Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-24 Thread Max Nikulin
On 24/04/2025 15:06, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 11:32:23AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: ISO 14289 is an accessibility standard for PDF. It allows for the creation of a "Tagged PDF" where semantic information, including table structures (, , , ), can be embedded in a separat

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-24 Thread jeremy ardley
On 24/4/25 16:06, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: Informal advice is always "Write it in Word, then let Word convert it to PDF" That works if the author is disciplined and knows how to tag, heading orders and so on - but it can still produce tagged PDFs that are nominally accessible to screen readers

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-24 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 08:48:43AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 11:32:23AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > > > > On 24/4/25 10:31, Max Nikulin wrote: > > > > > > By the way, PDF files may be tagged for screen readers. Is there a > > > dedicated structure to explicitly ma

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-23 Thread tomas
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 11:32:23AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > > On 24/4/25 10:31, Max Nikulin wrote: > > > > By the way, PDF files may be tagged for screen readers. Is there a > > dedicated structure to explicitly mark tables? It would be the best > > source for data extraction. > > > ISO 14

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-23 Thread Max Nikulin
ction tool. In that mode clicking left mouse button and dragging will give the option of selecting the text of the document. Then, just click with the right mouse button to copy to the clipboard or speak the current selection. Tools → Table Selection (Ctrl+5) Draw a rectangle around the text for

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-23 Thread jeremy ardley
On 24/4/25 10:31, Max Nikulin wrote: By the way, PDF files may be tagged for screen readers. Is there a dedicated structure to explicitly mark tables? It would be the best source for data extraction. ISO 14289 is an accessibility standard for PDF. It allows for the creation of a "Tagged

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-22 Thread jeremy ardley
On 23/4/25 10:37, Max Nikulin wrote: I would be great if a data extractor warned users when text from document (either really text or embedded OCR layer for scans) does not match text recognized from rendered document. Besides routine sanity checks, document author might try to intentionally

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-22 Thread Max Nikulin
if a data extractor warned users when text from document (either really text or embedded OCR layer for scans) does not match text recognized from rendered document. Besides routine sanity checks, document author might try to intentionally add some tricks with fonts aiming to confuse indexers or h

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-21 Thread jeremy ardley
in. I consider that slightly more risky as what you see rendered or printed and what some programs see internal to the pdf varies I could not find 4.14 but converted table 4.12 instead into markdown and csv using Claude 3.7 Sonata … but not being able to find 4.14! That's remarkable 🙂 Th

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-21 Thread David Wright
On Fri 18 Apr 2025 at 11:09:52 (+0800), jeremy ardley wrote: > On 15/4/25 22:19, Richard Owlett wrote: > > I don't know how to approach the problem. > > What I would like to end up with is a CSV formatted file > > containing the two left columns of Table A4.14 (pages 106&107) of > > [ > > https://

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-19 Thread Titus Newswanger
On 4/18/25 02:53, jeremy ardley wrote: Obviously you've never had to herd junior developers. I have had to. It sucks and productivity is woeful due to all the checking and unit testing and such, plus they quite often have comprehension problems and are unable to follow instructions - and I'

xdf IS solution to "How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?"

2025-04-18 Thread Richard Owlett
ressing/holding left mouse button 4. save desired data by clicking middle mouse button 5. open destination document in notepad 6. select desired insertion point with left mouse button 7. insert by clicking middle mouse button Repeat 2-7 as required. Do desired cosmetic cleanup. After seeing the result I begin to doubt the need for creating a csv file for my end use.

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-18 Thread jeremy ardley
On 15/4/25 22:19, Richard Owlett wrote: I don't know how to approach the problem. What I would like to end up with is a CSV formatted file containing the two left columns of Table A4.14 (pages 106&107) of [ https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/files/resource-files/TFP2021.pdf ]. Sug

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-18 Thread Richard Owlett
On 4/17/25 10:09 PM, jeremy ardley wrote: On 15/4/25 22:19, Richard Owlett wrote: I don't know how to approach the problem. What I would like to end up with is a CSV formatted file containing the two left columns of Table A4.14 (pages 106&107) of [ https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-18 Thread Richard Owlett
On 4/17/25 9:45 PM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 17 Apr 2025 at 14:24:35 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: On 4/16/25 8:35 AM, David Wright wrote: Ironically, a copy/paste from xpdf seems to do a better job than -layout at preserving the columns widths over the page break. (Perhaps the text at the b

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-18 Thread jeremy ardley
On 18/4/25 15:43, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: I see my colleagues now writing programs with LLMs. I don't look forward to the day I'll have to debug a larger corpus of this mess. Obviously you've never had to herd junior developers. I have had to. It sucks and productivity is woeful due to all

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-18 Thread tomas
On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 01:35:19PM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > > On 18/4/25 13:10, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > I'm not sure if it is mentioned but just take a picture of each page and > > > ask > > > a good Large Language Model to give you a table. > > After this, I'd double-check each indivi

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-17 Thread jeremy ardley
On 18/4/25 13:35, jeremy ardley wrote: Another strategy is to use two models and compare the outputs or use the same model in two sessions. I tried the two model approach and compared perplexity with Claude Sonnet and asked Claude Sonnet to check the results. *Query* I have checked you

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-17 Thread jeremy ardley
On 18/4/25 13:10, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: I'm not sure if it is mentioned but just take a picture of each page and ask a good Large Language Model to give you a table. After this, I'd double-check each individual number. You'll never know if they are being made up, otherwise. I've been doin

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-17 Thread tomas
On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 11:09:52AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: [...] > I'm not sure if it is mentioned but just take a picture of each page and ask > a good Large Language Model to give you a table. After this, I'd double-check each individual number. You'll never know if they are being made up,

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-17 Thread David Wright
On Thu 17 Apr 2025 at 14:24:35 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 4/16/25 8:35 AM, David Wright wrote: > > Ironically, a copy/paste from xpdf seems to do a better job > > than -layout at preserving the columns widths over the page break. > > (Perhaps the text at the bottom of the second page messe

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-17 Thread Detlef Vollmann
On 4/17/25 21:24, Richard Owlett wrote: Selected text can be copied to the clipboard (with the edit/copy menu item). On X11, selected text will be available in the X selection buffer. Where is a Toolbar with a sidebar button? I've never seen such a "sidebar button". However, on the left ma

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-17 Thread Richard Owlett
selection criteria to "Fixed width", and then in the "ruler" bar above the text, click where you want a column divider (like at Columns 39, 60, and 76; just eyeball it. Finish importing the document, and now you have a spreadsheet with the info you want that should be pretty easy

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-16 Thread David Wright
n open LibreCalc, and File/Open this file. When the import options > > window appears, change the selection criteria to "Fixed width", and then in > > the "ruler" bar above the text, click where you want a column divider (like > > at Columns 39, 60, and 76; just

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-16 Thread Kent West
, and File/Open this file. When the import options window appears, change the selection criteria to "Fixed width", and then in the "ruler" bar above the text, click where you want a column divider (like at Columns 39, 60, and 76; just eyeball it. Finish importing the documen

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-16 Thread Richard Owlett
.us/sites/default/files/resource-files/ TFP2021.pdf ]. Suggestions? TIA I normally open the document in Atril Document Viewer, select the content I want, copy the selection to the clipboard, open LibreOffice Calc (opens with a new spreadsheet), and paste.  The crux is whatever file structure the

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-16 Thread Richard Owlett
ndow appears, change the selection criteria to "Fixed width", and then in the "ruler" bar above the text, click where you want a column divider (like at Columns 39, 60, and 76; just eyeball it. Finish importing the document, and now you have a spreadsheet with the info you want t

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-16 Thread Richard Owlett
On 4/15/25 10:31 AM, Nicolas George wrote: Richard Owlett (HE12025-04-15): I don't know how to approach the problem. What I would like to end up with is a CSV formatted file containing the two left columns of Table A4.14 (pages 106&107) of [ https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/files/reso

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-15 Thread David Christensen
P2021.pdf ]. Suggestions? TIA I normally open the document in Atril Document Viewer, select the content I want, copy the selection to the clipboard, open LibreOffice Calc (opens with a new spreadsheet), and paste. The crux is whatever file structure the author's software used to generate the PD

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-15 Thread Nicolas George
Richard Owlett (HE12025-04-15): > I don't know how to approach the problem. > What I would like to end up with is a CSV formatted file containing the two > left columns of Table A4.14 (pages 106&107) of > [ > https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/files/resource-files/TFP2021.pdf > ]. > > Sug

How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-15 Thread Richard Owlett
I don't know how to approach the problem. What I would like to end up with is a CSV formatted file containing the two left columns of Table A4.14 (pages 106&107) of [ https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/files/resource-files/TFP2021.pdf ]. Suggestions? TIA

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

2025-04-15 Thread Kent West
, change the selection criteria to "Fixed width", and then in the "ruler" bar above the text, click where you want a column divider (like at Columns 39, 60, and 76; just eyeball it. Finish importing the document, and now you have a spreadsheet with the info you want that should

Re: software to document and develop projects

2025-02-11 Thread Max Nikulin
On 08/02/2025 22:13, Michel Verdier wrote: Emacs org mode can handle mixed code / documentation Specifically for octave some examples are provided in https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/languages/ob-doc-octave.html (use the .org suffix to get the source file). Using "bare" engine promp

Re: software to document and develop projects

2025-02-11 Thread Gary L. Roach
On 2/7/25 17:28, Gary L. Roach wrote: I have been trying  to find a software package that would allow me to do math calculations along with running documentation.I have tried using -Octave but it doesn't allow modification of content once you hit the enter key. After a few mistakes and corre

Re: software to document and develop projects

2025-02-08 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025, 7:52 AM wrote: > "Gary L. Roach" wrote: > > I have been trying to find a software package that would allow me to > > do math calculations along with running documentation.I have tried > > using -Octave but it doesn't allow modification of content once you > > hit the enter

Re: software to document and develop projects

2025-02-08 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2025-02-07, Van Snyder wrote: > I wrote a simple processor that looks for comments that begin !{ in my > Fortran codes and writes a LaTeX file, which I then process into PDF. > Lets me see gorgeously LaTeX typeset math beside my code. Emacs org mode can handle mixed code / documentation

Re: software to document and develop projects

2025-02-08 Thread debian-user
"Gary L. Roach" wrote: > I have been trying  to find a software package that would allow me to > do math calculations along with running documentation.I have tried > using -Octave but it doesn't allow modification of content once you > hit the enter key. After a few mistakes and corrections things

Re: software to document and develop projects

2025-02-08 Thread Richard Owlett
On 2/8/25 12:56 AM, Geert Stappers wrote: On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 05:28:43PM -0800, Gary L. Roach wrote: I have been trying  to find a software package that would allow me to do math calculations along with running documentation.I have tried using -Octave but it doesn't allow modification of con

Re: software to document and develop projects

2025-02-07 Thread Geert Stappers
On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 05:28:43PM -0800, Gary L. Roach wrote: > I have been trying  to find a software package that would allow me to do > math calculations along with running documentation.I have tried using > -Octave but it doesn't allow modification of content once you hit the enter > key. Afte

Re: software to document and develop projects

2025-02-07 Thread Van Snyder
On Fri, 2025-02-07 at 17:28 -0800, Gary L. Roach wrote: > I have been trying  to find a software package that would allow me to > do math calculations along with running documentation.I have tried > using -Octave but it doesn't allow modification of content once you > hit the enter key. After a few

software to document and develop projects

2025-02-07 Thread Gary L. Roach
I have been trying  to find a software package that would allow me to do math calculations along with running documentation.I have tried using -Octave but it doesn't allow modification of content once you hit the enter key. After a few mistakes and corrections things get so messy that content i

Re: wierd document under /run/user/1000 directory

2023-08-23 Thread Max Nikulin
On 24/08/2023 03:06, Gary L. Roach wrote: *d? ? ?    ?  ?    ? doc* What is with the last entry on the above list.This is the contents of my /run/user/1000 directory. Have a look in output of "mount" portal on /run/user/1000/doc type fuse.portal (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime

Re: wierd document under /run/user/1000 directory

2023-08-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 01:06:05PM -0700, Gary L. Roach wrote: > drwxr-xr-x 2 gary gary 120 Aug 20 10:19 akonadi > drwx-- 2 gary gary  60 Aug 20 10:19 at-spi > srw-rw-rw- 1 gary gary   0 Aug 20 10:18 bus > drwx-- 3 gary gary  60 Aug 20 10:18 dbus-1 > drwx-- 2 gary gary  60 Aug 20 10:18

wierd document under /run/user/1000 directory

2023-08-23 Thread Gary L. Roach
drwxr-xr-x 2 gary gary 120 Aug 20 10:19 akonadi drwx-- 2 gary gary  60 Aug 20 10:19 at-spi srw-rw-rw- 1 gary gary   0 Aug 20 10:18 bus drwx-- 3 gary gary  60 Aug 20 10:18 dbus-1 drwx-- 2 gary gary  60 Aug 20 10:18 dconf *d? ? ?    ?  ?    ? doc* What is with the la

Re: Looking for "Package Verification with dpkg: Implementation" Document

2023-03-07 Thread David Wright
On Tue 07 Mar 2023 at 12:19:21 (+0100), Cédric Van Rompay wrote: > > I was looking at [the debsig-verify project]( > https://salsa.debian.org/dpkg-team/debsig-verify) and I cannot find which > document is refered to in this part of the man pages: > > > This program implem

Re: Looking for "Package Verification with dpkg: Implementation" Document

2023-03-07 Thread Max Nikulin
On 07/03/2023 18:19, Cédric Van Rompay wrote: > This program implements the verification specs defined in the document, "Package Verification with dpkg: Implementation", which is a more complete reference for the verification procedure. ... Any idea which document is this referi

Looking for "Package Verification with dpkg: Implementation" Document

2023-03-07 Thread Cédric Van Rompay
Hi, I was looking at [the debsig-verify project]( https://salsa.debian.org/dpkg-team/debsig-verify) and I cannot find which document is refered to in this part of the man pages: > This program implements the verification specs defined in the document, "Package Verification w

Re: Rant: The need for books to document things (was: Re: Virtual Machines)

2022-08-22 Thread Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ
On Montag, 22. August 2022 14:47:15 -04 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 01:58:57PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Monday, August 22, 2022 08:50:02 AM Tom Browder wrote: > > > Can anyone recommend a good book on the general topic of VMs? Or > > > one on a specific VM stac

Re: Rant: The need for books to document things (was: Re: Virtual Machines)

2022-08-22 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
n SSH. > Aside: I'm hoping to do my part -- when I get an understanding of the parts > of > ssh I want to understand to my level of satisfaction, I intend to document it > (on my WikiLearn wiki). I might even document it before then with notes > about > things I'

Re: Rant: The need for books to document things (was: Re: Virtual Machines)

2022-08-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 01:58:57PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: It just seems documentation ought to be better / simpler / easier to use than that. There's an inverse correlation between completeness and simplicity. If you don't want to read a 700 page book, the other alternative is to sp

Rant: The need for books to document things (was: Re: Virtual Machines)

2022-08-22 Thread rhkramer
y level of satisfaction, I intend to document it (on my WikiLearn wiki). I might even document it before then with notes about things I'm uncertain about or may have just plain omitted (for lack of information). (I say that because I've spent too much time on this, and we'll

AW: Re: nvidia-legacy-390xx - document not correct

2022-07-25 Thread hans . ullrich
Yes, I know. But as this is not a real bug IMHO, I wrote here, as I belive, package maintainers do read here, too. Maybe I should file a bugreport, too. Best regards Hans Am Mon, 25 Jul 2022 13:41:23 -0400, The Wanderer schrieb: On 2022-07-25 at 13:12, Hans wrote: > Dear meintainers, You

Re: nvidia-legacy-390xx - document not correct

2022-07-25 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-07-25 at 13:12, Hans wrote: > Dear meintainers, Your mail was sent not to the package maintainers, but to the debian-user mailing list, which is populated primarily by fellow users of Debian. We can suggest and advise each other, but we have no more ability to get package contents and des

nvidia-legacy-390xx - document not correct

2022-07-25 Thread Hans
Dear meintainers, I ŕan into an issue with optimus and an nvidia card. Fist the hardware: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (re v 09) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF119M [Quadro NVS 4

Re: How to rotate then save a PDF document?

2022-01-13 Thread David Wright
ell as with the CPU/size statistics. > The GUI is not the problem here. No, not for the OP, who only has one document to rotate. But who wants to repeat « File→Open, Image→Rotate, 90°, OK, Export » a thousand times, even when you're operating on an appropriate object, like a photograph. Tha

Re: How to rotate then save a PDF document?

2022-01-13 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 19:44:23 +0100 Siard wrote: > The GUI is not the problem here. But GIMP works with raster images, so > everything that is vectorized, including text, is transformed to a > rasterized image, causing loss of sharpness and a drastic increase in > file size. So GIMP is just not su

Re: How to rotate then save a PDF document?

2022-01-13 Thread Siard
David Wright wrote: > Finally, using a GUI doesn't scale well. [...] Clicking one's way round > a GUI can't compete. The GUI is not the problem here. But GIMP works with raster images, so everything that is vectorized, including text, is transformed to a rasterized image, causing loss of sharpness

Re: How to rotate then save a PDF document?

2022-01-13 Thread David Wright
Typically I have no need to modify PDF documents. > > > I received a reading a long reading list which needs to be > > > rotated left to be read. Atril rotates it but does not save it > > > as rotated. > > > > > > What's the simplest tool to permanen

Re: How to rotate then save a PDF document?

2022-01-11 Thread Curt
hat's the simplest tool to permanently rotate that specific document? > TIA > > > qpdf in.pdf out.pdf --rotate=+90 (clockwise for all pages, I think, but may depend on the version you're running).

Re: How to rotate then save a PDF document?

2022-01-11 Thread Richard Owlett
does not save it as rotated. What's the simplest tool to permanently rotate that specific document? TIA I'd go with GIMP. Simply open any .pdf file and use Transform function ( Image > Transform > Rotate... ). After that Export ( File > Export As ) the edited document as a

Re: How to rotate then save a PDF document?

2022-01-11 Thread David Wright
t as rotated. > > What's the simplest tool to permanently rotate that specific document? $ pdftk original.pdf cat 1-endeast output rotated.pdf $ pdftk original.pdf cat 1-endwest output rotated.pdf depending on (anti)clockwise requirement. Cheers, David.

Re: How to rotate then save a PDF document?

2022-01-11 Thread Jim Popovitch
t as rotated. > > What's the simplest tool to permanently rotate that specific document? > TIA > PDF Arranger https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pdfarranger -Jim P.

Re: How to rotate then save a PDF document?

2022-01-11 Thread Georgi Naplatanov
hat's the simplest tool to permanently rotate that specific document? > TIA > > Hi Richard, I'm not 100% sure but you can try Gimp. Kind regards Georgi

Re: How to rotate then save a PDF document?

2022-01-11 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
tool to permanently rotate that specific document? TIA I'd go with GIMP. Simply open any .pdf file and use Transform function ( Image > Transform > Rotate... ). After that Export ( File > Export As ) the edited document as a new file and check the results in .pdf viewer. GIMP wil

How to rotate then save a PDF document?

2022-01-11 Thread Richard Owlett
I use MATE and thus use Atril as viewer. Typically I have no need to modify PDF documents. I received a reading a long reading list which needs to be rotated left to be read. Atril rotates it but does not save it as rotated. What's the simplest tool to permanently rotate that specific doc

Re: Bug#977358: release-notes: document how to make the rescue mode usable if no root password is set (buster)

2021-03-21 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 21.03.2021 12:40, Andrei POPESCU wrote: [Bcc: debian-boot] Dear Debian-User subscribers, The Release Notes editor is asking whether this is still an issue for bullseye (i.e. if the patch to Debian Installer mentioned below was applied in the meantime). It will be a while until I get to chec

Re: Bug#977358: release-notes: document how to make the rescue mode usable if no root password is set (buster)

2021-03-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
[Bcc: debian-boot] Dear Debian-User subscribers, The Release Notes editor is asking whether this is still an issue for bullseye (i.e. if the patch to Debian Installer mentioned below was applied in the meantime). It will be a while until I get to check that. If someone can confirm either way

Re: Bug#977358: release-notes: document how to make the rescue mode usable if no root password is set (buster)

2020-12-14 Thread nickgeovanis
Thanks Andrei. On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 5:15 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Package: release-notes > X-Debbugs-CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Dear Release Notes Maintainers, > > Some text based on below would make sense for the Release Notes for > buster. If agreed I'll try to come up with a word

Bug#977358: release-notes: document how to make the rescue mode usable if no root password is set (buster)

2020-12-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
Package: release-notes X-Debbugs-CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org Dear Release Notes Maintainers, Some text based on below would make sense for the Release Notes for buster. If agreed I'll try to come up with a wording. On Lu, 07 dec 20, 10:11:48, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Dec 05, 2020 at

Re: folders (was Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED])

2020-09-02 Thread tomas
On Wed, Sep 02, 2020 at 12:40:21PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: [...] > > I think it's an antipattern, but of course anyone's mileage may vary. > > Having had to explain "computer stuff" to various people over the time > (often older than me) I found the folder analogy to be easier to > unders

Re: folders (was Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED])

2020-09-02 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 01 sep 20, 15:53:17, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 06:48:22AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > > On 2020-09-01 at 04:29, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > > [1] Why people keep insisting in calling those things "folders" is > > >beyond me. They don't "fold" anything, do th

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

2020-09-01 Thread John Crawley
On 2020-09-01 23:11, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 10:03:27AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, September 01, 2020 04:29:55 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [1] Why people keep insisting in calling those things "folders" is beyond me. They don't "fold" anything, do th

Re: folders (was Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED])

2020-09-01 Thread Marek Mosiewicz
In fact it used to be called directory, before GUI shells emerged. So MS DOS to dispaly content of "folder" used command named dir. Cheers, Marek Mosiewicz W dniu wto, 01.09.2020 o godzinie 06∶48 -0400, użytkownik The Wanderer napisał: > On 2020-09-01 at 04:29, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > >

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

2020-09-01 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 10:34:59AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 04:08:45PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > That depends on context, program, etc. But if you give the program > > an absolute path, every directory from the root down to the file > > has to be readable for y

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

2020-09-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 04:08:45PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > That depends on context, program, etc. But if you give the program > an absolute path, every directory from the root down to the file > has to be readable for your program. Every directory in the path must have the +x bit for you.

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

2020-09-01 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 10:03:27AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, September 01, 2020 04:29:55 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [1] Why people keep insisting in calling those things "folders" is > >beyond me. They don't "fold" anything, do they? > > (My day to make extraneous resp

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

2020-09-01 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 11:02:18PM +1000, elvis wrote: > > On 1/9/20 6:29 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 04:57:28PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > > > >[...] > > > >>Just to be clear, the folder I had to change permissions on is the > &

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

2020-09-01 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, September 01, 2020 04:29:55 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > [1] Why people keep insisting in calling those things "folders" is >beyond me. They don't "fold" anything, do they? (My day to make extraneous responses? ;-) Historical: file folders hold documents in file cabinets...

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

2020-09-01 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 9:34 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 09:30:15AM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > Directories go back, even before Windows: The MSDOS Equivalent to ls is > > dir, which I "guess" means "List Directory". > > > > Ah yes, the "Good old days". > > Yup, but very

Folders [was: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]]

2020-09-01 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 08:05:32AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 10:29:55AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [1] Why people keep insisting in calling those things "folders" is > >beyond me. They don't "fold" anything, do they? > > It's a Microsoft Windows thing. Wind

Re: folders (was Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED])

2020-09-01 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 06:48:22AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2020-09-01 at 04:29, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > [1] Why people keep insisting in calling those things "folders" is > >beyond me. They don't "fold" anything, do they? > > As I understand matters, it's an extension of the "de

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

2020-09-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 09:30:15AM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > Directories go back, even before Windows: The MSDOS Equivalent to ls is > dir, which I "guess" means "List Directory". > > Ah yes, the "Good old days". Yup, but very few of the Microsoft Windows users today have a background in MS

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

2020-09-01 Thread Dan Ritter
elvis wrote: > > On 1/9/20 6:29 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 04:57:28PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > Just to be clear, the folder I had to change permissions on is the > > > > > document roo

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

2020-09-01 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 8:05 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 10:29:55AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [1] Why people keep insisting in calling those things "folders" is > >beyond me. They don't "fold" anything, do they? > > It's a Microsoft Windows thing. Windows presents

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

2020-09-01 Thread elvis
On 1/9/20 6:29 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 04:57:28PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: [...] Just to be clear, the folder I had to change permissions on is the To be able to access a file given its path, you need to have read access to each directory [1] along that path. Ther

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

2020-09-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 10:29:55AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > [1] Why people keep insisting in calling those things "folders" is >beyond me. They don't "fold" anything, do they? It's a Microsoft Windows thing. Windows presents directories and files graphically, and the icon for a direct

folders (was Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED])

2020-09-01 Thread The Wanderer
On 2020-09-01 at 04:29, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > [1] Why people keep insisting in calling those things "folders" is >beyond me. They don't "fold" anything, do they? As I understand matters, it's an extension of the "desktop" metaphor. Back before computers (and to some extent afterward), pe

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

2020-09-01 Thread tomas
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 04:57:28PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: [...] > Just to be clear, the folder I had to change permissions on is the > document root, To be able to access a file given its path, you need to have read access to each directory [1] along that path. There isn't anoth

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

2020-08-31 Thread mick crane
On 2020-08-31 21:57, Gary Dale wrote: Just to be clear, the folder I had to change permissions on is the I think the document root is just where apache2 looks first. *Don't know if you are supposed to do it like that* but think the actual html files can be anywhere so long as they hav

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

2020-08-31 Thread Gary Dale
ate a virtual host under /var/www, everything works as expected. However, if I change the virtual host's document root to another folder on the same machine, I get |Forbidden You don't have permission to access this resource. Apache/2.4.38 (Debian) Server at .local Port 80 | where I use .l

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

2020-08-31 Thread Gary Dale
thing works as expected. However, if I change the virtual host's document root to another folder on the same machine, I get |Forbidden You don't have permission to access this resource. Apache/2.4.38 (Debian) Server at .local Port 80 | where I use .local instead of the live site's act

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?

2020-08-31 Thread Gary Dale
hange the virtual host's document root to another folder on the same machine, I get |Forbidden You don't have permission to access this resource. Apache/2.4.38 (Debian) Server at .local Port 80 | where I use .local instead of the live site's actual TLD to refer to my local server.

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?

2020-08-30 Thread john doe
On 8/30/2020 7:08 PM, john doe wrote: On 8/30/2020 6:27 PM, Gary Dale wrote: I'm running Apache 2.4.38-3+deb10u3 on a Debian/Stable server on an AMD64 machine. When I create a virtual host under /var/www, everything works as expected. However, if I change the virtual host's docume

Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?

2020-08-30 Thread john doe
On 8/30/2020 6:27 PM, Gary Dale wrote: I'm running Apache 2.4.38-3+deb10u3 on a Debian/Stable server on an AMD64 machine. When I create a virtual host under /var/www, everything works as expected. However, if I change the virtual host's document root to another folder on the same mach

Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?

2020-08-30 Thread Gary Dale
I'm running Apache 2.4.38-3+deb10u3 on a Debian/Stable server on an AMD64 machine. When I create a virtual host under /var/www, everything works as expected. However, if I change the virtual host's document root to another folder on the same machine, I get |Forbidden You

Re: 70-persistent-net-rules no longer supported? (Was Re: Document removal of ecryptfs-utils from Buster)

2019-07-08 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 02 iul 19, 08:02:22, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2019-07-01 at 03:47, Curt wrote: > > > > https://www.debian.org/releases///buster/s390x/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#migrate-interface-names > > I'm skeptical as to whether this is (still/currently) accurate. This was fixed in the mean

Re: Document removal of ecryptfs-utils from Buster

2019-07-06 Thread Richard Hector
On 2/07/19 9:13 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 01 July 2019 19:42:08 David Wright wrote: > >> On Mon 01 Jul 2019 at 15:56:14 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: >>> On Monday 01 July 2019 09:33:35 David Wright wrote: On Mon 01 Jul 2019 at 06:05:52 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: >>> Whole filesys

Re: 70-persistent-net-rules no longer supported? (Was Re: Document removal of ecryptfs-utils from Buster)

2019-07-02 Thread Geoff
The Wanderer wrote: On 2019-07-02 at 10:10, Curt wrote: On 2019-07-02, The Wanderer wrote: Not even that, it seems (no longer affects systemd). Have you confirmed that? It seems possible that on a systemd machine, things in other packages (such as whatever would provide that 99-default.lin

Re: 70-persistent-net-rules no longer supported? (Was Re: Document removal of ecryptfs-utils from Buster)

2019-07-02 Thread Brian
On Tue 02 Jul 2019 at 10:22:56 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2019-07-02 at 10:10, Curt wrote: > > > On 2019-07-02, The Wanderer wrote: > > > >>> Not even that, it seems (no longer affects systemd). > >> > >> Have you confirmed that? It seems possible that on a systemd > >> machine, things in

Re: 70-persistent-net-rules no longer supported? (Was Re: Document removal of ecryptfs-utils from Buster)

2019-07-02 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-07-02 at 10:10, Curt wrote: > On 2019-07-02, The Wanderer wrote: > >>> Not even that, it seems (no longer affects systemd). >> >> Have you confirmed that? It seems possible that on a systemd >> machine, things in other packages (such as whatever would provide >> that 99-default.link fil

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