Re: Debian on server

Alessandro Baggi writes: Il 21/01/20 18:30, Linux-Fan ha scritto: [...] Just one more (minor) point to add: Consider the hardware compatibility. Most server vendors explicitly support RHEL which makes it very likely that CentOS runs just as well. This might not be so important initially, but

Re: Debian on server

Il 21/01/20 18:30, Linux-Fan ha scritto: Andy Smith writes: Hi, On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 03:41:13PM +0100, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > So, I know this is a debian list and could be obtain biased opinion but > what are better point to use debian on a server instead of CentOS? Really I think y

Re: Debian on server

Andy Smith writes: Hi, On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 03:41:13PM +0100, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > So, I know this is a debian list and could be obtain biased opinion but > what are better point to use debian on a server instead of CentOS? Really I think you are best off using whichever one you have t

Re: Debian on server

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 15:41:13 +0100 Alessandro Baggi wrote: > Hi to all members of this list, > > I'm not new to linux and I'm searching a good stable distro for > server. Many said CentOS and other Debian but really I have not > enough experiences to choose one. > > So, I know this is a debian

Re: Debian on server

On 2020-01-21 14:41, Alessandro Baggi wrote: Hi to all members of this list, I'm not new to linux and I'm searching a good stable distro for server. Many said CentOS and other Debian but really I have not enough experiences to choose one. So, I know this is a debian list and could be obtain bia

Re: Debian on server

Hi, On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 03:41:13PM +0100, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > So, I know this is a debian list and could be obtain biased opinion but what > are better point to use debian on a server instead of CentOS? Really I think you are best off using whichever one you have the most experience wit

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Re: Debian on server

Il 21/01/20 16:18, Default User ha scritto: On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 10:03 Alexander V. Makartsev > wrote: On 21.01.2020 19:41, Alessandro Baggi wrote: Hi to all members of this list, I'm not new to linux and I'm searching a good stable distro for se

Re: Debian on server

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 10:03 Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: > On 21.01.2020 19:41, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > > Hi to all members of this list, > > I'm not new to linux and I'm searching a good stable distro for server. > Many said CentOS and other Debian but really I have not enough experiences > t

Re: Debian on server

On 21.01.2020 19:41, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > Hi to all members of this list, > > I'm not new to linux and I'm searching a good stable distro for > server. Many said CentOS and other Debian but really I have not enough > experiences to choose one. > > So, I know this is a debian list and could be

Debian on server

Hi to all members of this list, I'm not new to linux and I'm searching a good stable distro for server. Many said CentOS and other Debian but really I have not enough experiences to choose one. So, I know this is a debian list and could be obtain biased opinion but what are better point to u

Re: bad printing results (was: Why choose Debian on server)

On 1/4/19, Felix Miata wrote: > deloptes composed on 2019-01-04 22:32 (UTC+0100): > >> Gene Heskett wrote: > >>> My copy of FF only prints 1 page, which is the top 3" of the site's >>> front page, never getting down to any of the text past the headline. > >>> And it works on other sites. > >> Sam

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Wed 09 Jan 2019 at 20:43:19 (+), Brian wrote: > On Wed 09 Jan 2019 at 12:47:42 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 07 Jan 2019 at 23:51:36 (+), Brian wrote: > > > On Mon 07 Jan 2019 at 14:37:30 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > > On Mon 07 Jan 2019 at 18:21:07 (+), Brian wrote: > >

Re: Why choose Debian on server

m this "Why not choose a stable and community > piloted distro where user needs are first purpose?" > > I used Debian in the past on several server for a big company without > any problems but now are several years that I use centos on server and > workstation and today I

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sunday 06 January 2019 12:56:14 Brian wrote: > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 12:15:09 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > [...] > > > > > > screenshot filename.png --fullpage > > > > Humm: > > gene@coyote:~/linuxcnc/nc_files$ sudo apt-get install screenshot > > Reading package lists... Done > > Building d

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > > Thank you for your persistence. I was beginning to think your Firefox > was not from Debian. It appears the feature you describe has disappeared > from it in more recent versions: > > https://www.ghacks.net/2018/05/21/firefox-62-developer-toolbar-removal/ > It woul

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Wed 09 Jan 2019 at 12:47:42 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 07 Jan 2019 at 23:51:36 (+), Brian wrote: > > On Mon 07 Jan 2019 at 14:37:30 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > On Mon 07 Jan 2019 at 18:21:07 (+), Brian wrote: > > > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 18:13:58 -0600, David Wright wrote

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Mon 07 Jan 2019 at 23:51:36 (+), Brian wrote: > On Mon 07 Jan 2019 at 14:37:30 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 07 Jan 2019 at 18:21:07 (+), Brian wrote: > > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 18:13:58 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > BTW if this Screenshot method i

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 2019-01-05, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I think the question about is it on purpose on the part of stackexchange In researching this bug, I recently discovered bugzilla.mozilla.org itself triggers the bug. Just drumming up business, as it were, I guess. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Mon 07 Jan 2019 at 14:37:30 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 07 Jan 2019 at 18:21:07 (+), Brian wrote: > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 18:13:58 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > BTW if this Screenshot method is meant to yield a "printable" > > > document, I haven't yet figur

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Mon 07 Jan 2019 at 18:21:07 (+), Brian wrote: > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 18:13:58 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > [...] > > > BTW if this Screenshot method is meant to yield a "printable" > > document, I haven't yet figured out how to print it sensibly. > > $ lp -d PDF very-long-image.png gi

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 18:13:58 -0600, David Wright wrote: [...] > BTW if this Screenshot method is meant to yield a "printable" > document, I haven't yet figured out how to print it sensibly. > $ lp -d PDF very-long-image.png gives me the image on one page, > and looks, as it happens, like the

Re: Why choose Debian on server

Curt wrote: > Then you, if I'm remembering correctly, joined in to profess your own > distrust or dislike of stackexchange and your refusal to use Chromium to > obviate a very long-standing FF bug that you appear to claim or strongly > suggest only impacts the stackexchange web site. > I bag a p

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 2019-01-06, deloptes wrote: > Curt wrote: > >> I have no different opinion (I don't think). I know nothing about >> stackexchange. I am indifferent to stackexchange. However, if you want >> to print that full thread on stackexchange, like *Gene wanted to print >> that full thread*, and your hor

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 12:15:09 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 06 January 2019 11:28:55 David Wright wrote: > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:37:48 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Sunday 06 January 2019 10:17:16 Brian wrote: > > > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 14:42:08 +0100, deloptes wrote: >

Re: long page screenshots (was: Why choose Debian on server)

Curt composed on 2019-01-06 18:53 (UTC): > Brian wrote: >> What is your version of FF? (Help/About Firefox). > I found it. Tools --> Web Developer --> Toggle Tools (checked) > In the console > :screenshot foo --fullpage > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Web_Console/Helpers >

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 16:53:03 (+), Brian wrote: > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:28:55 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:37:48 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Sunday 06 January 2019 10:17:16 Brian wrote: > > > > Maybe he would like to use SHIFT+F2 with Firefox (I have Qu

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 18:53:55 +, Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 17:47:16 +, Curt wrote: > > > >> On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Very awkward, I would say. Which is why it wasn't recommended. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Oops. > >> >>

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 17:47:16 +, Curt wrote: > >> On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Very awkward, I would say. Which is why it wasn't recommended. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Oops. >> >> >> >> Still, Tools --> Web Devloper --> (but there ain't no Developer T

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 17:47:16 +, Curt wrote: > >> On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Very awkward, I would say. Which is why it wasn't recommended. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Oops. >> >> >> >> Still, Tools --> Web Devloper --> (but there ain't no Developer T

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 17:47:16 +, Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > >> > > >> > Very awkward, I would say. Which is why it wasn't recommended. > >> > > >> > >> Oops. > >> > >> Still, Tools --> Web Devloper --> (but there ain't no Developer Toolbar > >> item). > > > > There is her

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 12:15:09 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] > > > > screenshot filename.png --fullpage > Humm: > gene@coyote:~/linuxcnc/nc_files$ sudo apt-get install screenshot > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > E: Unable to loc

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: >> > >> > Very awkward, I would say. Which is why it wasn't recommended. >> > >> >> Oops. >> >> Still, Tools --> Web Devloper --> (but there ain't no Developer Toolbar >> item). > > There is here (60.4.0esr). Inbetween "Storage Inspector" and "webIDE". > In any case,

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 17:33:56 +, Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 17:05:19 +, Curt wrote: > > > >> On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I was under the impression that taking screenshots was under the > >> >> control of the window manager, so t

Re: Why choose Debian on server

Curt wrote: > I have no different opinion (I don't think). I know nothing about > stackexchange. I am indifferent to stackexchange. However, if you want > to print that full thread on stackexchange, like *Gene wanted to print > that full thread*, and your horse is so high you won't open Chromium t

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 17:05:19 +, Curt wrote: > >> On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: >> >> >> >> I was under the impression that taking screenshots was under the >> >> control of the window manager, so the key combinations might be quite >> >> different for other user

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 17:05:19 +, Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > >> > >> I was under the impression that taking screenshots was under the > >> control of the window manager, so the key combinations might be quite > >> different for other users. > > > > No. FF uses SHIFT+F2. > >

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sunday 06 January 2019 11:28:55 David Wright wrote: > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:37:48 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 06 January 2019 10:17:16 Brian wrote: > > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 14:42:08 +0100, deloptes wrote: > > > > Curt wrote: > > > > > I suppose you could argue that the perc

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: >> >> I was under the impression that taking screenshots was under the >> control of the window manager, so the key combinations might be quite >> different for other users. > > No. FF uses SHIFT+F2. > It doesn't seem to here (on latest stable Quantum). Left-click th

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:28:55 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:37:48 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 06 January 2019 10:17:16 Brian wrote: > > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 14:42:08 +0100, deloptes wrote: [...] > > > Strictly speaking, the problem does not arise due a

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:37:48 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 06 January 2019 10:17:16 Brian wrote: > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 14:42:08 +0100, deloptes wrote: > > > Curt wrote: > > > > I suppose you could argue that the percentage of Firefox users too > > > > lazy or bewildered to try anot

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:37:48 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 06 January 2019 10:17:16 Brian wrote: [...] > > Strictly speaking, the problem does not arise due a problem in the > > printing system. Firefox produces a PDF before dispatching it for > > printing and that PDF is not a true r

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sunday 06 January 2019 10:17:16 Brian wrote: > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 14:42:08 +0100, deloptes wrote: > > Curt wrote: > > > I suppose you could argue that the percentage of Firefox users too > > > lazy or bewildered to try another browser is good enough for > > > stackexchange, because, goddammi

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > > Whether the issue is tackled by Firefox or at the stackexchange end > is immaterial; this will take time. Meanwhile, there is an elderly > user who had hoped to read and absorb the material today while eating > his free lunch. > My moral and informatical standards

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sunday 06 January 2019 08:42:08 deloptes wrote: > Curt wrote: > > I suppose you could argue that the percentage of Firefox users too > > lazy or bewildered to try another browser is good enough for > > stackexchange, because, goddammit, you take what you can get. > > Please be nice - I am not l

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 2019-01-06, deloptes wrote: > Curt wrote: > >> I suppose you could argue that the percentage of Firefox users too lazy >> or bewildered to try another browser is good enough for stackexchange, >> because, goddammit, you take what you can get. > > Please be nice - I am not lazy - I have Chromium

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 14:42:08 +0100, deloptes wrote: > Curt wrote: > > > I suppose you could argue that the percentage of Firefox users too lazy > > or bewildered to try another browser is good enough for stackexchange, > > because, goddammit, you take what you can get. > > Please be nice - I a

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sunday 06 January 2019 07:40:44 Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-06, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> > > I can confirm the 1 page Firefox printing snafu for the > >> > > stackexchange thread on the most recent stable Quantum. I can > >> > > also confirm that it is a *very* longstanding bug and that > >> > >

Re: Why choose Debian on server

Curt wrote: > I suppose you could argue that the percentage of Firefox users too lazy > or bewildered to try another browser is good enough for stackexchange, > because, goddammit, you take what you can get. Please be nice - I am not lazy - I have Chromium, but I do not want to use it. I like FF

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 2019-01-06, Gene Heskett wrote: >> > > >> > > I can confirm the 1 page Firefox printing snafu for the >> > > stackexchange thread on the most recent stable Quantum. I can also >> > > confirm that it is a *very* longstanding bug and that snafu is >> > > indeed the proper acronymic term. >> > > >

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Saturday 05 January 2019 14:12:44 Brian wrote: > On Sat 05 Jan 2019 at 13:58:57 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 05 January 2019 09:36:19 Curt wrote: > > > On 2019-01-05, mick crane wrote: > > > > On 2019-01-04 21:11, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > f course it is printable. Whatever you

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Sat 05 Jan 2019 at 13:58:57 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 05 January 2019 09:36:19 Curt wrote: > > > On 2019-01-05, mick crane wrote: > > > On 2019-01-04 21:11, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > f course it is printable. Whatever you are doing is unknown. > > > > > >> My copy of FF only pr

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Saturday 05 January 2019 09:36:19 Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-05, mick crane wrote: > > On 2019-01-04 21:11, Gene Heskett wrote: > > f course it is printable. Whatever you are doing is unknown. > > > >> My copy of FF only prints 1 page, which is the top 3" of the > >> site's front page, never ge

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 2019-01-05, mick crane wrote: > On 2019-01-04 21:11, Gene Heskett wrote: > f course it is printable. Whatever you are doing is unknown. >> >> My copy of FF only prints 1 page, which is the top 3" of the site's >> front page, never getting down to any of the text past the headline. >> >> And

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 2019-01-05, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 05 January 2019 04:14:41 Curt wrote: > >> On 2019-01-04, Gene Heskett wrote: >> > My copy of FF only prints 1 page, which is the top 3" of the site's >> > front page, never getting down to any of the text past the headline. >> >> I saved the threa

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 2019-01-04 21:11, Gene Heskett wrote: f course it is printable. Whatever you are doing is unknown. My copy of FF only prints 1 page, which is the top 3" of the site's front page, never getting down to any of the text past the headline. And it works on other sites. Cheers, Gene Heskett wh

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Saturday 05 January 2019 04:14:41 Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-04, Gene Heskett wrote: > > My copy of FF only prints 1 page, which is the top 3" of the site's > > front page, never getting down to any of the text past the headline. > > I saved the thread to a 7 page pdf file I can send you if you

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 2019-01-04, Gene Heskett wrote: > > My copy of FF only prints 1 page, which is the top 3" of the site's > front page, never getting down to any of the text past the headline. I saved the thread to a 7 page pdf file I can send you if you like (156K). > And it works on other sites. > > Cheers

Re: bad printing results (was: Why choose Debian on server)

deloptes composed on 2019-01-04 22:32 (UTC+0100): > Gene Heskett wrote: >> My copy of FF only prints 1 page, which is the top  3" of the site's >> front page, never getting down to any of the text past the headline. >> And it works on other sites. > Same here SeaMonkey and Firefox both do this

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Friday 04 January 2019 16:27:45 Doug wrote: > On 01/04/2019 03:52 PM, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 15:27:11 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > >> On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > >>> Gene Heskett wrote: > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Friday 04 January 2019 16:27:44 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > And becoming a bigger problem by each kernel release.  Just the > > bigger stack image a context switch involves takes the 64 bit stuff > > into the very close to unusable state. Even the hit of enabling pae > > on the 32

Re: Why choose Debian on server

Gene Heskett wrote: > Disk /dev/mmcblk0p1: 41 MiB, 42991616 bytes, 83968 sectors > Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > Disklabel type: dos > Disk identifier: 0x > > No partition

Re: Why choose Debian on server

Gene Heskett wrote: > My copy of FF only prints 1 page, which is the top  3" of the site's > front page, never getting down to any of the text past the headline. > > And it works on other sites. Same here

Re: Why choose Debian on server

Gene Heskett wrote: > And becoming a bigger problem by each kernel release.  Just the bigger > stack image a context switch involves takes the 64 bit stuff into the > very close to unusable state. Even the hit of enabling pae on the 32 bit > stuff is a quite noticeable hit on the rt performance. A

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 01/04/2019 03:52 PM, David Wright wrote: On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 15:27:11 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for the life of me, I can't find an installer that wil

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Friday 04 January 2019 15:57:24 Andy Smith wrote: > Hi Gene, > > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 03:27:11PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > > > Fore example see "The Boot" here > > > https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/39959/raspbian-boo >

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Friday 04 January 2019 15:38:32 Brian wrote: > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 15:27:11 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But > > > > for the life of me, I can't fi

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Friday 04 January 2019 14:31:10 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > Can I trade the pickity nfs link in on an sshfs version? I use that > > here as its quite bulletproof. The login without the checksum files > > might be a hassle though. I'll certainly look that link over, thank > > you.

Re: Why choose Debian on server

Hi Gene, On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 03:27:11PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > > Fore example see "The Boot" here > > https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/39959/raspbian-boot-pr > >ocess-and-the-partition-table > > One HUGE problem with th

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 15:27:11 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for > > > the life of me, I can't find an installer that will actually do the > > > pi, its b

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 15:27:11 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for > > > the life of me, I can't find an installer that will actually do the > > > pi, its

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for > > the life of me, I can't find an installer that will actually do the > > pi, its boot is a separate mess. I'm sure it can be done as I also > > have a

Re: Why choose Debian on server

Alessandro Vesely wrote: > Given the current cooperation between Devuan and Debian maintainers on > init-diversity, I'd say that issue is fully resolved, and I'm reassured > that a distribution like the one I like is going to be available for the > foreseeable future. > > Would you say that messy

Re: Why choose Debian on server

Gene Heskett wrote: > Can I trade the pickity nfs link in on an sshfs version? I use that here > as its quite bulletproof. The login without the checksum files might be > a hassle though. I'll certainly look that link over, thank you. I don't know about sshfs - not heard that you can mount root o

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for > > the life of me, I can't find an installer that will actually do the > > pi, its boot is a separate mess. I'm sure it can be done as I also > > have a

Re: Why choose Debian on server

Gene Heskett wrote: > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for the > life of me, I can't find an installer that will actually do the pi, its > boot is a separate mess. I'm sure it can be done as I also have a pair > of rock64's running armbian, and I have seen apt install

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Friday 04 January 2019 09:57:07 Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-04, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> Dear Ivan, no one said something about systemd, because the topic > >> was discussed and closed on the list. > >> Not sure about Gene, but I use good old sysv init and for Gods > >> sake, no one thinks of run

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Thu 03/Jan/2019 18:53:14 +0100 Miles Fidelman wrote: > [...] > And then there was all the bullshit about how systemd was handled - > including resignations of core developers over it. Given the current cooperation between Devuan and Debian maintainers on init-diversity, I'd say that issue is f

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On 2019-01-04, Gene Heskett wrote: >> >> Dear Ivan, no one said something about systemd, because the topic was >> discussed and closed on the list. >> Not sure about Gene, but I use good old sysv init and for Gods sake, >> no one thinks of running systemd on a firewall (I hope) >> > Just one of th

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Friday 04 January 2019 03:34:31 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > Just one of the reasons I have 5 boxes here running wheezy yet, one > > running jessie. But its an armhf, an r-pi 3b TBE, and it is also > > behind dd-wrt.  Perhaps I should watch the dd-wrt logs to see if > > Ivan has co

Re: Why choose Debian on server

Gene Heskett wrote: > Just one of the reasons I have 5 boxes here running wheezy yet, one > running jessie. But its an armhf, an r-pi 3b TBE, and it is also behind > dd-wrt.  Perhaps I should watch the dd-wrt logs to see if Ivan has come > calling but no one answered the doorbell? :) I bought 200

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Thursday 03 January 2019 16:12:00 deloptes wrote: > On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 10:02 PM Ivan Ivanov wrote: > > "Debian just plain works" - that's until someone discovers a yet > > another one 0-day SystemD vuln and your server is Pwned. > > I am telling it to you as a true Russian hacker, mwahaha

Re: Why choose Debian on server

ds > are first purpose?" > > I used Debian in the past on several server for a big company without any > problems but now are several years that I use centos on server and > workstation and today I lost my debian knowledge about stability on server > usage. > > Wh

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 10:42 PM Ivan Ivanov wrote: > Well, the topic title is "Why choose Debian on server" and I thought > of it as a perfect opportunity to compare Debian with another very > similar OS, Devuan. + To be honest, it is not the removal of a package > that

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 10:02 PM Ivan Ivanov wrote: > "Debian just plain works" - that's until someone discovers a yet > another one 0-day SystemD vuln and your server is Pwned. > I am telling it to you as a true Russian hacker, mwahahahaha! > Cheers, > Ivan Ivanov, > hacking SystemD while you sle

Re: Why choose Debian on server

Gene Heskett wrote: > but > don't burden us users who already have security, with your paranoia. Its > being very inconvenient to have your paranoia forced on us the users. > +1 > Other than that beef, debian just plain works, what more could we need? +1

Re: Why choose Debian on server

On Thursday 03 January 2019 10:24:41 steef wrote: > having allmost the same history: i agree completely roberto > > steef > > On 03-01-19 16:12, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 11:51:25AM +0100, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > >> Why you choose debi

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On 1/3/19 5:55 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 02:56:41PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: some of the recent politics, has made me far less comfortable that Debian will remain a stable platform - and I'm seriously considering migrating to either Gentoo or a BSD platform. LO

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steef wrote: > having allmost the same history: i agree completely roberto +1

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having allmost the same history: i agree completely roberto steef On 03-01-19 16:12, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 11:51:25AM +0100, Alessandro Baggi wrote: Why you choose debian on server? Where for you it is better than centos and other server distro? I actually

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On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 11:51:25AM +0100, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > > Why you choose debian on server? Where for you it is better than centos and > other server distro? > I actually started with Debian on my laptop. As a college student I was assigned a project that had to run o

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Hi. On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 02:56:41PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > some of the recent politics, has made me far less comfortable that Debian > will remain a stable platform - and I'm seriously considering migrating to > either Gentoo or a BSD platform. LOL, you've made my day, sir. I

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Il 02/01/19 20:56, Miles Fidelman ha scritto: Today, as I face some upgrade issues of my own, I'm really not so sure. All of the debacle around systemd, and some of the recent politics, has made me far less comfortable that Debian will remain a stable platform - and I'm seriously considering mi

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a big company without any problems but now are several years that I use centos on server and workstation and today I lost my debian knowledge about stability on server usage. Why you choose debian on server? Where for you it is better than centos and other server distro? What is your environ

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t now are several years that I use centos on server and workstation and today I lost my debian knowledge about stability on server usage. Why you choose debian on server? Where for you it is better than centos and other server distro? Thanks in advance. Alessandro. Because Debian doesn't c

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On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 5:51 AM Alessandro Baggi wrote: > > Why you choose debian on server? Where for you it is better than centos > and other server distro? Please see this faq https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-basic_defs.en.html#s-difference 1.5 What is the differenc

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On 1/2/19 5:16 PM, deloptes wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: I'm not sure how well GIMP would run on across a network, particularly if one wants to use a pen.  It's really designed to run on a machine with a head. so you are saying you can not ssh -X to the server and run your gimp if that is wha

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Joe wrote: > I didn't say there would be problems, just that there would not > normally be a need. The overlap between my workstation's software and > that of my server is fairly small, largely because the server doesn't > have a GUI, and most of my workstation software is graphical. > > That's a

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Miles Fidelman wrote: > I'm not sure how well GIMP would run on across a network, particularly > if one wants to use a pen.  It's really designed to run on a machine > with a head. so you are saying you can not ssh -X to the server and run your gimp if that is what you want? I bet you can and I b

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On Wed, 02 Jan 2019 19:41:41 +0100 deloptes wrote: > Joe wrote: > > > Indeed. I'm currently working on getting Debian onto a small Acer > > laptop, which is not trivial. I've run it on a netbook for several > > years. But laptops and servers are solutions to different problems, > > and don't gen

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