On 12/6/13, Reco wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 11:54:43AM +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>> Ralf Mardorf writes:
>> > On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 14:02 +0400, Reco wrote:
>> > > On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:09:02AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> > > > GTK is a PITA and will always cause similar warni
> acceleration. Mine doesn't. And the native GNOME 3 interface is
> > apparently unusable with such an X driver.
> >
> > Goodbye, GNOME. Hello, XFCE. I hope Debian will make XFCE the
> > default desktop for the production jessie installer.
>
> You c
On 12/06/2013 02:44 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 14:04 -0800, Gary Roach wrote:
After reading through this topic I find myself ask what happened to KDE.
I know its old and is probably bloated. But, with 500 GB of disk space,
4GB of RAM and a 4 processor CPU, who cares. Its solid
On Friday, December 06, 2013 05:04:49 PM Gary Roach wrote:
> On 12/06/2013 01:56 AM, Reco wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:35:30AM +0100, François Patte wrote:
> with acroread (on start):
>
> (acroread:30504): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in
> module_path:
On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 14:04 -0800, Gary Roach wrote:
> After reading through this topic I find myself ask what happened to KDE.
> I know its old and is probably bloated. But, with 500 GB of disk space,
> 4GB of RAM and a 4 processor CPU, who cares. Its solid. I like it and
> have never liked Gno
On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 14:04:49 -0800
Gary Roach wrote:
> >
> After reading through this topic I find myself ask what happened to
> KDE. I know its old and is probably bloated. But, with 500 GB of disk
> space, 4GB of RAM and a 4 processor CPU, who cares. Its solid. I like
> it and have never liked
On 12/06/2013 01:56 AM, Reco wrote:
On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:35:30AM +0100, François Patte wrote:
with acroread (on start):
(acroread:30504): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in
module_path: "xfce",
The acroread needs i386 libraries from gtk2-engines-xfce package.
If I try to i
On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 11:57:55 +0200
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 06 dec 13, 08:20:56, Joe wrote:
> >
> > I had used the fallback mode, but I then wandered off and tried Xfce
> > and LXDE, and stayed with the latter. It's a pig to get the Debian
> > menu to display on LXDE, if you use that, and I
On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 19:40 +, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 11:54:28 +0100
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>
> > I'm sorry, I can't contribute more to this thread, since I already
> > pointed everything out.
> >
>
> OK, that's a good one.
And it's meant with a ";)". But I really thought it won
On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 11:54:28 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I'm sorry, I can't contribute more to this thread, since I already
> pointed everything out.
>
OK, that's a good one.
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On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 17:19 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> That does not mean that I am against graphic output. Ralf's sound
> samples and my graphs and icons are graphical objects. With you can
> have several terminals and copy and paste text among each other.
>
> What I don't like is the posit
On Thu 05 Dec 2013 at 18:24:13 -0500, Bo Lan wrote:
> Although I am not sure if XFCE or LXDE is good or bad, I am kind of
> agree with your opinion about the usability under such an free X driver.
> According to Debian's policy, Debian is an organization that highly
> respects completely free soft
Reco writes:
> On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 11:54:43AM +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > Ralf Mardorf writes:
> > > On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 14:02 +0400, Reco wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:09:02AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > > > GTK is a PITA and will always cause similar warnings
Ralf Mardorf writes:
> On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 11:54 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > Ralf Mardorf writes:
> > > On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 14:02 +0400, Reco wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:09:02AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > > > GTK is a PITA and will always cause similar warnings
On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 11:54:43AM +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf writes:
> > On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 14:02 +0400, Reco wrote:
> > > On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:09:02AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > > GTK is a PITA and will always cause similar warnings,
> > >
> > > I disagree.
On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 11:54 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf writes:
> > On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 14:02 +0400, Reco wrote:
> > > On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:09:02AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > > GTK is a PITA and will always cause similar warnings,
> > >
> > > I disagree. My .xse
Ralf Mardorf writes:
> On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 14:02 +0400, Reco wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:09:02AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > GTK is a PITA and will always cause similar warnings,
> >
> > I disagree. My .xsession-errors does not contain similar warnings.
>
> What DE do you u
On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 14:26 +0400, Reco wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 12:17:20PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Vi, 06 dec 13, 11:12:37, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 14:02 +0400, Reco wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:09:02AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > >
> > >
On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 11:36 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 14:23 +0400, Reco wrote:
> > I just stay clear of anything that's linked against
> > libgconf.so.
>
> The real issues are caused by libdconf, libgconf is quasi obsolet. I
> already must install libdconf for audio producti
On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 12:17 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 06 dec 13, 11:12:37, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 14:02 +0400, Reco wrote:
> > > On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:09:02AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> > > > Very likely that
> > > > even GNOME doesn't continue using GTK
On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 12:17:20PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 06 dec 13, 11:12:37, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 14:02 +0400, Reco wrote:
> > > On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:09:02AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> > > > This are not Xfce, KDE
> > > > etc. bugs and they are
On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 11:12:37AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 14:02 +0400, Reco wrote:
> > I disagree. My .xsession-errors does not contain similar warnings.
>
> What DE do you use? It's new to me that there aren't those issues
> outside GNOME. There's nothing the other DEs
On Vi, 06 dec 13, 11:12:37, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 14:02 +0400, Reco wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:09:02AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> > > This are not Xfce, KDE
> > > etc. bugs and they are also not Debian related, this is caused by
> > > GTK/GNOME upstream's ignora
On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 14:02 +0400, Reco wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:09:02AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > GTK is a PITA and will always cause similar warnings,
>
> I disagree. My .xsession-errors does not contain similar warnings.
What DE do you use? It's new to me that there aren't those
Le 06/12/2013 10:52, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
> On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 10:35 +0100, François Patte wrote:
>> Le 06/12/2013 09:51, Reco a écrit :
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 09:39:03AM +0100, François Patte wrote:
It could a nice choice, but there are many things to fix! I made the
On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:09:02AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> GTK is a PITA and will always cause similar warnings,
I disagree. My .xsession-errors does not contain similar warnings.
> but GTK also does
> cause really serious issues, if you e.g. launch a GNOME editor with root
> privileges, th
On Vi, 06 dec 13, 12:29:14, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> >
> > Maybe there's a wiki page on the topic? If not, maybe we could start one?
>
> Or debian-ot@... :)
Why off-topic? This is Debian related.
Kind regards,
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On Vi, 06 dec 13, 08:20:56, Joe wrote:
>
> I had used the fallback mode, but I then wandered off and tried Xfce
> and LXDE, and stayed with the latter. It's a pig to get the Debian menu
> to display on LXDE, if you use that, and I don't know if Xfce has the
> same trouble.
I seem to recall you me
On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:35:30AM +0100, François Patte wrote:
> >> with acroread (on start):
> >>
> >> (acroread:30504): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in
> >> module_path: "xfce",
> >
> > The acroread needs i386 libraries from gtk2-engines-xfce package.
>
> If I try to install t
On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 10:35 +0100, François Patte wrote:
> Le 06/12/2013 09:51, Reco a écrit :
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 09:39:03AM +0100, François Patte wrote:
> >> It could a nice choice, but there are many things to fix! I made the
> >> choice of xfce at my wheezy install and as I
Le 06/12/2013 09:51, Reco a écrit :
> Hi.
>
> On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 09:39:03AM +0100, François Patte wrote:
>> It could a nice choice, but there are many things to fix! I made the
>> choice of xfce at my wheezy install and as I use terminals and cli to
>> launch my stuff, there are a lot of warn
On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 12:51 +0400, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 09:39:03AM +0100, François Patte wrote:
> > It could a nice choice, but there are many things to fix! I made the
> > choice of xfce at my wheezy install and as I use terminals and cli to
> > launch my stuff, there are
Hi.
On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 09:39:03AM +0100, François Patte wrote:
> It could a nice choice, but there are many things to fix! I made the
> choice of xfce at my wheezy install and as I use terminals and cli to
> launch my stuff, there are a lot of warnings, for instance:
>
> when I quit evince:
parently unusable with such an X driver.
>
> Goodbye, GNOME. Hello, XFCE. I hope Debian will make XFCE the
> default desktop for the production jessie installer.
It could a nice choice, but there are many things to fix! I made the
choice of xfce at my wheezy install and as I use terminals an
On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 17:13:04 -0500 (EST)
Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 17:01:37 -0500 (EST), Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> > All GTK dependent DEs have their drawbacks. Xfce still is and will
> > be my DE for a while, but I'm already testing Razor-Qt. It's not
> > that good at the momen
On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 17:07:44 -0500 (EST), Tom H wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Stephen Powell wrote:
>> ...
>> I hope Debian will make XFCE the
>> default desktop for the production jessie installer.
>
> It is for the time being.
>
> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tasksel/tasksel.g
On 12/6/13, Rick Thomas wrote:
> On Dec 5, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
>> You could do what I did with my install of Wheezy 64-bit (Replacing
>> Fedora 12): Abandon the desktop "environment" entirely, and just use a
>> full-featured window manager and a few utilities. I found Openb
On Dec 5, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> You could do what I did with my install of Wheezy 64-bit (Replacing
> Fedora 12): Abandon the desktop "environment" entirely, and just use a
> full-featured window manager and a few utilities. I found Openbox with
> LXPanel works just fine. L
y unusable with such an X driver.
>
> Goodbye, GNOME. Hello, XFCE. I hope Debian will make XFCE the
> default desktop for the production jessie installer.
You could do what I did with my install of Wheezy 64-bit (Replacing
Fedora 12): Abandon the desktop "environment" entirely
On Thu, 2013-12-05 at 18:24 -0500, Bo Lan wrote:
> I am still a new user, and don't know if we can report a bug to Debian
> to say that, GNOME SHELL or Foo Desktop Environment is not usable under
> 2D free video card driver or such. Actually, I hope Debian can patch
> those DE, free drivers, and so
t; apparently unusable with such an X driver.
>
> Goodbye, GNOME. Hello, XFCE. I hope Debian will make XFCE the
> default desktop for the production jessie installer.
>
> --
> .''`. Stephen Powell
> : :' :
> `. `'`
>`-
>
>
On Thu, 2013-12-05 at 17:13 -0500, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 17:01:37 -0500 (EST), Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> > All GTK dependent DEs have their drawbacks. Xfce still is and will be my
> > DE for a while, but I'm already testing Razor-Qt. It's not that good at
> > the moment, but
On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 17:01:37 -0500 (EST), Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> All GTK dependent DEs have their drawbacks. Xfce still is and will be my
> DE for a while, but I'm already testing Razor-Qt. It's not that good at
> the moment, but since LXDE is similar ok as Xfce is, it might be
> interesting to w
> apparently unusable with such an X driver.
>
> Goodbye, GNOME. Hello, XFCE. I hope Debian will make XFCE the
> default desktop for the production jessie installer.
It is for the time being.
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tasksel/tasksel.git;a=commit;h=dfca406eb694e0ac00ea04b1
t; apparently unusable with such an X driver.
>
> Goodbye, GNOME. Hello, XFCE. I hope Debian will make XFCE the
> default desktop for the production jessie installer.
All GTK dependent DEs have their drawbacks. Xfce still is and will be my
DE for a while, but I'm already testing R
Well, the latest update to Debian jessie did it. GNOME 3 apparently
no longer has a "fallback mode" for X drivers which don't support 3D
acceleration. Mine doesn't. And the native GNOME 3 interface is
apparently unusable with such an X driver.
Goodbye, GNOME. Hello, XFCE.
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