Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread S.D.A.
On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 03:06:06AM +0100 or thereabouts, Pigeon wrote: [...] > There is another issue that I can see with flash (and please correct > me if I'm not accurate :-) ) which is the monolithic, binary nature of > the files - in fact this leads to two issues: You're quite right -- It'

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread Pigeon
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 09:09:27AM -0400, S.D.A. wrote: > On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:54:09AM -0400 or thereabouts, Michael Marsh wrote: > > That's true -- I wasn't aware of that. However, that doesn't address > > the issue that some people don't run Flash for one reason or another. > > Most of us

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread Pigeon
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:19:27AM -0400, S.D.A. wrote: > On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 07:54:13PM -0400 or thereabouts, Michael Marsh wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:43:07 -0400, Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, the most obvious is flashblock. > > > > I don't think that's what Pigeon

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread S.D.A.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 12:54:39PM -0700 or thereabouts, Paul Johnson wrote: > <#secure method=pgp mode=sign> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > "S.D.A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > BTW Flash technology is OPEN Source, it's NOT proprietary. Too much is said > > that's not

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread Paul Johnson
<#secure method=pgp mode=sign> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 "S.D.A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > BTW Flash technology is OPEN Source, it's NOT proprietary. Too much is said > that's not accurate regarding Flash. You're going to have to back that up. Last I checked, Macromedia

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread S.D.A.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 02:39:13PM +0100 or thereabouts, Stephen Tait wrote: > At 14:09 20/09/2004, you wrote: > >BTW Flash technology is OPEN Source, it's NOT proprietary. Too much is said > >that's not accurate regarding Flash. > > I was under the impression that flash is open source in the same

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread Stephen Tait
At 14:09 20/09/2004, you wrote: BTW Flash technology is OPEN Source, it's NOT proprietary. Too much is said that's not accurate regarding Flash. I was under the impression that flash is open source in the same way as PDF; the format is open, but the big-time applications (FlashMX, Acrobat) are ve

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread Frank Gevaerts
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:19:27AM -0400, S.D.A. wrote: > On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 07:54:13PM -0400 or thereabouts, Michael Marsh wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:43:07 -0400, Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, the most obvious is flashblock. > > > > I don't think that's what Pigeon

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread S.D.A.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:54:09AM -0400 or thereabouts, Michael Marsh wrote: > On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:19:27 -0400, S.D.A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 07:54:13PM -0400 or thereabouts, Michael Marsh wrote: > > > I don't think that's what Pigeon had in mind, useful though i

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread Michael Marsh
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:19:27 -0400, S.D.A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 07:54:13PM -0400 or thereabouts, Michael Marsh wrote: > > I don't think that's what Pigeon had in mind, useful though it is. > > I think what he(?) meant was something that extracts the navigation > > UR

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread S.D.A.
On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 07:54:13PM -0400 or thereabouts, Michael Marsh wrote: > On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:43:07 -0400, Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, the most obvious is flashblock. > > I don't think that's what Pigeon had in mind, useful though it is. > I think what he(?) meant was s

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-19 Thread Pigeon
On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 08:18:01PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 07:54:13PM -0400, Michael Marsh wrote: > ... > > > I think what he(?) (yes) :-) > > meant was something that extracts the navigation > > URLs within a flash animation so that the site is navigable. For > > exa

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-19 Thread Pigeon
On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 06:43:07PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 11:09:29PM +0100, Pigeon wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:58:59PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > > > > Well, there's a Mozilla extension that does that, anyway. > > > > What's it called? I was googling for such a

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-19 Thread Carl Fink
On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 07:54:13PM -0400, Michael Marsh wrote: ... > I think what he(?) meant was something that extracts the navigation > URLs within a flash animation so that the site is navigable. For > example, many sites have a flash-based homepage with no non-flash > links presented, so if

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-19 Thread Michael Marsh
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:43:07 -0400, Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, the most obvious is flashblock. I don't think that's what Pigeon had in mind, useful though it is. I think what he(?) meant was something that extracts the navigation URLs within a flash animation so that the site is

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-19 Thread Carl Fink
On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 11:09:29PM +0100, Pigeon wrote: > On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:58:59PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > > Well, there's a Mozilla extension that does that, anyway. > > What's it called? I was googling for such a thing a few days ago > without any luck, and I've looked through the "

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-19 Thread Pigeon
On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:58:59PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:47:00PM -0400, Travis Crump wrote: > > Pigeon wrote: > > > >It would be useful if there was a flash plugin that did nothing but > > >extract URLs and present them in clickable form, so you could still > > >navi

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-18 Thread Carl Fink
On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:47:00PM -0400, Travis Crump wrote: > Pigeon wrote: > >It would be useful if there was a flash plugin that did nothing but > >extract URLs and present them in clickable form, so you could still > >navigate web sites that have the above problem but are spared all the > >mu

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-18 Thread Travis Crump
Pigeon wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 07:41:32AM -0700, Zachary Rizer wrote: If you are using flash, I must warn you to only use it to make movies or games, NEVER for navigation, as it is not a highly accessible technology. Please, stay away from it for web design. Well said. It would be useful i

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-18 Thread Pigeon
On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 07:41:32AM -0700, Zachary Rizer wrote: > If you are using flash, I must warn > you to only use it to make movies or games, NEVER for > navigation, as it is not a highly accessible > technology. Please, stay away from it for web design. Well said. It would be useful if the

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-15 Thread Hasan
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Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-15 Thread FireBright, Inc.
Just to back up Zachary's most excellent point on accessibility, here is my favorite article on how to create "accessible" flash content: http://www.webaim.org/techniques/flash/ I think you'll find that Zachary is correct. Flash is for advertising, kiosk, and limited web use where accessibility

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-15 Thread Carl Fink
On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 07:41:32AM -0700, Zachary Rizer wrote: > You could also learn MING. There was also a recent > story about a replacement for MING; check slashdot, I > don't remember exactly, because I didn't pay much > attention to it. If you are using flash, I must warn > you to only us

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-15 Thread Zachary Rizer
--- Andrea Vettorello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:09:27 -0500, Kent West > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Miguel Griffa wrote: > > > > >Hi all > > >I was wandering how easy is to develop flash > on debian, are there > > >any tools? official or not... I'm quite new to >

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-15 Thread Andrea Vettorello
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:09:27 -0500, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Miguel Griffa wrote: > > >Hi all > >I was wandering how easy is to develop flash on debian, are there > >any tools? official or not... I'm quite new to flash world, and old on > >java and c world, but I never had contac

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-15 Thread Kent West
Miguel Griffa wrote: Hi all I was wandering how easy is to develop flash on debian, are there any tools? official or not... I'm quite new to flash world, and old on java and c world, but I never had contact with flash beyond .swf before. Thanks for any advice OpenOffice.org (Drawing / Present

Developing flash on debian

2004-09-15 Thread Miguel Griffa
Hi all I was wandering how easy is to develop flash on debian, are there any tools? official or not... I'm quite new to flash world, and old on java and c world, but I never had contact with flash beyond .swf before. Thanks for any advice -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a