Re: Boxed Distributions

2022-11-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 08:22:07PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Bret Busby wrote: > > Are Blu-ray drives available for computers? > > Sure. > > My oldest one is a LG BD-RE GGW-H20L of 2008. > My youngest is a ASUS BW-16D1HT which i bought recently after my > Optiarc BD-5300S died mecha

Re: Boxed Distributions

2022-11-01 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Bret Busby wrote: > Are Blu-ray drives available for computers? Sure. My oldest one is a LG BD-RE GGW-H20L of 2008. My youngest is a ASUS BW-16D1HT which i bought recently after my Optiarc BD-5300S died mechanically. > I do not know of the storage capacity for a Blu-ray disc, Single layer

Re: Boxed Distributions

2022-11-01 Thread Luna Jernberg
Yes they are On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 7:20 PM Bret Busby wrote: > > On 2/11/22 01:40, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Bret Busby wrote: > >> Someone did say that the full distribution comprises of many disks, so, > >> maybe it needs four boxes? > > > > The four jewel case edition is here: > >

Re: Boxed Distributions

2022-11-01 Thread Bret Busby
On 2/11/22 01:40, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Bret Busby wrote: Someone did say that the full distribution comprises of many disks, so, maybe it needs four boxes? The four jewel case edition is here: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-bd/ for 25 GB Blu-ray discs. Are

Re: Boxed Distributions

2022-11-01 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Bret Busby wrote: > Someone did say that the full distribution comprises of many disks, so, > maybe it needs four boxes? The four jewel case edition is here: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-bd/ for 25 GB Blu-ray discs. (There is also a twin pack for 50 GB BDDL:

Re: Boxed Distributions

2022-11-01 Thread Bret Busby
On 1/11/22 23:40, Bret Busby wrote: On 1/11/22 23:28, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 10:57:17AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: Ahhh... these are the boxed distributions? Cheers Someone did say that the

Re: Boxed Distributions

2022-11-01 Thread Bret Busby
On 1/11/22 23:28, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 10:57:17AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: Ahhh... these are the boxed distributions? Cheers Someone did say that the full distribution comprises of many disk

Re: Boxed Distributions

2022-11-01 Thread tomas
On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 10:57:17AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > > Jude > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: Ahhh... these are the boxed distributions? Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Boxed Distributions

2022-11-01 Thread Jude DaShiell
Dear Debian Friends, > > > > I was hopeful that you guys can point me in the right direction on where to > > recieve boxes distributions of Debian. > > > > Is there any way you guys can put me on a distribution list for the > > beautiful boxed distributions for Debia

Re: Boxed Distributions

2022-11-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 02:24:25AM -0400, Joe Roberts II wrote: > Dear Debian Friends, > > I was hopeful that you guys can point me in the right direction on where to > recieve boxes distributions of Debian. > > Is there any way you guys can put me on a distribution list f

Boxed Distributions

2022-10-31 Thread Joe Roberts II
Dear Debian Friends, I was hopeful that you guys can point me in the right direction on where to recieve boxes distributions of Debian. Is there any way you guys can put me on a distribution list for the beautiful boxed distributions for Debian? 😁 I respect the fact Debian stands for

Re: Need help about development of your distributions.

2019-05-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 03:02:52AM +, Ale Frataslafra wrote: Hello, I'm Alexandria F., I'm a software developer, i have all versions of your distributions of debian jessie and stretch(gnome,kde,xfce,cinnamon,lxde) downloaded, but im start in contact with you because i have some

Need help about development of your distributions.

2019-05-23 Thread Ale Frataslafra
Hello, I'm Alexandria F., I'm a software developer, i have all versions of your distributions of debian jessie and stretch(gnome,kde,xfce,cinnamon,lxde) downloaded, but im start in contact with you because i have some questions about debian live cd, for be specific(Jessie 8.0.0), my

Re: Hulu support for jessie and future linux distributions.

2015-09-11 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Fri, 11 Sep 2015, Mike Mestnik wrote: > Hulu? > http://www.hulu.com/embed.html?eid=MSsiYiNS2_ix0dgvIz5N2w error 3336. > Using some javascript bookmark was the workaround, that reveals uris > like the above. > Using Debian Jessie Chromium/peperflash. I get the same error with Wheezy and Google

Hulu support for jessie and future linux distributions.

2015-09-11 Thread Mike Mestnik
Hulu? http://www.hulu.com/embed.html?eid=MSsiYiNS2_ix0dgvIz5N2w error 3336. Using some javascript bookmark was the workaround, that reveals uris like the above. Using Debian Jessie Chromium/peperflash. ice-weasel has a bug where the binary flash-plugin can't link against a newer, now dependent, h

Debian codenames and distributions

2015-04-28 Thread David Wright
As an update of a posting I made a short while back, here's a snapshot of the current links at debian.org. As can be seen, the canonical names of distributions are the codenames, and their present state is defined by the links. The links (with exceptions) shift each time a new distributi

Re: switching distributions, but keeping KDE... how do i migrate my email?

2012-12-21 Thread Mark Neidorff
On Tuesday 18 December 2012 6:54:08 pm salamandir wrote: > i am switching from kubuntu 12.04.1 to debian squeeze 2, but i'm keeping > KDE, > > in the past, i have had considerable difficulty getting my email to migrate > successfully when i upgrade, and i'm wondering if there is a "preferred" > wa

Re: switching distributions, but keeping KDE... how do i migrate my email?

2012-12-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-12-18 at 15:54 -0800, salamandir wrote: > i am switching from kubuntu 12.04.1 to debian squeeze 2, but i'm > keeping KDE, > > > in the past, i have had considerable difficulty getting my email to > migrate > > successfully when i upgrade, and i'm wondering if there is a > "preferre

Re: switching distributions, but keeping KDE... how do i migrate my email?

2012-12-18 Thread berenger . morel
Your email data should be in your $HOME directory, so, if you keep the same versions of softwares, they should be able to reuse data without noticing the distro has changed. But for a safer way, I guess the best is so backup your $HOME dir. Le 19.12.2012 00:54, salamandir a écrit : i am switc

switching distributions, but keeping KDE... how do i migrate my email?

2012-12-18 Thread salamandir
i am switching from kubuntu 12.04.1 to debian squeeze 2, but i'm keeping KDE, in the past, i have had considerable difficulty getting my email to migrate successfully when i upgrade, and i'm wondering if there is a "preferred" way to migrate/upgrade email that doesn't lose data in the process.

Re: How to approve Linux distributions into Distrowatch?

2010-10-31 Thread Nuno Magalhães
Have you considered mailling the distrowatch folks? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktiko=jkz983nqhepny9d9cfseoazpi1yab7ke...@mail.gmail.com

How to approve Linux distributions into Distrowatch?

2010-10-31 Thread simpleLinux
Hi, How do I approve a Linux distributions just like other's did make into the database? I hate waiting list. Please, if I approved, I will be the one and only, first Linux distributions that approved on Malaysia. I hope you all could help me I'll do anything -- Fariz Luqman The C

Re: [OT] teenage slang. was: Re: [OT] Help for non-Debian distributions (was How to read log files)

2010-03-29 Thread Lisi
On Monday 29 March 2010 21:12:59 Neal Hogan wrote: > > But, as you say, this is way OT. > > Certainly, more OT than any ubuntu/debian question ;-) Quite :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debia

Re: [OT] teenage slang. was: Re: [OT] Help for non-Debian distributions (was How to read log files)

2010-03-29 Thread Neal Hogan
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Lisi wrote: > On Monday 29 March 2010 18:44:29 Stephen Powell wrote: >> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:51:08 -0400 (EDT), Lisi wrote: >> > As for KKL, I needed a translation. >> >> This is *really* off-topic, but perhaps this is it: >> >> http://www.urbandictionary.com/def

Re: [OT] teenage slang. was: Re: [OT] Help for non-Debian distributions (was How to read log files)

2010-03-29 Thread Lisi
On Monday 29 March 2010 18:44:29 Stephen Powell wrote: > On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:51:08 -0400 (EDT), Lisi wrote: > > As for KKL, I needed a translation. > > This is *really* off-topic, but perhaps this is it: > > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=KKL > > It showed up in an internet searc

Re: [WOT] Help for non-Debian distributions (was How to read log files)

2010-03-29 Thread Freeman
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 01:44:29PM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:51:08 -0400 (EDT), Lisi wrote: > > As for KKL, I needed a translation. > > This is *really* off-topic, but perhaps this is it: > > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=KKL > Eew. -- Kind Regards

Re: [OT] Help for non-Debian distributions (was How to read log files)

2010-03-29 Thread Stephen Powell
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:51:08 -0400 (EDT), Lisi wrote: > As for KKL, I needed a translation. This is *really* off-topic, but perhaps this is it: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=KKL It showed up in an internet search, but I can't access the site right now because my employer has tha

Re: [OT] Help for non-Debian distributions (was How to read log files)

2010-03-29 Thread Lisi
On Monday 29 March 2010 17:29:26 Jordan Metzmeier wrote: > While I agree that this particular issue is very general > to Linux itself, That is really the point that I was making. > people still need to learn to seek help from the > appropriate communities. I actually agree in general. Asking

Re: [OT] Help for non-Debian distributions (was How to read log files)

2010-03-29 Thread Jordan Metzmeier
> I have certainly benefitted from the question and its answers.  And Debian is > my distro of choice. > > I would take semantic exception to the questions about "we" supporting him; > since Jordan is most certainly not supporting Dotan, and the first person is > therefore inaccurate and inappropri

Re: [OT] Help for non-Debian distributions (was How to read log files)

2010-03-29 Thread Stephen Powell
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:08:52 -0400 (EDT), Camaleón wrote: > On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:47:30 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: >> If Camaleón wants to help him, we can't stop him; ... > Thanks for your understanding. BTW, I'm "her" :-) Oops! Sorry. With non-English names, I can't always tell. (Actually,

Re: [OT] Help for non-Debian distributions (was How to read log files)

2010-03-29 Thread Camaleón
re, at the time of this writing, 253 distributions based on Debian -- > far more than any other distribution! Some of these distributions are > now defunct of course, but still that's a *huge* number! > > http://distrowatch.com/search.php? category=All&origin=All&basedo

[OT] Help for non-Debian distributions (was How to read log files)

2010-03-29 Thread Stephen Powell
onegate > Ubuntu > Univention Corporate Server > Xandros > > Do we support all of them here on debian-users list? That's not even an exhaustive list. According to DistroWatch.com, there are, at the time of this writing, 253 distributions based on Debian -- far more than an

Re: Why debian sucks! [was Re: Distributions]

2008-04-04 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/04/08 11:24, Ivan Savcic wrote: [snip] > > But mixing branches (stable, testing and unstable) is a no-no, because > they depend on different versions of libraries. People quite often mix testing and unstable. Still, though, it's easier to stay

Re: Why debian sucks! [was Re: Distributions]

2008-04-04 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 06:24:41PM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote: > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Andrew Sackville-West > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Might as well draw some attention with a good subject line ;-P > > > > On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:50:02AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote: > > > > > > Wh

Re: Why debian sucks! [was Re: Distributions]

2008-04-04 Thread Ivan Savcic
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Might as well draw some attention with a good subject line ;-P > > On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:50:02AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote: > > > > While we're on the topic, can anyone sum it up, what do people > > generally

Re: Distributions

2008-04-04 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:50:02AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote: > While we're on the topic, can anyone sum it up, what do people > generally think is "bad" with Debian? > Doesn't run well on old (e.g. 10 years old) hardware. Installer needs too much memory, an install takes too much disk space.

Re: Why debian sucks! [was Re: Distributions]

2008-04-04 Thread Chris Henry
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Oh, and the other thing I don't like is how darn easy it is. It makes > it hard to learn anything past a certain point... hence my occaisional > attempts to do things the hard way... Agree! Agree completel

Why debian sucks! [was Re: Distributions]

2008-04-04 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
Might as well draw some attention with a good subject line ;-P On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:50:02AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote: > > While we're on the topic, can anyone sum it up, what do people > generally think is "bad" with Debian? The only thing I think is bad about debian is the perception of i

Re: Distributions

2008-04-04 Thread Ivan Savcic
e-candy? > | That extra 1% of performance, but occasional crashes? Who tweak their > | systems all day long, but are doing essentially nothing? > > So you are saying that there is only *one* good distro, and only *one* > correct > way of doing things (your way)? People choose differ

Re: Distributions

2008-04-03 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/08 19:11, Chris Walters wrote: [snip] > > All GNU/Linux distros I've tried use the same basic kernel (where > support for > the filesystems is built), and have the same basic GNU/Linux services. > So you > can have that stability with virtua

Re: Distributions

2008-04-03 Thread Chris Walters
yself tried and used a lot of distributions and I have used | (and plan to use more of) FreeBSD. I went through RPM hell of various | distributions, experienced compiling from source and living on the | bleeding edge with Gentoo. I even used Debian 3.0 back in the days it | was just released, thou

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-05-06 Thread John Hasler
Hal Vaughan wrote: > Isn't there an archive for non GPL'ed software, as well? There is a great deal of Free, DFSG-compliant software in Debian/Main that is not GPL'd. The X Window System is a prominent example. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-05-06 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 03:15:59PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Sunday 23 April 2006 12:23, Steve Lamb wrote: > Count me as one for apt. I like the social contract, but I have to run > a business. While I try to avoid non-FOSS, I'm not going to let my > business fail or spend months or years

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-27 Thread Bob McGowan
Mike McCarty wrote: Monique Y. Mudama wrote: On 2006-04-23, Kevin Mark penned: [some snippage] In this context, free software user can never buy the software from a company because their is no company and their is no legal monetary contact between Debian and its developers and thus no one c

Re: Social Contract WAS: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-27 Thread Steve Lamb
chris roddy wrote: > Mike McCarty wrote: >> I don't want to "change the social order" or "be >> the downfall of capitalism", or "kill MicroSoft" or any of >> the other "social goals" so often associated with Linux. > It sounds like you have gravely misunderstood the debian social > contract, or yo

Re: Social Contract WAS: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-27 Thread chris roddy
Mike McCarty wrote: > I don't want to "change the social order" or "be > the downfall of capitalism", or "kill MicroSoft" or any of > the other "social goals" so often associated with Linux. It sounds like you have gravely misunderstood the debian social contract, or you have not read it. cmr

Social Contract WAS: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-27 Thread Mike McCarty
Chris Lale wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 05:15:06PM -0500, Kent West wrote: Include my name in the list of "people for whom social contract is the #1 point" also. When Debian ceases to be Free, then Debian ceases to retain my loyalty. -- Kent >> 1 more here.

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-27 Thread Mike McCarty
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 01:20:37AM +0200, Hans du Plooy wrote: On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 15:58 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: And, of course, why there's UBUNTU and KUBUNTU. Waiting for XUBUNTU myself. ;) I want IceBUNTU :-) Hans how about wmUbinti? "Wubuntu

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-27 Thread Mike McCarty
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: On 2006-04-23, Kevin Mark penned: [some snippage] In this context, free software user can never buy the software from a company because their is no company and their is no legal monetary contact between Debian and its developers and thus no one can make the free softw

Taking care when going the closed-source route (was: Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN)

2006-04-27 Thread Rogério Brito
On Apr 21 2006, Steve Lamb wrote: > Look, comes down to this. I'm tired of wrangling with my machine to do > anything on both sides of the fence. Windows is pissing me off daily and > this constant fighting for the basic stuff now on the Linux side is pissing > me off just as much. For a time m

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-25 Thread Digby Tarvin
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 02:18:27PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tuesday 25 April 2006 10:02, Digby Tarvin wrote: > > > I don't think I am here primarily for the social contract. > [...] > > I like the policy of > > providing mechanism without mandating how it is used. > > Sounds like you summ

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 25 April 2006 10:02, Digby Tarvin wrote: > I don't think I am here primarily for the social contract. [...] > I like the policy of > providing mechanism without mandating how it is used. Sounds like you summarized the social contract in one sentence. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XM

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-25 Thread Digby Tarvin
d. There are some things in Debian that are not quite as I like them, but I am more confident that I can tailor things in Debian without having the next update put be back where I started than I am with most of the commercial distributions. It is also important to have an active and knowledgeable

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Chris Lale wrote: [ snipped 46 lines of quoted material ] > And another. Whoa, who let the AOLer in here. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-25 Thread Chris Lale
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 05:15:06PM -0500, Kent West wrote: Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: On Saturday 22 April 2006 14:14, Steve Lamb wrote: Monique Y. Mudama wrote: Well, debian is pretty obvious about its purpose. It's a link right fr

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Monday 24 April 2006 09:27, Steve Lamb wrote: > I find it > mildly ironic that people who flock to a distribution supposedly for it's > social contract are some of the most anti-social one can run across. I think Chris could just as easily say the same about you. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-24 Thread Arafangion
Doofus wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: chris roddy wrote: so, just switch to mepis and unsubscribe from debian-user already. your show has gotten tiresome. Might I suggest a filter? Or maybe just pressing delete? I find it mildly ironic that people who flock to a distribution supposedl

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-24 Thread Andrei Popescu
from the point of view of someone attempting to do > an installation on hardware that uses it - especially someone who may > not be experienced with Linux. I think nobody argued that Ubuntu is most of the times better for newcomers. > That is not a criticism of Debian or a request for

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-24 Thread Doofus
Steve Lamb wrote: chris roddy wrote: so, just switch to mepis and unsubscribe from debian-user already. your show has gotten tiresome. Might I suggest a filter? Or maybe just pressing delete? I find it mildly ironic that people who flock to a distribution supposedly for it's soci

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-24 Thread Digby Tarvin
ifferences are, rather than going into the philosophy behind each difference and long discussions about what can be done to address any area where Ubuntu seems to have an advantage. I'll grant that there may well be good reasons for the Debian installer not to be able to use my Wireless hardwar

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-24 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 01:20:37AM +0200, Hans du Plooy wrote: > On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 15:58 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > And, of course, why there's UBUNTU and KUBUNTU. Waiting for XUBUNTU > > myself. ;) > > I want IceBUNTU :-) > > Hans > how about wmUbinti? A signature.asc Descrip

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-24 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 05:15:06PM -0500, Kent West wrote: > Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > > On Saturday 22 April 2006 14:14, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > >> Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > >> > >>> Well, debian is pretty obvious about its purpose. It's a link right > >>> from the front page. Maybe

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-24 Thread Steve Lamb
chris roddy wrote: > so, just switch to mepis and unsubscribe from debian-user already. your > show has gotten tiresome. Might I suggest a filter? Or maybe just pressing delete? I find it mildly ironic that people who flock to a distribution supposedly for it's social contract are some of th

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-24 Thread chris roddy
Steve Lamb wrote: > A little more pragmatism and a little less haughty zealotry. > so, just switch to mepis and unsubscribe from debian-user already. your show has gotten tiresome. cmr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-24 Thread Andrei Popescu
Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 10:55:00AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > For example, if the licensing restrictions on the downloadable firmware > > > for > > > a particular network adapter prevent it from bei

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-24 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:56:41 -0600 "Monique Y. Mudama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Er, Christopher, you might want to take a look at the email address > Joey uses and consider the context of his message. > > Hint: http://people.debian.org/~joey/ Mmmm, wrong Joey, I think. Maybe this one is the

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-24 Thread Digby Tarvin
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 10:55:00AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > For example, if the licensing restrictions on the downloadable firmware for > > a particular network adapter prevent it from being included on the install > > CD, then perhaps the instal

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-24 Thread Andrei Popescu
Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For example, if the licensing restrictions on the downloadable firmware for > a particular network adapter prevent it from being included on the install > CD, then perhaps the install CD can be made to look for additional software > on a USB pen that can b

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 04:14:27PM -0600, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > On 2006-04-23, Kevin Mark penned: > > [some snippage] > > > In this context, free software user can never buy the software from > > a company because their is no company and their is no legal monetary > > contact between Debian

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 12:34:46AM +0100, Merlin, the Mage wrote: > On Sunday 23 April 2006 23:14, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > > I don't understand why the idea of spending money to get an open > > source solution seems, apparently, unreasonable to you.  I'm grateful > > for all of the free (as in b

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread hendrik
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 12:24:34AM +0100, Digby Tarvin wrote: > software. Or perhaps we can find a way to make it easier for people to > avoid buying hardware that relies on license restricted software in the > first place. Now *that* would be useful! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: Multiple ubuntu-based distributions

2006-04-23 Thread Jeff
Michael M. wrote: Well, this is a pretty OT question for a Debian mailing list, but does Ubuntu not work as well with an alternate DE or WM as Debian does? ... Of course it does. I've used Kubuntu with icewm. Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Merlin, the Mage
On Sunday 23 April 2006 23:14, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > I don't understand why the idea of spending money to get an open > source solution seems, apparently, unreasonable to you.  I'm grateful > for all of the free (as in beer) open source software I'm able to use. > But as a developer, I'd get m

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Digby Tarvin
y to the Debians stated goals. But it is not reasonable to object to someone pointing out the disadvantages of those goals when considering the relative merits of two distributions. There is also some confusion in that some people have been talking about software/firmware that is not excluded becaus

Re: Multiple ubuntu-based distributions

2006-04-23 Thread Michael M.
l under Debian. Is the same not true for Ubuntu? If not, that would seem to be a fairly significant difference between the two distributions (just to *try* to bring this back to the OP's question!). I remember back when I was first bewildered and overwhelmed by the sheer number of distros ou

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-23, Kevin Mark penned: [some snippage] > In this context, free software user can never buy the software from > a company because their is no company and their is no legal monetary > contact between Debian and its developers and thus no one can make > the free software developers do any

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-23, Hal Vaughan penned: >> >> Here's what I don't understand: If you like what other distributions >> do better, why are you so busy trying to convince debian to change? >> Why not just switch to one of the several distros you've mentioned? > &g

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Joey Hess
Hal Vaughan wrote: > I do know this: after the one bug report I filed recently and the lack > of dialog and negative response I got from a developer, I'll be rather > unlikely to ever file bug reports again. It's a different situation, > but the same frustration: This is the way it is, and if y

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Sunday 23 April 2006 12:23, Steve Lamb wrote: > Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > > Who are these most people, and why should it matter to the > > developers what "most people" want when they're not paying > > customers? > > Go through the archives of this list and read how many times > people cite

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Sunday 23 April 2006 12:47, Joey Hess wrote: > Hal Vaughan wrote: > > From my observation, whenever something like this comes up on this > > list, there are those who listen and are willing to pay attention > > to constructive criticism and others who can't and keep saying > > things like the ab

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Joey Hess
Hal Vaughan wrote: > From my observation, whenever something like this comes up on this list, > there are those who listen and are willing to pay attention to > constructive criticism and others who can't and keep saying things like > the above comment or developers that can't accept criticism a

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Christopher Nelson
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 10:52:33PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > Did you buy it knowing you were going to use it under linux? If so, > > it's you problem. If not, the answer's simple--don't give them any more > > money and tell us, so we don't give them money until they

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Christopher Nelson
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 09:28:43AM +0100, Doofus wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > >On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 07:31:56PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > > > > >>Christopher Nelson wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I have no idea what post you're talking about since you didn't quote it. > >>> > >>> > >

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Christopher Nelson
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 10:13:34PM -0500, Kent West wrote: > I believe you misunderstand Joey's post. He's not asking for any help. > He's just pointing out to Steve Lamb that Steve has ignored his previous > post, which follows this timeline (as I recall it). Thank you Kent and Joey and

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Hal Vaughan
wanted to be more than a badge of > > pride and actually attempt to address t he userbase every once > > and a while. > > Here's what I don't understand: If you like what other distributions > do better, why are you so busy trying to convince debian to chan

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Steve Lamb
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > Who are these most people, and why should it matter to the developers > what "most people" want when they're not paying customers? Go through the archives of this list and read how many times people cite Apt as the reason they use and stick with Debian. The social c

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Steve Lamb
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > Here's what I don't understand: If you like what other distributions > do better, why are you so busy trying to convince debian to change? > Why not just switch to one of the several distros you've mentioned? Several? I've mentioned on

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-23, Rogério Brito penned: > > He translated a helluva strings and, still, after talking with the > responsible people on IRC (to get the work of this student > integrated soon), I asked if they were willing to feed it back to > Debian or upstream and the response I got wasn't that "human

Multiple ubuntu-based distributions (was: Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN)

2006-04-23 Thread Rogério Brito
On 04/21/06 19:58, Steve Lamb wrote: > And, of course, why there's UBUNTU and KUBUNTU. Waiting for XUBUNTU > myself. ;) Indeed. I'm on the same boat here... After using "pure" ubuntu on an old laptop of mine I wouldn't expect it to run s poorly. With all the talk about Gnome getting le

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Rogério Brito
Hi there. On 04/20/06 17:21, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > If all the Ubuntu patches make into Debian then that would be a > huge boost for Debian! Well, this seems to be a point where there must be some work left to do: not all patches are being feed back to Debian (or upstream, for that matter).

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread hendrik
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 11:11:06PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Steve Lamb wrote: > > No. I am not advocating that Debian do anything legal. But there is a > > Of course I meant illegal here, not legal. Oh for the ability to stop > sending upon seeing errors like this a split second after

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-23 Thread Doofus
Christopher Nelson wrote: On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 07:31:56PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Christopher Nelson wrote: I have no idea what post you're talking about since you didn't quote it. I was referring to my only other post to this thread, namely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Okay,

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-22 Thread Steve Lamb
Steve Lamb wrote: > No. I am not advocating that Debian do anything legal. But there is a Of course I meant illegal here, not legal. Oh for the ability to stop sending upon seeing errors like this a split second after hitting send. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your prie

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-22 Thread Steve Lamb
Joey Hess wrote: > Er, my point is that whinging about Debian's policy not allowing it to > support installing to hardware that needs non-free drivers is pointless > when there are examples of hardware that needs non-free drivers which > Debian has been made to install to just fine. Most of this th

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-22 Thread Steve Lamb
Kent West wrote: > I believe you misunderstand Joey's post. He's not asking for any help. > He's just pointing out to Steve Lamb that Steve has ignored his previous > post, which follows this timeline (as I recall it). I haven't ignored it. I am just not prone to "me too" posts. If I agree w

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-22 Thread Steve Lamb
Christopher Nelson wrote: > Did you buy it knowing you were going to use it under linux? If so, > it's you problem. If not, the answer's simple--don't give them any more > money and tell us, so we don't give them money until they rectify the > situation. I bought it based on recommendations

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-22 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 10:08:12PM -0600, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > On 2006-04-22, Steve Lamb penned: > > > > Funny, the #1 point for most people is apt, not the social > > contract. #1 for *you* maybe. > > Who are these most people, and why should it matter to the developers > what "mos

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-22 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-22, Steve Lamb penned: > > Funny, the #1 point for most people is apt, not the social > contract. #1 for *you* maybe. Who are these most people, and why should it matter to the developers what "most people" want when they're not paying customers? -- monique Help us help you:

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-22 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
to address t he userbase every once > and a while. Here's what I don't understand: If you like what other distributions do better, why are you so busy trying to convince debian to change? Why not just switch to one of the several distros you've mentioned? -- monique Help

Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

2006-04-22 Thread charles norwood
On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 22:13 -0500, Kent West wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 07:31:56PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > > >> Christopher Nelson wrote: > >> Major snips > > -- > Kent Thanks Kent. I was lost, and you gave me some light. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, ema

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