Re: xorg-server failing on IBM NetVista with Intel 82815 video; was Re (6): Re^n: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-05-22 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, 22 May 2010 03:13:06 -0400 (EDT), Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sat,22.May.10, 00:55:34, David Jardine wrote: >> Stephen Powell wrote: >>> >>> I see. All comments. Which is about the same as not having one. Hmm. >> >> Or is it? I'm as baffled as anyone alse by xorg configuration, but >>

Re: xorg-server failing on IBM NetVista with Intel 82815 video; was Re (6): Re^n: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-05-22 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sat,22.May.10, 00:55:34, David Jardine wrote: > > > > I see. All comments. Which is about the same as not having one. Hmm. > > Or is it? I'm as baffled as anyone alse by xorg configuration, but > can't such a file, blank though it be, override some other config file? > Just a thought. It

Re: xorg-server failing on IBM NetVista with Intel 82815 video; was Re (6): Re^n: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-05-21 Thread David Jardine
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 05:29:18PM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:32:01 -0400 (EDT), Peter Easthope wrote: > > Stephen Powell wrote: > >> Please post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file as well. > > > > It contains only commented lines from previous > > experiments. Hasn't change

Re: xorg-server failing on IBM NetVista with Intel 82815 video; was Re (6): Re^n: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-05-19 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:32:01 -0400 (EDT), Peter Easthope wrote: > Stephen Powell wrote: >> Please post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file as well. > > It contains only commented lines from previous > experiments. Hasn't changed since the log was > recorded. Should be visible here. > > http:

xorg-server failing on IBM NetVista with Intel 82815 video; was Re (6): Re^n: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-05-19 Thread peasthope
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:32:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Powell > Please post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file as well. It contains only commented lines from previous experiments. Hasn't changed since the log was recorded. Should be visible here. http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/dalto

Re: Re (5): Re^n: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-05-19 Thread Stephen Powell
On Tue, 18 May 2010 20:24:47 -0400 (EDT), Peter Easthope wrote: > Stephen Powell wrote: >> ... my employer has [carnot.yi.org] blocked as a "dating" site. ?! > > yi.org provides an server for dynamically updated > addresses. Among the thousands of clients, a few > could be distributing "colorf

Re (5): Re^n: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-05-18 Thread peasthope
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 10:08:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Powell > ... my employer has [carnot.yi.org] blocked as a "dating" site. ?! yi.org provides an server for dynamically updated addresses. Among the thousands of clients, a few could be distributing "colorful" data. http://carnot.pa

Re: Re (4): Re^n: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-05-17 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sun, 16 May 2010 14:13:58 -0400 (EDT), Peter Easthope wrote: > Stephen Powell wrote: >> Your kernel installation environment is not configured correctly for >> use with lilo. That's why you are having trouble upgrading to >> a newer kernel. Assuming that you are using only stock kernel images,

Re (4): Re^n: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-05-16 Thread peasthope
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell wrote, > Your kernel installation environment is not configured correctly for > use with lilo. That's why you are having trouble upgrading to > a newer kernel. Assuming that you are using only stock kernel images, > here is what you sh

Re: Re (3): Re^n: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-05-12 Thread Stephen Powell
On Tue, 11 May 2010 19:29:39 -0400 (EDT), Peter Easthope wrote: > Stephen Powell wrote: >> ... >> "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" >> ... >> I don't understand what problem you are trying to solve. > > But it is broke! > In one sense, the primary problem is failure of X. > > dalton:/home/peter

Re (3): Re^n: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-05-11 Thread peasthope
From: Stephen Powell Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:29:33 -0400 (EDT) > ... > "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" > ... > I don't understand what problem you are trying to solve. But it is broke! In one sense, the primary problem is failure of X. dalton:/home/peter# uname -rv 2.6.30-2-686 #1 SMP

Re: Re (2): Re^n: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-05-11 Thread Stephen Powell
On Mon, 10 May 2010 17:42:25 -0400 (EDT), Peter Easthope wrote: > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> What was the problem? In the text you quoted, there was no reasonable >> change >> that could be made to grub-pc to address the issue; > > Covered in several messages beginning here in debian-user

Re (2): Re^n: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-05-10 Thread peasthope
> What was the problem? In the text you quoted, there was no reasonable change > that could be made to grub-pc to address the issue; Covered in several messages beginning here in debian-user. * Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:04:19 -0700 * Message-id: <171056446.61715.570...@cantor.invali

Re: Re^n: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-05-10 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Monday 10 May 2010 15:57:02 peasth...@shaw.ca wrote: > > [update-grub] is not a bug. The maintainer script for the > > new kernel image package is trying to run update-grub because it is > > being told to do so by entries in /etc/kernel-img.conf. > > Past experience is that an intended straigh

Re^n: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-05-10 Thread peasthope
Stephen, > [update-grub] is not a bug. The maintainer script for the > new kernel image package is trying to run update-grub because it is > being told to do so by entries in /etc/kernel-img.conf. > ... * Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:46:40 -0400 (EDT) * Subject: Re: why does linux imag

Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-04-01 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:08:29 -0400 (EDT), John Hasler wrote: > Stephen Powell writes: >> If there is a bug ... > There clearly is. >> ... But as for it's operation, it is working as designed. > > Design errors are still bugs. Debian bug number 432025 may be of interest to you. This bug was opene

Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-03-31 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:24:12 -0400 (EDT), Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, Mar 31 2010, Stephen Powell wrote: >> As best as I can tell, kernel-package was at one time used by the >> Debian kernel team to create official Debian stock kernel image >> packages. But at some point in the past there wa

Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-03-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Mar 31 2010, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:08:29 -0400 (EDT), John Hasler wrote: >> Stephen Powell wrote: >>> If there is a bug... >> >> There clearly is. >>> >>> But as for it's operation, it is working as designed. >> >> Design errors are still bugs. > > The main diffe

Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-03-31 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:30:05 -0400 (EDT), Peter E. wrote: > > Good of you to give the explanation and instructions > in msg02584.html. My only remaining concern is that, > with this being unfamiliar territory with several > parameters to be adjusted, there appears to be a > non-trivial risk o

Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-03-31 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:08:29 -0400 (EDT), John Hasler wrote: > Stephen Powell wrote: >> If there is a bug... > > There clearly is. >> >> But as for it's operation, it is working as designed. > > Design errors are still bugs. The main difference between a bug and a feature is that a feature is do

Re (2): Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-03-31 Thread peasthope
Stephen, From: Stephen Powell Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:25:49 -0400 (EDT) >http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/03/msg02547.html > > Follow the "Thread Next" link for the solution. Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:23:02 -0400 (EDT) > If there is a bug, it would be that there is no docume

Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-03-31 Thread John Hasler
Stephen Powell writes: > *You* didn't modify /etc/kernel-img.conf; but the *Debian installer*, > on your behalf, *did* modify it during installation when it selected > grub as the bootloader. Changing boot loaders after installation > often requires manually editing this file. > If there is a bug

Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-03-31 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:48:50 -0400 (EDT), briand wrote: > On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:25:49 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: >> This file is classified as a "configuration file", >> and therefore user modifications >> to it are preserved. > > except that I didn't modify it, so it should have been over

Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-03-31 Thread briand
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell wrote: > On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:04:19 -0400 (EDT), Peter E wrote: > > > > As described in discussion a few weeks back, Lilo is installed > > in place of Grub in Squeeze on the IBM NetVista 6578-RAU > > here. That's necessary for now. > >

Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-03-31 Thread Stephen Powell
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:04:19 -0400 (EDT), Peter E wrote: > > As described in discussion a few weeks back, Lilo is installed > in place of Grub in Squeeze on the IBM NetVista 6578-RAU > here. That's necessary for now. > > But then a system update runs update-initramfs which tries > to run upda

Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-03-30 Thread Tom H
> As described in discussion a few weeks back, Lilo is installed > in place of Grub in Squeeze on the IBM NetVista 6578-RAU > here.  That's necessary for now. > But then a system update runs update-initramfs which tries > to run update-grub which is not there.  I should be able > to comment out th

Re (2): Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-03-30 Thread peasthope
From: Ron Johnson Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:23:19 -0500 > compile your own kernel from the Debian > source package, statically linking the modules that you need at boot > time. That way, you don't need an initramfs. OK, thanks. Depending on time available and when X is working again, I m

Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2010-03-30 17:04, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote: As described in discussion a few weeks back, Lilo is installed in place of Grub in Squeeze on the IBM NetVista 6578-RAU here. That's necessary for now. But then a system update runs update-initramfs which tries to run update-grub which is not the

Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

2010-03-30 Thread peasthope
As described in discussion a few weeks back, Lilo is installed in place of Grub in Squeeze on the IBM NetVista 6578-RAU here. That's necessary for now. But then a system update runs update-initramfs which tries to run update-grub which is not there. I should be able to comment out the update