Re: Who's the window manager's boss? [was: Firefox and XFCE]

2024-12-27 Thread Frank Jezzer
On 2024-12-27, Andy Smith wrote: >> An hallucination is a perception without an object, which is closer to >> describing the vocabulary of your conceit than my eventually erroneous shell >> scripts. > > I think the main difference though is that no one is going to mistakenly > try to put the voca

Re: Who's the window manager's boss? [was: Firefox and XFCE]

2024-12-27 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 04:11:48PM -, Frank Jezzer wrote: > On 2024-12-27, Andy Smith wrote: > > Not to worry; none of Frank's posts are written by a human, and some of > > them contain hallucinated shell scripts that will never work. > > An hallucination is a perception without an ob

Re: Who's the window manager's boss? [was: Firefox and XFCE]

2024-12-27 Thread Frank Jezzer
On 2024-12-27, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 12:09:23AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 04:11:49PM -, Frank Jezzer wrote: >> > In short, well-designed software empowers the user rather than >> > dictating terms, contributing to a healthier digita

Re: Who's the window manager's boss? [was: Firefox and XFCE]

2024-12-27 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 12:09:23AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 04:11:49PM -, Frank Jezzer wrote: > > In short, well-designed software empowers the user rather than > > dictating terms, contributing to a healthier digital ecosystem. > > I agree on most points -

Re: Firefox and XFCE

2024-12-26 Thread Max Nikulin
On 26/12/2024 16:42, Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ wrote: On Thursday, 26 December 2024 00:10:47 -03 Max Nikulin wrote: You may try to search for mozilla, window manager (fvwm?), gtk bugs or discussions related to client-side decoration and rising on click. Are there other applications that use C

Who's the window manager's boss? [was: Firefox and XFCE]

2024-12-26 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 04:11:49PM -, Frank Jezzer wrote: [...] > The tension between application-driven window management and user-driven > window > management is a microcosm of broader debates about control, autonomy, and the > influence of external forces in our digital lives. [...] > I

Re: Firefox and XFCE

2024-12-26 Thread Frank Jezzer
On 2024-12-26, wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 25, 2024 at 10:17:02PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > [...] > >> The idea that your application should do its own window management >> because the user's chosen WM may differ from what you, the developer, >> wanted is utter hubris. Especially when you can't

Re: Firefox and XFCE

2024-12-26 Thread Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ
On Thursday, 26 December 2024 00:10:47 -03 Max Nikulin wrote: > On 25/12/2024 14:11, keller.st...@gmx.de wrote: > > Max Nikulin writes: > >> does switching between regular window title and > >> client-side decorations changes anything? (right click menu for > >> toolbar, "customize toolbar") > > >

Re: Firefox and XFCE

2024-12-25 Thread tomas
On Wed, Dec 25, 2024 at 10:17:02PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > The idea that your application should do its own window management > because the user's chosen WM may differ from what you, the developer, > wanted is utter hubris. Especially when you can't even get it to > work the way you

Re: Firefox and XFCE

2024-12-25 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 10:10:47 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 25/12/2024 14:11, keller.st...@gmx.de wrote: > > Max Nikulin writes: > > > > > > does switching between regular window title and > > > client-side decorations changes anything? (right click menu for > > > toolbar, "customize toolbar")

Re: Firefox and XFCE

2024-12-25 Thread Max Nikulin
On 25/12/2024 14:11, keller.st...@gmx.de wrote: Max Nikulin writes: does switching between regular window title and client-side decorations changes anything? (right click menu for toolbar, "customize toolbar") That was exactly it. It fixed the unwanted raising of firefox's windows and also s

Re: Firefox and XFCE

2024-12-25 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Dec 25, 2024 at 07:11:11 +, keller.st...@gmx.de wrote: > Max Nikulin writes: > > A shot in the dark: does switching between regular window title and > > client-side decorations changes anything? (right click menu for > > toolbar, "customize toolbar") > > And I didn't even know about t

Re: Firefox and XFCE

2024-12-24 Thread keller . steve
Max Nikulin writes: > On 17/12/2024 18:55, keller.st...@gmx.de wrote: > > I have grepped through prefs.js and haven't found anything that sounds > > related, > > A shot in the dark: does switching between regular window title and > client-side decorations changes anything? (right click menu for >

Re: Firefox and XFCE

2024-12-18 Thread Max Nikulin
On 17/12/2024 18:55, keller.st...@gmx.de wrote: I have grepped through prefs.js and haven't found anything that sounds related, A shot in the dark: does switching between regular window title and client-side decorations changes anything? (right click menu for toolbar, "customize toolbar") I

Re: Firefox and XFCE

2024-12-17 Thread Mike Castle
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 4:12 AM wrote: > No, this has been from the installation of Debian 12 to this Laptop. > Before that, I had Xubuntu 20.04 (Ubuntu with XFCE) on another Laptop > that has crashed (broken mainboard). I also run Xubuntu 18.04 in a > VirtualBox on a Windows host. Both also con

Re: Firefox and XFCE

2024-12-17 Thread keller . steve
> Mike Castle writes: > > Out of curiosity, how do you raise windows? I can raise windows by clicking into the title bar or by clicking the window while holding the left mouse button. > Similarly, a copy of your FF prefs.js (sanitized, of course). This > file would be in your profile directory

Re: Firefox and XFCE

2024-12-10 Thread Mike Castle
Out of curiosity, how do you raise windows? Anyway, I was unable to reproduce this with FF 1.333.0 and Debian 12. However, I normally do not run with these settings, so perhaps I do not have them set up correctly. Perhaps some screen shots of your settings might be in order to verify I tried corr

Firefox and XFCE

2024-12-09 Thread keller . steve
I have Debian 12 with XFCE and firefox on my Laptop. The XFCE window manager is configured such that a window is not raised when I click or double click (select) inside it. This works for all X11 windows except for firefox, which is raised when I click inside. Why is firefox's behavior so differ