code *review*. >From the Syd

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-16 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20140416_0754-0500, John Hasler wrote: > Bill Wood writes: > > I have noticed that everyone talks about the impact on the financial > > services sector but no one has mentioned the health care information > > sector. I understand that healthcare systems use SSL a great deal, > > and medical ide

Re: [OT] Medical identity theft was: Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-16 Thread Karen Lewellen
Perhaps smiles. After all most countries do not associate so much critical information to one number. But many people do not put their private information by choice in places where security of a site is a risk either so. Sorry for the side track smiles. Kare On Wed, 16 Apr 2014, Lisi Reisz wr

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-16 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20140416_0823+, Curt wrote: > On 2014-04-16, Slavko wrote: > > > > If this vulnerability comes not from newbie and was made by intent, > > thing are worse than wrong. Then it is an attack to alone fundamental of > > the free/open software. And what community about this? Where are > > inform

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-16 Thread Bill Wood
On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 09:01 -0400, shawn wilson wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 8:54 AM, John Hasler wrote: . . . > > What is medical identity theft? Theft of patient identity information, usually for the purpose of insurance fraud. > I'd also be interested seeing the proof for the claim (I

[OT] Medical identity theft was: Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 16 April 2014 14:54:03 Karen Lewellen wrote: > I give you an example of medical identity theft. At least how it > can happen stateside. > You are say a senior or someone with a print disability in a > doctor's office. > You must get help completing the forms, and the first question yo

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-16 Thread Karen Lewellen
I give you an example of medical identity theft. At least how it can happen stateside. You are say a senior or someone with a print disability in a doctor's office. You must get help completing the forms, and the first question you must provide is...? your social security umber. Add that you

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-16 Thread shawn wilson
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 8:54 AM, John Hasler wrote: > Bill Wood writes: >> and medical identity theft has risen sharply in recent years. > > What is medical identity theft? I'd also be interested seeing the proof for the claim (I think he means medical data breaches but IDK anyone has disclosed

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-16 Thread John Hasler
Bill Wood writes: > I have noticed that everyone talks about the impact on the financial > services sector but no one has mentioned the health care information > sector. I understand that healthcare systems use SSL a great deal, > and medical identity theft has risen sharply in recent years. What

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-16 Thread Curt
On 2014-04-16, Slavko wrote: > > If this vulnerability comes not from newbie and was made by intent, > thing are worse than wrong. Then it is an attack to alone fundamental of > the free/open software. And what community about this? Where are > information, from who this vulnerability arrived? It

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-15 Thread Slavko
Dňa 16. 4. 2014 1:50 Charles Kroeger wrote / napísal(a): > At this point, the probability is close to one that every target has had > its private keys extracted by multiple intelligence agencies. The real > question is whether or not someone deliberately inserted this bug into > OpenSSL, and

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-15 Thread Bill Wood
risen sharply in recent years. Does anyone know if there have been any exploits of Heartbleed in this sector, or if any healthcare organizations have said anything about fixing the problem? -- Bill Wood -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject o

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-15 Thread Charles Kroeger
ves/2014/04/heartbleed.html Here's the article from Bruce's CRYPT-GRAM from April 15, 2014: Heartbleed Heartbleed is a catastrophic bug in OpenSSL: "The Heartbleed bug allows anyone on the Internet to read the memory of the systems protected by the vulnerable versions of

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-15 Thread Stephen Allen
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 02:11:00PM +1200, Richard Hector wrote: > On 15/04/14 12:59, shawn wilson wrote: > >> That statement was made in the sense that at least the bank could have > >> > issued a statement along the lines of 'you may have heard of the > >>

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-15 Thread Richard Hector
On 14/04/14 23:41, Richard Hector wrote: > The only local bank I've heard any info about is Kiwibank, who are > apparently not vulnerable due to running their systems on Windows. Heh. It turns out my bank, ASB, apparently uses Windows/IIS as well. I have yet to decide whether I'm happy about that.

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-15 Thread Curt
pt that in the case of an uncorrected vulnerability you might then be offering the black hats your new password, whereas they might not have been aware of the old one (before the news broke). Logic would seem to suggest changing passwords for sites with corrected heartbleed vulnerabilities; how to ga

Re: Heartbleed (was ... Re: My fellow (Debian) Linux users ...)

2014-04-15 Thread Martin Steigerwald
#x27;re a bank therefore they're > a financial institution therefore they use IBM mainframes ..." I read that certain banks in Germany had the heartbleed bug and are in the process of fixing it – which they hopefully completed by now. So I recommend to ask your bank whether they ha

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