Re: Unable to install GRUB in dummy

2025-04-05 Thread hlyg
Thank Wright! with more than 20 years of experience in installing and using debian, do i have to read installation guide? it is said that installing debian is as easy as pressing Enter it is dumb to report fatal error after all configuration and copying after 30 years of development, install

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-04-05 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 07:48:16AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 3/26/25 6:55 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > [SNIP] > > > > I normally use "sudo -s", which is the closest sudo approximation to > > the traditional behvior of "su" (before it was broken in buster). > > > > I don't understand the

Re: Unable to install GRUB in dummy

2025-04-05 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 04:09:31AM +0800, hlyg wrote: > > On 3/31/25 10:50, David Wright wrote: > > Presumably that error message was from the screen. Have you looked > > at /var/log/installer/syslog for more expansive error messages? > > > > Cheers, > > David. > > > Thank Wright! i have solved

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-04-05 Thread Nicolas George
Greg (HE12025-03-27): > I'm certain sudo has its use cases, but all I do personally is su to > root and update and upgrade my stable Bookworm using apt, so I feel no > need to complexify the issue with sudo. The fallacy in here being assuming, without stating it and without justifying it that sudo

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-04-05 Thread J
> > "sudo -i" is meant to approximate the behavior of "su -". Before buster, > nobody would have used that on a Debian system. It's horrible. The > fact that people are now embracing it as a norm is even worse. > Why horrible?

Re: Unable to install GRUB in dummy

2025-04-05 Thread David Wright
On Sun 30 Mar 2025 at 11:50:52 (+0800), hlyg wrote: > i install with debian-12.10.0-amd64-netinst.iso > > during final stage of installation, it fails to install grub > > "Executing 'grub-install dummy' failed." > "This is a fatal error." > &g

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-04-05 Thread Anssi Saari
David Wright writes: > host!auser 09:57:47 /somewhere/that/is/obnoxiously/long/program-1.2.3$ > /bin/su --login > Password: > bullseye on /dev/sda5 toto05 > host 09:57:59 ~# cd /somewhere/that/is/obnoxiously/long/program-1.2.3 > host 09:58:08 /somewhere/that/is/obnoxiously/long/progra

Re: Unable to install GRUB in dummy

2025-04-05 Thread hlyg
On 4/1/25 05:20, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: Make it simple for yourself. If you are at all unsure when you install, just take guided partitioning. That should set up a 512M partition for boot, a 1G partition for swap and the rest of the disk for / Unless you *really have* to partition things you

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-04-04 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 02:55:11PM -, Greg wrote: > On 2025-03-26, Richard Owlett wrote: > > >> If he hasn't noticed yet, I doubt it. > > > > I agree. > > If I understand what people want to accomplish by using command-line > > options, I would likely have gone to System->Log Out ... and the

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-04-04 Thread Max Nikulin
On 21/03/2025 20:38, J wrote: But i must mention that *this passage from Debian Wiki seems incorrect* Bind mount various virtual filesystems: # for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /sys/firmware/efi/efivars /run; do mount -B $i /mnt/$i; done https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall#

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-04-04 Thread Max Nikulin
On 20/03/2025 03:22, J wrote: But before this oopsie deletion I have saved as a back-up at least something from /boot folder, or maybe even everything. Copy files from backup to /boot and to the EFI system partition EFI/debian/BOOTX64.CSV EFI/debian/fbx64.efi EFI/debian/grub.cfg EFI/debian/g

Re: Unable to install GRUB in dummy

2025-04-01 Thread hlyg
Thank Nikulin! i read wiki page you mention, it is too technical, as end user, i am not expected to worry such details it seems to me that efi isn't very mature at present it doesn't offer any benefits to me though it is superior to mbr

Re: Unable to install GRUB in dummy

2025-03-31 Thread David Wright
ne of my PCs doesn't support gpt I'm surprised. I BIOS-boot my 20-yr old laptop into linux running on a GPT disk, and I scrapped a similar but older desktop too. Grub is installed in the protective MBR of the GPT disk, so the BIOS boots the MBR in the same way as if the disk was MBR-p

Re: Unable to install GRUB in dummy

2025-03-31 Thread Max Nikulin
On 01/04/2025 03:09, hlyg wrote: in the end i use mbr, as one of my PCs doesn't support gpt It depends on firmware, but I expect that UEFI spec describes requirements for ESP in the case of MBR partitions. btw what is recommended size of efi partition? default size is 512M sgdisk(8)

Re: Unable to install GRUB in dummy

2025-03-31 Thread hlyg
On 3/31/25 10:50, David Wright wrote: Presumably that error message was from the screen. Have you looked at /var/log/installer/syslog for more expansive error messages? Cheers, David. Thank Wright! i have solved it on my own i am new user of gpt, fatal error is caused by my failure to creat

Unable to install GRUB in dummy

2025-03-29 Thread hlyg
i install with debian-12.10.0-amd64-netinst.iso during final stage of installation, it fails to install grub "Executing 'grub-install dummy' failed." "This is a fatal error." how to solve it? i bet it is caused by other bootloader in installation target disk

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-29 Thread songbird
Greg Wooledge wrote: ... > Maybe. If you haven't created an /etc/default/su file, then something > like this: > > $ su > # adduser richard > > may fail. You could work around it in various ways (e.g. explicitly > typing out /usr/sbin/adduser richard). > > My recommendation is to create a

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-28 Thread Nicolas George
Max Nikulin (HE12025-03-28): > Approximately a decade ago I > noticed that new entries were not added to some history file, I do not > remember if it was .bash_history or for some other tool, but the owner of > the file was root. It was the reason why I

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-28 Thread Max Nikulin
On 26/03/2025 18:55, Greg Wooledge wrote: "sudo -i" is meant to approximate the behavior of "su -". Before buster, nobody would have used that on a Debian system. It's horrible. The fact that people are now embracing it as a norm is even worse. It seems I have to clarify why I suggested name

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-28 Thread J
number of minor problems. Though I also found out that *Timeshift* keeps not only /root but also /boot folder (even if it is physically on the other disk)! Thanks Universe So I just copied files from the timeshift /boot backup to the new *ESP* folder and *GRUB *showed the OS correctly. There were also

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-28 Thread Greg
On 2025-03-28, David Wright wrote: > > As end-users are the people that computers are built and run > for, I don't know why you'd find people's use of the term > "slightly pejorative". (I assume you aren't calling out me > in particular.) I was calling myself out, not you. You have always been he

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 15:46:15 +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > $ su > # make install > > Whoopsie! The Makefile just pwned you. That's a COMPLETELY separate discussion. Obviously I was referring to software from reputable sources. > $ make DESTDIR=/tmp/i install > $ sud

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-27 Thread David Wright
On Thu 27 Mar 2025 at 22:14:03 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 08:29:50PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > Excellent, that solves the problem for those on old terminals or > > lacking copy/paste. As for me, I'll continue to use /bin/su --login, > > as I have for nigh on three

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 08:29:50PM -0500, David Wright wrote: Excellent, that solves the problem for those on old terminals or lacking copy/paste. As for me, I'll continue to use /bin/su --login, as I have for nigh on three decades, so that I land in my preferred, consistent cwd, /root. su - do

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-27 Thread David Wright
On Thu 27 Mar 2025 at 17:05:56 (-), Greg wrote: > On 2025-03-26, David Wright wrote: > > > > As posted earlier today, a file in sudoers.d/ makes trivial admin > > tasks like monitoring and logging easier, particularly where the > > programs concerned can cause damage if the wrong options are us

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-27 Thread David Wright
On Thu 27 Mar 2025 at 13:58:10 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 12:48:35 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > It could be argued that it would be simple enough to communicate > > the user's cwd to root, as a workaround, so that it didn't have to > > be retyped. > > You know what d

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-27 Thread Greg
On 2025-03-26, David Wright wrote: > > As posted earlier today, a file in sudoers.d/ makes trivial admin > tasks like monitoring and logging easier, particularly where the > programs concerned can cause damage if the wrong options are used. I'm certain sudo has its use cases, but all I do persona

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 12:48:35 -0500, David Wright wrote: > It could be argued that it would be simple enough to communicate > the user's cwd to root, as a workaround, so that it didn't have to > be retyped. You know what does that for you? sudo -s. Or su if you've configured it with a one-lin

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-27 Thread David Wright
On Thu 27 Mar 2025 at 12:23:26 (+0200), Anssi Saari wrote: > David Wright writes: > > > host!auser 09:57:47 /somewhere/that/is/obnoxiously/long/program-1.2.3$ > > /bin/su --login > > Password: > > bullseye on /dev/sda5 toto05 > > host 09:57:59 ~# cd /somewhere/that/is/obnoxiously/long/p

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-27 Thread Dan Ritter
Anssi Saari wrote: > David Wright writes: > > > host!auser 09:57:47 /somewhere/that/is/obnoxiously/long/program-1.2.3$ > > /bin/su --login > > Password: > > bullseye on /dev/sda5 toto05 > > host 09:57:59 ~# cd /somewhere/that/is/obnoxiously/long/program-1.2.3 > > host 09:58:08 /somew

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread Richard Owlett
On 3/26/25 6:55 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: [SNIP] I normally use "sudo -s", which is the closest sudo approximation to the traditional behvior of "su" (before it was broken in buster). I don't understand the reference to some "brokenness" of "su". I've not closely followed this thread so I may

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread David Wright
On Wed 26 Mar 2025 at 16:37:41 (-), Greg wrote: > On 2025-03-26, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > I assumed it was effectively the same as power down and then logging in > > as root on power-up. > > It is. But it's unnecessary and dangerous to run your entire DE as root. > Or maybe you log in t

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread Nicolas George
Greg Wooledge (HE12025-03-26): > This caused ALL KINDS of problems. People would do things like: > > $ su > # apt update > # apt install somepkg > > And the postinstall script for somepkg would fail because it couldn't > find commands that are in /sbin or /usr/sbin, because those dir

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread J
So, in most cases* sudo -s* is better? Any downsides? ср, 26 мар. 2025 г. в 16:10, Greg Wooledge : > On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 07:48:16 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > On 3/26/25 6:55 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > I normally use "sudo -s", which is the closest sudo approximation to > > > the trad

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 07:55:33AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > I normally use "sudo -s", which is the closest sudo approximation to > the traditional behvior of "su" (before it was broken in buster). > > "sudo -i" is meant to approximate the behavior of "su -". Before buster, > nobody w

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread Greg
On 2025-03-26, Richard Owlett wrote: > > I assumed it was effectively the same as power down and then logging in > as root on power-up. It is. But it's unnecessary and dangerous to run your entire DE as root. Or maybe you log in to the console and use startx to run Mate? At any rate, I do follo

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread Greg
On 2025-03-26, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> >> Does this "brokenness" of "su" have any potential effect on my usage? > > Maybe. If you haven't created an /etc/default/su file, then something > like this: If he hasn't noticed yet, I doubt it. I noticed when I finally erased Stretch and installed Boo

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread Greg
On 2025-03-26, Richard Owlett wrote: >> If he hasn't noticed yet, I doubt it. > > I agree. > If I understand what people want to accomplish by using command-line > options, I would likely have gone to System->Log Out ... and then logged > in as root. Not recommended.

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread David Wright
On Wed 26 Mar 2025 at 10:03:59 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 3/26/25 9:55 AM, Greg wrote: > > On 2025-03-26, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > > If he hasn't noticed yet, I doubt it. > > > > > > I agree. > > > If I understand what people want to accomplish by using command-line > > > options

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread David Wright
On Wed 26 Mar 2025 at 16:24:21 (+0300), J wrote: > ср, 26 мар. 2025 г. в 16:10, Greg Wooledge : > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 07:48:16 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > On 3/26/25 6:55 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > I normally use "sudo -s", which is the closest sudo approximation to > > > > the t

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread Richard Owlett
On 3/26/25 9:55 AM, Greg wrote: On 2025-03-26, Richard Owlett wrote: If he hasn't noticed yet, I doubt it. I agree. If I understand what people want to accomplish by using command-line options, I would likely have gone to System->Log Out ... and then logged in as root. Not recommended.

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread Richard Owlett
On 3/26/25 9:04 AM, Greg wrote: On 2025-03-26, Greg Wooledge wrote: Does this "brokenness" of "su" have any potential effect on my usage? Maybe. If you haven't created an /etc/default/su file, then something like this: If he hasn't noticed yet, I doubt it. I agree. If I understand what

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 04:19:37PM +0300, J wrote: > > > > > work with* root?* I will try to test. > > > > I fully expect it to, yes. > > > > Oh, yes, it works. I just had to use *sudo su* and not not I think you never need "sudo su". "sudo -i" and "sudo -s" will do your bidding, depending on you

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread J
> > > work with* root?* I will try to test. > > I fully expect it to, yes. > Oh, yes, it works. I just had to use *sudo su* and not not *su - * Also it's bad that Wiki doesn't clarify* how to* 'boot the rescue system including the kernel option "efi=runtime" and mount the EFI variables before pro

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 07:48:16 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 3/26/25 6:55 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > I normally use "sudo -s", which is the closest sudo approximation to > > the traditional behvior of "su" (before it was broken in buster). > > I don't understand the reference to some "brok

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 12:23:38 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 02:15:03PM +0300, J wrote: > > And i thought *sudo -i*, you speaking about, is something like > > *--interactive*, which is not, how i see now... > > The long form is "--login", not interactive. But the "-i"

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 02:15:03PM +0300, J wrote: > > In my opinion, "sudo -i" might be added to the wiki articles. I would > > prefer to see a warning concerning compound shell commands in *sudo* docs. > > > > J, my impressions is that you read some docs strongly suggesting to > > prefix every co

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-26 Thread J
> In my opinion, "sudo -i" might be added to the wiki articles. I would > prefer to see a warning concerning compound shell commands in *sudo* docs. > > J, my impressions is that you read some docs strongly suggesting to > prefix every command instead of just becoming root. Actually it is easier

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-25 Thread J
There were also some minor problems which I solved with *apt update/upgrade* > while being in *chroot*. > In particular, there was for some reason no internet connection after I booted to the restored system. Something wrong was with firmware and/or initramfs i guess.

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-25 Thread Max Nikulin
On 25/03/2025 19:47, J wrote: Notice that the page suggests "# for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc " so it is assumed that users should run $ sudo -i sudo *SH -c '...' -* as mentioned above. But it is not written in WIki. In my opinion, "sudo -i" might be added to the wiki articles. I wo

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-25 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 09:25:01AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 25/03/2025 19:47, J wrote: > > Notice that the page suggests "# for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc " > > so it is assumed that users should run > > > > $ sudo -i > > > > sudo *SH -c '...' -* as mentioned above. But it is not

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-25 Thread J
> > Notice that the page suggests "# for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc " > so it is assumed that users should run > > $ sudo -i > sudo *SH -c '...' - *as mentioned above. But it is not written in WIki. I am thinking about if i should propose the Wiki update. > The error suggests that you forgot to m

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-25 Thread Max Nikulin
debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall#Using_the_rEFInd_rescue_media In the context of bind-mounts the link is confusing. In some cases rEFInd should be able to boot *installed* Linux in the case of troubles system firmware, e.g. missed boot entry. No chroot is required for grub reinstall. However you wrot

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-24 Thread J
> sudo sh -c '...' > Didn't know such a thing. Wasn't mention in the wiki. Have you considered doing something crazy like creating the mount points? > Can't say so. I have fixed my problem a few days ago (see above about mounting), now i am discussing with Max if Wiki is correct. https://wiki.d

Re: Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-24 Thread J
I have rechecked. It doesn't work with sudo also. Not in a one line, not when i tried to make line breaks with \, not in a bash script. user@debian:~$ sudo for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /sys/firmware/efi/efivars /run; do mount -B $i /mnt/$i; done bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do'

Pls help fixing /boot/efi and GRUB

2025-03-20 Thread J
first installation. But before this oopsie deletion I have saved as a back-up at least something from /boot folder, or maybe even everything. There is a Microsoft folder, /grub folder with bootx64.efi and bootx64.efi.grb (though EMPTY!) and /Debian folder with shimx64.efi etc… I have tried to fix the

Re: [SOLVED] Debian 12 USB install hangs on GRUB command line

2024-12-18 Thread Max Nikulin
do a full powercycle. I just happened to have a cheap USB3 that fails on attempt to boot when it is plugged into the USB2 port of my old laptop. A variation is: not the same hub as keyboard and mouse.  grub> echo $cmdpath   (hd2,gpt1)/EFI/debian  grub> echo $fw_path   ### no

Re: [SOLVED] Debian 12 USB install hangs on GRUB command line

2024-12-17 Thread Roger Price
g the stick into another USB port (e.g. USB2 instead of USB3 or vice versa)? Try full power cycle, not just reboot. All the 10 USB ports on my T5820 are specified as USB 3.1 Gen 1. I always do a full powercycle. To figure out what happens in your case you may try the following commands: gru

Re: Debian 12 USB install hangs on GRUB command line

2024-12-17 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 03:32:03PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Roger Price wrote: To check for bad USB stick, I downloaded debian-12.8.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso and built a new 12.8 USB installation stick using command dd if=debian-12.8.0-and64-DVD-1.iso of=/dev/sdj1 bs=4M && sync The "1" in "/dev/s

Re: Debian 12 USB install hangs on GRUB command line

2024-12-17 Thread Thomas Schmitt
small to take a DVD ISO. Is this the same USB stick as the one with Debian 12.7.0 netinst ? If so, did you run a partition editor to create a new partition 1 ? > I tried booting this and got to a GRUB command line. This time ls -l > reports that (hd0) has "no known filesystem detected&q

Re: Debian 12 USB install hangs on GRUB command line

2024-12-17 Thread Max Nikulin
On 16/12/2024 15:45, Roger Price wrote: So I re-inserted the USB installation stick to redo the installation. This took me to the GRUB command line. Am I right that you have internal SSD (SATA? NVME?) and a USB stick? Have you tried to plug the stick into another USB port (e.g. USB2 instead

Re: Debian 12 USB install hangs on GRUB command line

2024-12-17 Thread Roger Price
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Roger Price wrote: I got the message error: file '/install.amd/vmlinux' not found So perhaps: grub> set root=(hd0) grub> linux/install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- quiet grub> initrd /install.amd/gtk/initrd.gz grub> boot

Re: Debian 12 USB install hangs on GRUB command line

2024-12-17 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i proposed for booting from the now reluctant USB stick: > > grub> linux/install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- quiet > > grub> initrd /install.amd/gtk/initrd.gz > > grub> boot Roger Price wrote: > I got the message error: file '/install.amd/vmlinux'

Re: Debian 12 USB install hangs on GRUB command line

2024-12-17 Thread Roger Price
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Does the USB stick yield the proper checksum when inspected on a running GNU/Linux system ? Will check. grub> cat (hd0,msdos2)/efi/debian/grub.cfg set prefix-($root)/boot/grub I see "=" instead of "-" in this file when t

Re: Debian 12 USB install hangs on GRUB command line

2024-12-16 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 09:45:59 +0100 (CET) Roger Price wrote: > But I did create a > small FAT32 partition to be mounted on /boot/efi if one day I needed > it. Which option in the installer's partitioner did you use, one of the FAT options, or the EFI one? The latter will create a partition with

Re: Debian 12 USB install hangs on GRUB command line

2024-12-16 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 18:50:02 + Joe wrote: > So I gave up, and just installed bookworm clean. No bootable OS found. > I'll cut it short: it wouldn't boot because a /boot/efi/EFI directory > did not contain a Microsoft directory containing bootmgfw.efi. > Previously, it had been happy to boot f

Re: Debian 12 USB install hangs on GRUB command line

2024-12-16 Thread David Christensen
On 12/16/24 10:50, Joe wrote: I would add that many modern computers are almost hardwired for Windows. ... So I gave up, and just installed bookworm clean. No bootable OS found. I'll cut it short: it wouldn't boot because a /boot/efi/EFI directory did not contain a Microsoft directory containing

Re: Debian 12 USB install hangs on GRUB command line

2024-12-16 Thread Joe
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 09:39:22 -0800 David Christensen wrote: > On 12/16/24 00:45, Roger Price wrote: > > I have a Dell T5820 workstation.  I had already installed Debian 12 > > in a spare partition on a Transcend SSD dating from 2017 using a > > USB memory stick.  I left in place the existing Wind

Re: Debian 12 USB install hangs on GRUB command line

2024-12-16 Thread David Christensen
On 12/16/24 00:45, Roger Price wrote: I have a Dell T5820 workstation.  I had already installed Debian 12 in a spare partition on a Transcend SSD dating from 2017 using a USB memory stick.  I left in place the existing Windows SSD that came with the workstation.  All went well - a very smooth i

Re: Debian 12 USB install hangs on GRUB command line

2024-12-16 Thread Thomas Schmitt
l test command does not yield "IT MATCHES", then some change has happened to the ISO on the USB stick. (You may check file debian-12.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso the same way as /dev/sdc to check whether already the ISO image was altered.) > grub> cat (hd0,msdos2)/efi/debian/grub.cfg

Debian 12 USB install hangs on GRUB command line

2024-12-16 Thread Roger Price
und." So I re-inserted the USB installation stick to redo the installation. This took me to the GRUB command line. I typed a few commands: (I have removed all details of hd1, hd2... reported as No known filesystem detected, or Filesystem cannot be accessed) grub> ls -l Device hd0:

Re: Grub menu entry for a system on a second drive.

2024-11-11 Thread David Wright
On Sat 09 Nov 2024 at 17:03:53 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: David Wright > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 21:12:21 -0500 > > So you need to boot into your bullseye system, and run > > # grub-install /dev/sdX > > where X is probably a, your first disk. &g

Re: [solved, more] Re: Grub menu entry for a system on a second drive.

2024-11-09 Thread peter
The ThinkCentre has one blue and one black, as in the 2nd photo here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#System_design > * With the adapter labeled USB 2.0, why is plugging in USB 3 necessary > to boot the external system? From: David Wright Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2024 22:43:19 -0600 Who knows

Re: [solved] Re: Grub menu entry for a system on a second drive.

2024-11-09 Thread eben
this list that USB3 connections cost more because (1) different controller and (2) more wires to run and (3) signals to manage. * With the adapter labeled USB 2.0, why is connection to a USB 3 socket necessary to boot the external system? Perhaps grub only boots from USB3? I have no idea if th

Re: [solved] Grub menu entry for a system on a second drive.

2024-11-09 Thread Felix Miata
peter composed on 2024-11-09 11:35 (UTC-0700): > * Why does the ThinkCentre have differing USB sockets? Monkey see, monkey do applies in the competitive field of motherboard manufacturing. Most computers with 3.x USB have also 2.0 ports. 3.x has a manufacturing cost that 1.x and 2.0 devices have

Re: Grub menu entry for a system on a second drive.

2024-11-09 Thread peter
From: David Wright Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 21:12:21 -0500 > So you need to boot into your bullseye system, and run > # grub-install /dev/sdX > where X is probably a, your first disk. Done. Resulting menu here. https://easthope.ca/GrubMenu1.jpg For reference, this was the ear

Re: [solved] Re: Grub menu entry for a system on a second drive.

2024-11-09 Thread peter
nect a USB hub before dealing with the Void drive. Noticed the USB socket where the Void drive was connected had a black plastic contact carrier and another socket had a blue carrier. Blue is USB 3. So plugged the USB adapter with the Void drive into the blue socket. Voila; grub was able t

Re: [solved] Re: Grub menu entry for a system on a second drive.

2024-11-09 Thread peter
the blue socket. Voila; Grub was able to boot the Void system reliably. Spent the better part of a day investigating when a USB plug just needed moving. =8~/ In case anyone is interested, these topics remain. * Why does the ThinkCentre have differing USB sockets? * With the adapter labeled

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-07 Thread Chris Green
e0n1 disk, > or copying partitions nvme0n1p1, nvme0n1p2, etc, or just recursive > copies of the files in each partition into new filesystems created > on sda. > > That information might well yield the reason that the installation > stick wouldn't boot correctly. After reading

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-06 Thread David Wright
sda. That information might well yield the reason that the installation stick wouldn't boot correctly. After reading Thomas's post about which partition is which on the stick, I think that: grub> set root=(hd0) grub> linux install.amd/vmlinuz grub> initrd install.amd/i

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 12:17 PM Chris Green wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 04, 2024 at 08:31:41AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > [...] > > Is a BIOS update available? > > > Possibly, but I bet I'd need an MS-Windows system to do the update. This situation sucks. My father has an Acer laptop like it -- the

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread Chris Green
I have found how to get it to install, I removed the other (SATA SSD) disk drive. It now boots successfully, phew! I've no idea why that second drive breaks things. I installed it when I was still running xubuntu 24.04 and that OS could see the drive OK. I actually copied the whole of my old (xu

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread Chris Green
I have found how to get it to install, I removed the other (SATA SSD) disk drive. It now boots successfully, phew! I've no idea why that second drive breaks things. I installed it when I was still running xubuntu 24.04 and that OS could see the drive OK. I actually copied the whole of my old (xu

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread Thomas Schmitt
d apple2 is because viewing > gdisk debian-12.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso > as a GPT partition table gives a listing with only partition 2. debian-12.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso has three partition tables: - A valid MBR ("msdos") partition table with unusual layout. Partition 1 begin

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread Felix Miata
Chris Green composed on 2024-11-04 14:49 (UTC): > Felix Miata wrote: >> You might try pre-partitioning the NVME in GPT mode with ESP partition >> instead >> of the current MBR mode. You seem to have skipped addressing this directly. It appears from your Grub shell ls output

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread Chris Green
On Mon, Nov 04, 2024 at 11:19:50AM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > If I boot from the USB stick (isohybrid image) in Legacy mode then it > > all **appears** to work, installation completes, but then the system > > won't boot. > > What kind of boot loader did you i

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread David Wright
ntinues from my "Failed Debian 12 install..." thread earlier > > > > today. > > > > > > > > I can't get the USB Installation stick to boot into the Debian > > > > installation process when I load it in UEFI mode. If I boot the USB >

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread Stefan Monnier
> If I boot from the USB stick (isohybrid image) in Legacy mode then it > all **appears** to work, installation completes, but then the system > won't boot. What kind of boot loader did you install? `grub-efi`, `grub-pc`, something else? Does your Debian install's boot fail

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread David Wright
> today. > > > > > > I can't get the USB Installation stick to boot into the Debian > > > installation process when I load it in UEFI mode. If I boot the USB > > > stick in UEFI mode it just takes me to the grub prompt. > > > > It may help

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread Chris Green
k to boot into the Debian > > installation process when I load it in UEFI mode. If I boot the USB > > stick in UEFI mode it just takes me to the grub prompt. > > It may help to know whether that's a grub> prompt > or a grub rescue> prompt. The latter takes a bi

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread David Wright
t the USB > stick in UEFI mode it just takes me to the grub prompt. It may help to know whether that's a grub> prompt or a grub rescue> prompt. The latter takes a bit more work to recover from. Whichever, does typing ls produce a listing of some sort? Basically, you have to l

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread Chris Green
> - Always boot using UEFI. > - Boot the install using legacy BIOS, then manually change the install > to use grub-efi, then reboot into my EFI config to "activate" the > right `.efi` installed into the EFI partition. > > I started with the first choice, and then a

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread Chris Green
the Debian > > installation process when I load it in UEFI mode. If I boot the USB > > stick in UEFI mode it just takes me to the grub prompt. > > > I suspect that this is why, when I boot from the USB stick in BIOS > > compatibility mode the resulting installation doe

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread Stefan Monnier
out that if the installation media is booted in "legacy BIOS" mode, then it can't do an install that boots via UEFI. IOW I had 3 choices: - Always boot using legacy BIOS mode. - Always boot using UEFI. - Boot the install using legacy BIOS, then manually change the install to use gr

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread Felix Miata
gt; stick in UEFI mode it just takes me to the grub prompt. > I suspect that this is why, when I boot from the USB stick in BIOS > compatibility mode the resulting installation doesn't work. > Any ideas what I need to do to get the USB stick to boot properly in > USB mode? This has

Re: Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread Felix Miata
gt; stick in UEFI mode it just takes me to the grub prompt. > I suspect that this is why, when I boot from the USB stick in BIOS > compatibility mode the resulting installation doesn't work. > Any ideas what I need to do to get the USB stick to boot properly in > USB mode? This has

Re: [solved, more] Re: Grub menu entry for a system on a second drive.

2024-11-04 Thread Dan Purgert
connect a USB hub before dealing with the Void drive. > Noticed the USB socket where the Void drive was connected had a black > plastic contact carrier and another socket had a blue carrier. Blue is > USB 3. Black isn't? So plugged the USB adapter with the Void drive > into the b

Debian 12 installation - installation USB stick boots to grub prompt

2024-11-04 Thread Chris Green
This continues from my "Failed Debian 12 install..." thread earlier today. I can't get the USB Installation stick to boot into the Debian installation process when I load it in UEFI mode. If I boot the USB stick in UEFI mode it just takes me to the grub prompt. I suspect that th

Re: [solved, more] Re: Grub menu entry for a system on a second drive.

2024-11-03 Thread David Wright
drive > into the blue socket. Voila; Grub was able to boot the Void system > reliably. Spent the better part of a day investigating when a USB plug > just needed moving. =8~/ > > In case anyone is interested, these topics remain. > > * Why does the ThinkCentre have dif

Re: [solved, partly] Re: Grub menu entry for a system on a second drive.

2024-11-02 Thread Max Nikulin
On 27/10/2024 21:56, David Wright wrote: On Sat 26 Oct 2024 at 20:55:11 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: A Web search found mention of grub command nativedisk which I added. I don't know anything about nativedisk or the distinctions between various types of driver. [...] nativ

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