Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: does anyone know how to calm down 'tracker-store'?

2018-11-29 Thread Patrice Duroux
Hi, That is done under #915042. I hope improving a bit the output by using 'coredumpctl debug' and adding some other debugging symbol packages. Many thanks!

Re: Re: Re: Re: does anyone know how to calm down 'tracker-store'?

2018-11-28 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:03:28PM +0100, Patrice Duroux wrote: > > Hi, > Not sure to got it exactly but here is finally the 'coredumpctl info' output. > Where to address it if needed? Install reportbug if you haven't already. Run 'reportbug tracker-extract'. Copy this part of the ba

Re: Re: Re: does anyone know how to calm down 'tracker-store'?

2018-11-28 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:20:22PM +0100, Patrice Duroux wrote: > root@hp-dark:/var/lib/systemd/coredump# gdb > core.tracker-extract.1000.273d78802abc412f8e7a360fd7509e52.14743.154343689200 It's always 'gdb '. Reco

Re: Re: Re: Re: does anyone know how to calm down 'tracker-store'?

2018-11-28 Thread Patrice Duroux
Hi, Not sure to got it exactly but here is finally the 'coredumpctl info' output. Where to address it if needed? Thanks, Patrice PID: 32028 (tracker-extract) UID: 1000 (patrice) GID: 1000 (patrice) Signal: 11 (SEGV) Timestamp: Wed 2018-11-28 22:54:42

Re: Re: Re: does anyone know how to calm down 'tracker-store'?

2018-11-28 Thread Patrice Duroux
Hi again, Then here is my current situation (after a LZ4 decompression, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=914934): root@hp-dark:/var/lib/systemd/coredump# file core.tracker-extract.1000.273d78802abc412f8e7a360fd7509e52.14743.154343689200 core.tracker-extract.1000.273d78802

Re: Re: does anyone know how to calm down 'tracker-store'?

2018-11-28 Thread Patrice Duroux
Hi, On the server : 1. impossible to remove the tracker package unless to remove other ones: dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of tracker: tracker-miner-fs depends on tracker (>= 2.1.0). tracker-extract depends on tracker (>= 2.1.0). rygel-tracker depends on tracker (>= 0.8). nauti

Re: does anyone know how to calm down 'tracker-store'?

2018-11-26 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 08:36:47PM +0100, Patrice Duroux wrote: > Dear all, > > Two points may be related somehow to the 'tracker' services. > > 1. On my local laptop system (Sid) I am getting the following message in > 'dmesg': > > [ 3773.552252] traps: multiqueue3:src[25397] gener

Re: does anyone know how to calm down 'tracker-store'?

2018-11-26 Thread Carl Fink
On 11/26/18 2:36 PM, Patrice Duroux wrote: Dear all, Two points may be related somehow to the 'tracker' services. 1. On my local laptop system (Sid) I am getting the following message in 'dmesg': [ 3773.552252] traps: multiqueue3:src[25397] general protection ip:7f97590e5635 sp:7f972fffe570

does anyone know how to calm down 'tracker-store'?

2018-11-26 Thread Patrice Duroux
Dear all, Two points may be related somehow to the 'tracker' services. 1. On my local laptop system (Sid) I am getting the following message in 'dmesg': [ 3773.552252] traps: multiqueue3:src[25397] general protection ip:7f97590e5635 sp:7f972fffe570 error:0 in libgstvideo-1.0.so.0.1404.0[7f97590a

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-24 Thread Brian
On Wed 23 Mar 2016 at 20:31:31 +, Brian wrote: > pdl=application/octet-stream,image/urf" > > PDFs will not print. I own up to spreading misinformation if I implied > they would. I stated that an iOS device sends PDFs and then went on to deduce that the printer performs some conversion to s

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-23 Thread Brian
On Wed 16 Mar 2016 at 16:14:47 +, Brian wrote: > On Wed 16 Mar 2016 at 12:06:40 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Wednesday 16 March 2016 10:12:59 Brian wrote: > > > > > Now find a *small* PDF file and send it directly to the printer with > > > netcat: > > > > > > nc 192.168.71.20 9100 <

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-23 Thread Brian
On Mon 21 Mar 2016 at 07:28:07 +0300, Adam Wilson wrote: > You wrote "contraining". I was asking whether you meant "constraining", > or whether "contraining" was some specialised technical vocabulary used > to describe an implied inverse correlation between two historical > trends. > > "Constrain

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-23 Thread Adam Wilson
On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:26:25 + Brian wrote: > On Sun 20 Mar 2016 at 17:08:11 +0300, Adam Wilson wrote: > > > On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 12:19:55 + > > Brian wrote: > > > > > On Sun 20 Mar 2016 at 12:08:02 +0300, Adam Wilson wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 14:20:03 -0500 > > > >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-20 Thread David Wright
On Sun 20 Mar 2016 at 12:08:02 (+0300), Adam Wilson wrote: > On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 14:20:03 -0500 > David Wright wrote: > > > On Fri 18 Mar 2016 at 13:03:52 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Friday 18 March 2016 12:55:26 Jarle Aase wrote: > > > > Den 11. mars 2016 19:36, skrev Lisi Reisz: > >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-20 Thread Brian
On Sun 20 Mar 2016 at 17:08:11 +0300, Adam Wilson wrote: > On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 12:19:55 + > Brian wrote: > > > On Sun 20 Mar 2016 at 12:08:02 +0300, Adam Wilson wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 14:20:03 -0500 > > > David Wright wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri 18 Mar 2016 at 13:03:52 (+0

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-20 Thread Adam Wilson
On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 12:19:55 + Brian wrote: > On Sun 20 Mar 2016 at 12:08:02 +0300, Adam Wilson wrote: > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 14:20:03 -0500 > > David Wright wrote: > > > > > On Fri 18 Mar 2016 at 13:03:52 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > On Friday 18 March 2016 12:55:26 Jarle Aas

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-20 Thread Brian
On Sun 20 Mar 2016 at 12:08:02 +0300, Adam Wilson wrote: > On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 14:20:03 -0500 > David Wright wrote: > > > On Fri 18 Mar 2016 at 13:03:52 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Friday 18 March 2016 12:55:26 Jarle Aase wrote: > > > > Den 11. mars 2016 19:36, skrev Lisi Reisz: > >

Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...)

2016-03-20 Thread Jarle Aase
Den 15. mars 2016 21:38, skrev deloptes: I agree with you more or less, however languages like python or perl open doors to pretend-to-be-programmers. I've seen more often bad python/perl code than c/c++. My observations are also that there is always a penalty, even if you compile the script

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-20 Thread Adam Wilson
On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 14:20:03 -0500 David Wright wrote: > On Fri 18 Mar 2016 at 13:03:52 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Friday 18 March 2016 12:55:26 Jarle Aase wrote: > > > Den 11. mars 2016 19:36, skrev Lisi Reisz: > > > > I have been reading this thread a bit at a time. I am > > > > bem

Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...)

2016-03-19 Thread Ric Moore
On 03/17/2016 01:58 AM, Adam Wilson wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 20:38:04 +0100 deloptes wrote: Martin Read wrote: On 15/03/16 07:45, deloptes wrote: I see recently more python code written than real C/C++. So what? Most programs *shouldn't* be written in C or C++, and I say this as someone

Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...)

2016-03-19 Thread Adam Wilson
On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 20:38:04 +0100 deloptes wrote: > Martin Read wrote: > > > On 15/03/16 07:45, deloptes wrote: > >> I see recently more python code written than real C/C++. > > > > So what? Most programs *shouldn't* be written in C or C++, and I say > > this as someone who loves C and C++ and

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread Brian
On Wed 16 Mar 2016 at 12:06:40 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 16 March 2016 10:12:59 Brian wrote: > > > Now find a *small* PDF file and send it directly to the printer with > > netcat: > > > > nc 192.168.71.20 9100 < file.pdf > > > > or > > > > nc BRN001BA9E3811F.local < file.pdf >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread jdd
Le 18/03/2016 13:55, Jarle Aase a écrit : Actually, I need scanning more frequently than I need printing. The scanner works perfectly without any proprietary software on my PC. I have still not printed anything. scanner are for free nowaday (second hand), I even have an unused one :-) jdd

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread Jarle Aase
Den 11. mars 2016 19:36, skrev Lisi Reisz: I have been reading this thread a bit at a time. I am bemused. Why, if you want life simple, and Free, etc., go for an AIO, which are notoriously troublesome? Why not go for a simple Brother laser printer? (If you want Brother.) Actually, I need s

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread Adam Wilson
On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 16:10:49 +0100 jdd wrote: > Le 15/03/2016 16:01, David Wright a écrit : > > > You write "Is Airprint free?". Is this a real question or a pointed > > remark designed to create more discussion? I can't tell. Why don't > > you just look it up? > > > > You write "not from me, bu

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread Brian
On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 23:18:30 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Gluttons for punishment eh? Remember, you did ask for it :( And nothu > ing has been excised. Uncut outputs are always the best. Thank you very much. [Useful avahi-browse record snipped to save bandwidth] > Now, I note 3 instances of

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread Jarle Aase
Den 10. mars 2016 21:01, skrev Brian: Did you go through all this to set up scanning on the device? Of course you didn't. So why not do the same with printing and not make a song and a dance about it. Scanning was simple, as the device use standard protocols. Currently I scan to a FTP server

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 16 March 2016 10:12:59 Brian wrote: > On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 23:18:30 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Gluttons for punishment eh? Remember, you did ask for it :( And > > nothu ing has been excised. > > Uncut outputs are always the best. Thank you very much. > > [Useful avahi-browse re

Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...)

2016-03-19 Thread Adam Wilson
On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 08:45:33 +0100 deloptes wrote: > Adam Wilson wrote: > > > On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 22:58:00 +0100 deloptes > > wrote: > > > >> Adam Wilson wrote: > >> > >> > If you're referring to the great "should" debate, then this is a > >> > pretty inaccurate description of what happened.

Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...)

2016-03-19 Thread deloptes
Adam Wilson wrote: >> I agree with you more or less, however languages like python or perl >> open doors to pretend-to-be-programmers. I've seen more often bad >> python/perl code than c/c++. > > C/C++ arrogance at its best! I could maybe understand it if you called > C# or Java users pretend-to-

Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...)

2016-03-19 Thread Adam Wilson
On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 15:06:55 -0400 doug wrote: > > On 03/15/2016 12:22 PM, Martin Read wrote: > > On 15/03/16 07:45, deloptes wrote: > >> I see recently more python code written than real C/C++. > > > > So what? Most programs *shouldn't* be written in C or C++, and I > > say this as someone who

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread David Wright
On Fri 18 Mar 2016 at 13:03:52 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 18 March 2016 12:55:26 Jarle Aase wrote: > > Den 11. mars 2016 19:36, skrev Lisi Reisz: > > > I have been reading this thread a bit at a time. I am bemused. Why, if > > > you want life simple, and Free, etc., go for an AIO, whi

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread Curt
On 2016-03-18, jdd wrote: > Le 18/03/2016 13:55, Jarle Aase a écrit : > >> Actually, I need scanning more frequently than I need printing. The >> scanner works perfectly without any proprietary software on my PC. I >> have still not printed anything. >> > > scanner are for free nowaday (second han

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 18 March 2016 12:55:26 Jarle Aase wrote: > Den 11. mars 2016 19:36, skrev Lisi Reisz: > > I have been reading this thread a bit at a time. I am bemused. Why, if > > you want life simple, and Free, etc., go for an AIO, which are > > notoriously troublesome? Why not go for a simple Broth

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-18 Thread Brian
On Fri 18 Mar 2016 at 14:41:04 +0200, Jarle Aase wrote: > Den 10. mars 2016 21:01, skrev Brian: > >Did you go through all this to set up scanning on the device? Of course > >you didn't. So why not do the same with printing and not make a song and a > >dance about it. > Scanning was simple, as the

Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...)

2016-03-15 Thread Ric Moore
On 03/15/2016 05:28 PM, Joe wrote: I first came to Pascal after a couple of years of BBC Basic, and I couldn't see what the fuss was about. Pascal didn't seem to be any great advance, though I suppose it was much more useful than the Applesoft I learned on. I had an original garage build ][. I

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 15 March 2016 20:20:25 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 15 March 2016 22:48:33 Brian wrote: > > On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 21:16:14 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Tuesday 15 March 2016 19:40:07 Brian wrote: > > > > Gene Haskett has an HL-3170CDW, which he now knows does > > > > AirPrint. I

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 15 March 2016 22:48:33 Brian wrote: > On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 21:16:14 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Tuesday 15 March 2016 19:40:07 Brian wrote: > > > Gene Haskett has an HL-3170CDW, which he now knows does AirPrint. I > > > believe he is someone who is up for a challenge. Compared with

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread Brian
On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 21:16:14 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 15 March 2016 19:40:07 Brian wrote: > > > > Gene Haskett has an HL-3170CDW, which he now knows does AirPrint. I > > believe he is someone who is up for a challenge. Compared with flooded > > basements, lightning strikes, falling

Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...)

2016-03-15 Thread Joe
On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 15:06:55 -0400 doug wrote: > > > > > It's too bad that the original Borland Pascal is not around anymore. > Or even the later version of BASIC with the case statement. Simple > and even a doppus like me could write with one of them! > I first came to Pascal after a couple

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 15 March 2016 19:40:07 Brian wrote: > On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 09:46:26 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 13:20:25 (+), Brian wrote: > > > "PDF filter" would be a suitable substitute for "PDF converter". But > > > not "PDF interpreter". > > > > OK. Debating what to ca

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread Brian
On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 09:46:26 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 13:20:25 (+), Brian wrote: > > > > "PDF filter" would be a suitable substitute for "PDF converter". But not > > "PDF interpreter". > > OK. Debating what to call what happens between PDF and ink-on-paper > is "l

Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...)

2016-03-15 Thread deloptes
Martin Read wrote: > On 15/03/16 07:45, deloptes wrote: >> I see recently more python code written than real C/C++. > > So what? Most programs *shouldn't* be written in C or C++, and I say > this as someone who loves C and C++ and reaches for one of them by > default as the language for solving c

Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...)

2016-03-15 Thread doug
On 03/15/2016 12:22 PM, Martin Read wrote: On 15/03/16 07:45, deloptes wrote: I see recently more python code written than real C/C++. So what? Most programs *shouldn't* be written in C or C++, and I say this as someone who loves C and C++ and reaches for one of them by default as the langu

Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...)

2016-03-15 Thread Martin Read
On 15/03/16 07:45, deloptes wrote: I see recently more python code written than real C/C++. So what? Most programs *shouldn't* be written in C or C++, and I say this as someone who loves C and C++ and reaches for one of them by default as the language for solving computing problems. (Unless t

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread jdd
Le 15/03/2016 16:01, David Wright a écrit : You write "Is Airprint free?". Is this a real question or a pointed remark designed to create more discussion? I can't tell. Why don't you just look it up? You write "not from me, but from others, may be." Perhaps you might google the following phrase

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread David Wright
On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 08:11:12 (+0100), jdd wrote: > Le 15/03/2016 03:30, David Wright a écrit : > >On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 22:43:04 (+0100), jdd wrote: > > >>so we already use an apple thing, why not two? > > > >Writing "why not" implies disapproval. > > not from me, but from others, may be. Else

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread David Wright
On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 13:20:25 (+), Brian wrote: > On Sun 13 Mar 2016 at 22:48:07 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > On Sun 13 Mar 2016 at 19:32:04 (+), Brian wrote: > > > > > > I've said specifically it has a PDF converter. It must have; the printer > > > does not understand PDF. > > > >

Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...)

2016-03-15 Thread deloptes
Adam Wilson wrote: > On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 22:58:00 +0100 deloptes wrote: > >> Adam Wilson wrote: >> >> > If you're referring to the great "should" debate, then this is a >> > pretty inaccurate description of what happened. I inadvertently >> > used the word "should" as opposed to "it would be be

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread jdd
Le 15/03/2016 03:30, David Wright a écrit : On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 22:43:04 (+0100), jdd wrote: so we already use an apple thing, why not two? Writing "why not" implies disapproval. not from me, but from others, may be. Else why not use simply the Brother driver? Is Airprint free? and secu

Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...)

2016-03-14 Thread Adam Wilson
On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 22:58:00 +0100 deloptes wrote: > Adam Wilson wrote: > > > If you're referring to the great "should" debate, then this is a > > pretty inaccurate description of what happened. I inadvertently > > used the word "should" as opposed to "it would be better > > if" (insert other no

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread David Wright
On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 22:43:04 (+0100), jdd wrote: > Le 14/03/2016 21:14, Brian a écrit : > >On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 21:00:01 +0100, jdd wrote: > > > >>Le 14/03/2016 20:31, Brian a écrit : > >> > >>notice that cups is apple, AFAIK > > > >So what? > > > so we already use an apple thing, why not two?

Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...)

2016-03-14 Thread deloptes
Adam Wilson wrote: > If you're referring to the great "should" debate, then this is a pretty > inaccurate description of what happened. I inadvertently used the word > "should" as opposed to "it would be better if" (insert other > non-triggering alternative if it suits), and was promptly jumped by

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread jdd
Le 14/03/2016 21:14, Brian a écrit : On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 21:00:01 +0100, jdd wrote: Le 14/03/2016 20:31, Brian a écrit : notice that cups is apple, AFAIK So what? so we already use an apple thing, why not two? jdd

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread Brian
On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 21:00:01 +0100, jdd wrote: > Le 14/03/2016 20:31, Brian a écrit : > > notice that cups is apple, AFAIK So what?

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread jdd
Le 14/03/2016 20:31, Brian a écrit : You print and an hour later the contract is signed. very clever I do not know what your point is. nowhere, I simply didn't know about airprint befor reading this thread notice that cups is apple, AFAIK jdd

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread Brian
On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 15:39:01 +0100, jdd wrote: > Le 14/03/2016 14:10, David Wright a écrit : > > >"AirPrint is built into most popular printer models, like the ones > >listed in this article." which includes MFC-J5720DW in the list. > > > >Both from https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201311 >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread Adam Wilson
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 + Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:50:49 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > > fun at those who try to put some effort int

Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...)

2016-03-14 Thread Adam Wilson
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 + Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:50:49 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > > fun at those who try to put some effort int

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread jdd
Le 14/03/2016 14:10, David Wright a écrit : "AirPrint is built into most popular printer models, like the ones listed in this article." which includes MFC-J5720DW in the list. Both from https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201311 may be popular in mac world, I never touched a printer with th

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread Brian
On Sun 13 Mar 2016 at 22:48:07 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Sun 13 Mar 2016 at 19:32:04 (+), Brian wrote: > > > > I've said specifically it has a PDF converter. It must have; the printer > > does not understand PDF. > > Once again, I don't understand this statement because I don't > under

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread David Wright
On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 08:43:06 (+0100), jdd wrote: > Le 14/03/2016 04:48, David Wright a écrit : > > >Why bother? The AirPrint technology built into the MFC-J5720DW printer > >can do that. Why can't CUPS send PDF down the wire to the printer, > >thereby avoiding all the driver-crap? You've just sa

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread jdd
Le 14/03/2016 04:48, David Wright a écrit : Why bother? The AirPrint technology built into the MFC-J5720DW printer can do that. Why can't CUPS send PDF down the wire to the printer, thereby avoiding all the driver-crap? You've just said "The AirPrint facility handles a PDF" (requoted above). Why

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-13 Thread David Wright
On Sun 13 Mar 2016 at 19:32:04 (+), Brian wrote: > On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 23:43:27 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 09:56:37 (+), Brian wrote: > > > > > The PDL of choice for AirPrint capable devices is PDF. A PDF document > > > sent to an Airprint capable printer is

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-13 Thread jdd
Le 13/03/2016 20:40, Brian a écrit : *Direct* PDF printing is usually indicated in the printer's literature. nothing is never sure. When it's so easy to try why don't? this airprint feature is surprising In what way? if it don't support pdf... but may be there is a pdf translator in t

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-13 Thread Brian
On Sun 13 Mar 2016 at 20:21:45 +0100, jdd wrote: > Le 13/03/2016 20:12, David Wright a écrit : > > >As I said, you're in a different price bracket. Guessing by what I've > >seen, it's partly because PDF printing tends to come with lasers > >and ethernet, ie for office documents, not home photogra

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-13 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 23:43:27 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 09:56:37 (+), Brian wrote: > > > The PDL of choice for AirPrint capable devices is PDF. A PDF document > > sent to an Airprint capable printer is converted to BUL (the Brother > > Unknown Language) as it would b

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-13 Thread jdd
Le 13/03/2016 20:12, David Wright a écrit : As I said, you're in a different price bracket. Guessing by what I've seen, it's partly because PDF printing tends to come with lasers and ethernet, ie for office documents, not home photographs. but did you really try to send a pdf to your printer?

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-13 Thread David Wright
On Sun 13 Mar 2016 at 09:04:47 (+0100), jdd wrote: > Le 13/03/2016 05:34, David Wright a écrit : > > >Well, let's assume that most people buy their equipment rather than > >being given it for free. > > I also bought one for $25 (the two of them had already 200.000 > copies done :-) - but it's an

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-13 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 22:34:41 -0600 David Wright wrote: ... > The HP5M is solely a printer which is fine as far as it goes, but now > I need to buy a scanner, and quite possibly a fax machine, as well. > AFAICT I'd have to use it through a parallel (or serial?) interface. > This laptop has neithe

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-13 Thread jdd
Le 13/03/2016 05:34, David Wright a écrit : Well, let's assume that most people buy their equipment rather than being given it for free. I also bought one for $25 (the two of them had already 200.000 copies done :-) - but it's an obsolete machine now of course it was trash bin machines, mos

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread David Wright
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 09:56:37 (+), Brian wrote: > On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 12:39:58 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 17:48:01 (+), Brian wrote: > > > > > > The AirPrint facility handles a PDF (it has to). > > > > I don't understand this statement. If a printer doesn't

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread David Wright
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 08:44:48 (+0100), jdd wrote: > Le 11/03/2016 21:28, David Wright a écrit : > > >You must live in a different price bracket from me. > > nope. I had at least two HP5M for free ten years ago... they died > recently. Well, let's assume that most people buy their equipment rat

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 15:27:00 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 15:01:58 Brian wrote: > > > On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 14:08:58 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > My Brother HL3170CDW has a wireless interface, but no clue as to its > > > usability with airprint, mainly because I ha

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 15:01:58 Brian wrote: > On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 14:08:58 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > My Brother HL3170CDW has a wireless interface, but no clue as to its > > usability with airprint, mainly because I have it disabled in its > > own menu's and have not explored that route

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 17:01:36 -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 19:18:25 + > Brian wrote: > > > A big spoon for stirring and continuing to spread this view would be > > more suitable. :) > > > > Debian is not about freedom of choice. Can this be seen in the Social > > Cont

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Ron
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 19:18:25 + Brian wrote: > > > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants > > > > to use binary blobs?? > > > Because, it seems, for some people "Linux is about freedom of choice" > > > means "you are free to accept MY choices, and no other". >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 14:08:58 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > My Brother HL3170CDW has a wireless interface, but no clue as to its > usability with airprint, mainly because I have it disabled in its own > menu's and have not explored that route to moving data. The existence of a wireless interfac

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 14:18:25 Brian wrote: > On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 13:47:06 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 12 March 2016 08:21:14 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 + > > > > > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant t

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 12 March 2016 19:13:20 Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 12 March 2016 18:22:11 Brian wrote: > > > It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > > > > > > > vegetables or not?". Sorry, Brian. Of course you didn't say that. It is one of the snags of KMail that it som

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 13:47:06 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 08:21:14 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 + > > > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants > > > to use binary blobs?? > > > > Be

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 13:30:45 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 18:22:11 Brian wrote: > > It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > > > > > vegetables or not?". > > Did anyone ever really claim that snails are vegetables??? I find > that hard to believe! > > Li

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 13:22:11 Brian wrote: > On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 08:50:49 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > > fun at those who try to put some effort into a

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 08:21:14 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 + > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants > > to use binary blobs?? > > Because, it seems, for some people "Linux is about freedom of choice" > means "

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:46:08 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:50:49 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > > fun at those who try to put some effort into

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 12 March 2016 18:22:11 Brian wrote: > It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > > > vegetables or not?". Did anyone ever really claim that snails are vegetables??? I find that hard to believe! Lisi

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 08:50:49 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > blobs. It reminds me of the poking at v

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Ron
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 + Lisi Reisz wrote: > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants to use > binary blobs?? Because, it seems, for some people "Linux is about freedom of choice" means "you are free to accept MY choices, and no other". Cheers, Ron. --

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 14:00:00 +0100, jdd wrote: > Le 12/03/2016 13:22, Brian a écrit : > > >on the printer. AirPrint uses exactly the same printer as CUPS but > >the conversion done by brother_lpdwrapper_mfcj5720dw has to be on > >the printer in firmware. Then the RIP takes over. The RIP is not

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 12/03/2016 11:32 PM, deloptes wrote: > IMO it is not likely that one adds a spy software on such low cost device - > what for? If you want to print confidentail information - there are other > types of printers and setups you could do so. Well, it doesn't need to have it's own /spyware/

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread jdd
Le 12/03/2016 13:22, Brian a écrit : on the printer. AirPrint uses exactly the same printer as CUPS but the conversion done by brother_lpdwrapper_mfcj5720dw has to be on the printer in firmware. Then the RIP takes over. The RIP is not converting PDF to raster format. There is no PDF interpreter

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:50:49 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > blobs. It reminds me of the poking at veget

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread deloptes
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > blobs. It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > vegetable

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 12:15:38 +0100, jdd wrote: > Le 12/03/2016 10:56, Brian a écrit : > > >The PDL of choice for AirPrint capable devices is PDF. A PDF document > > >The important word is "direct". The MFC-J5720DW doesn't have a PDF > >interpreter. Hence the silence. > > it have one for airp

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 02:50:49 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 05:02:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > [...] > > > Yup, that they do. They also cost around 35,000 USD to put it on > > YOUR > > Now you're exaggerating. No I am not. We (the tv station where I spent my last

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread jdd
Le 12/03/2016 10:56, Brian a écrit : The PDL of choice for AirPrint capable devices is PDF. A PDF document The important word is "direct". The MFC-J5720DW doesn't have a PDF interpreter. Hence the silence. it have one for airprint, but may be this one is only available for aiprint, not f

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 12:39:58 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 17:48:01 (+), Brian wrote: > > > > The AirPrint facility handles a PDF (it has to). > > I don't understand this statement. If a printer doesn't have a PS > interpreter (or emulation thereof), are you saying tha

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread jdd
Le 12/03/2016 08:50, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit : So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary blobs. no, not for me. there are two parts: having a har

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 05:02:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] > Yup, that they do. They also cost around 35,000 USD to put it on YOUR Now you're exaggerating. We have an (oldish) Brother "laser" networked printer which was quite affordable a

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-11 Thread jdd
Le 11/03/2016 21:28, David Wright a écrit : You must live in a different price bracket from me. nope. I had at least two HP5M for free ten years ago... they died recently. There are ps compatible printer for cheap for years now. for pdf, I only have seen this on news papers, but the subject

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