On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 02:27:44PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-01-09 at 08:46 -0500, Joshua Lee wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 05:02:32AM -0800, Wendell Cochran wrote:
> > > With 15-inch screens, & dial-up connectivity.
> >
> > The dial-up consideration would help. I have to use t
On Sun, 2005-01-09 at 08:46 -0500, Joshua Lee wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 05:02:32AM -0800, Wendell Cochran wrote:
> > > I think we would end up with much better software if all
> > > developers were forced to use old, slow computers :) . . .
> >
> > With 15-inch screens, & dial-up connectivi
> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 07:31:10PM +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
>> I got hold of 128MB RAM from a friend. Now there is a total of
>> 128+16=144MB RAM. Don't you think that is enough for OO.org and WM when
>> he's prepared for a slow machine?
>
> FWIW I installed OO.org on my pentium MMX 200M
On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 05:02:32AM -0800, Wendell Cochran wrote:
> > I think we would end up with much better software if all
> > developers were forced to use old, slow computers :) . . .
>
> With 15-inch screens, & dial-up connectivity.
The dial-up consideration would help. I have to use the Wo
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 03:47:08 +1100
From: Sam Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[snip]
> I think we would end up with much better software if all
> developers were forced to use old, slow computers :) . . .
With 15-inch screens, & dial-up connectivity.
(Other restrictions may apply.)
Wendell Cochra
On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 17:30 -0500, William Ballard wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 04:12:14PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > 2) Macintosh excepted, but it had it's own problems: the geniuses
> > who wrote it had to be brilliant to squeeze all that greatness into
> > a 64KB ROM, and the hacks they
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 04:12:14PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 2) Macintosh excepted, but it had it's own problems: the geniuses
> who wrote it had to be brilliant to squeeze all that greatness into
> a 64KB ROM, and the hacks they had to do mad it difficult to make
> multi-finder, do protected mu
On Sun, 2005-01-09 at 03:47 +1100, Sam Watkins wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 07:31:10PM +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
[snip]
> I think we would end up with much better software if all developers were
> forced to use old, slow computers :) I remember how good and fast the
> software was on m
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 07:31:10PM +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> I got hold of 128MB RAM from a friend. Now there is a total of
> 128+16=144MB RAM. Don't you think that is enough for OO.org and WM when
> he's prepared for a slow machine?
FWIW I installed OO.org on my pentium MMX 200MHz with
CW Harris wrote:
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:53:11PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
Paul Johnson wrote:
On Thursday 06 January 2005 01:44 pm, John Schmidt wrote:
Old pcs often can't boot from a CD even if they have one. You might
be able to flash the BIOS to upgrade it, but that assumes t
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:53:11PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> >On Thursday 06 January 2005 01:44 pm, John Schmidt wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Old pcs often can't boot from a CD even if they have one. You might
> >>be able to flash the BIOS to upgrade it, but that assumes there
Paul Johnson wrote:
On Thursday 06 January 2005 01:44 pm, John Schmidt wrote:
Old pcs often can't boot from a CD even if they have one. You might
be able to flash the BIOS to upgrade it, but that assumes there is an
update out there (highly unlikely).
If it's too old to boot from a CD, woul
Paul Johnson wrote:
On Thursday 06 January 2005 01:44 pm, John Schmidt wrote:
Old pcs often can't boot from a CD even if they have one. You might
be able to flash the BIOS to upgrade it, but that assumes there is an
update out there (highly unlikely).
If it's too old to boot from a CD,
On Thursday 06 January 2005 01:44 pm, John Schmidt wrote:
> Old pcs often can't boot from a CD even if they have one. You might
> be able to flash the BIOS to upgrade it, but that assumes there is an
> update out there (highly unlikely).
If it's too old to boot from a CD, wouldn't it also pr
On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 17:13 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Jan 06 17:04 -0600]:
> > Nate Bargmann wrote:
[snip]
>
> Another cool thing is that it's also cross-platform so I have it
> available on a FreeDOS partition.
Speaking of FreeDOS, does anyone have WordP
* Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Jan 06 17:04 -0600]:
> Nate Bargmann wrote:
>
> >I may have not have jumped the MS ship seven years ago had I not found
> >FTE.
> >
> >
> Wow! I was not aware of this editor. I do like it (for familiarity
> reasons - don't know about power yet).
>
> Thanks
Nate Bargmann wrote:
I may have not have jumped the MS ship seven years ago had I not found
FTE.
Wow! I was not aware of this editor. I do like it (for familiarity
reasons - don't know about power yet).
Thanks for mentioning it.
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* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Jan 06 16:21 -0600]:
> If *text* editing is really the most important thing, then why not
> stay in console mode? vim or joe should fit the bill.
Ugggh! The surest way to send someone running back to Windows is dump
vi(m) on them. Emacs isn't much better
> Is it actually installed, or do you just have the DIMM?
>
Nothing installed yet!
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On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 14:44 -0700, John Schmidt wrote:
> On Thursday 06 January 2005 02:37 pm, David Jardine wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:42:58PM +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
[snip]
> Old pcs often can't boot from a CD even if they have one. You might be able
> to flash the BIOS to
> Can't you change the boot order in the BIOS setup to look for
> cdrom first? Debian install CDs are bootable, surely?
>
> David
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On Thursday 06 January 2005 02:37 pm, David Jardine wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:42:58PM +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > > I would be surprised if that old machine could *boot a cdrom*. Have
> > >
> > > you tried *that*?
> > >
> > > ;-0
> >
> > It can't boot from cdrom, it has one (4X)
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:42:58PM +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
>
> > I would be surprised if that old machine could *boot a cdrom*. Have
> >
> > you tried *that*?
> >
> > ;-0
> It can't boot from cdrom, it has one (4X) but the system doesn't know of
> it untill an OS is loaded (i.e. win98se)
On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 19:31 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
[snip]
> I got hold of 128MB RAM from a friend. Now there is a total of
> 128+16=144MB RAM. Don't you think that is enough for OO.org and WM when
> he's prepared for a slow machine?
Is it actually installed, or do you just have the DIMM
On Thursday 06 January 2005 01:42 pm, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > I would be surprised if that old machine could *boot a cdrom*. Have
> >
> > you tried *that*?
> >
> > ;-0
>
> It can't boot from cdrom, it has one (4X) but the system doesn't know of
> it untill an OS is loaded (i.e. win98se). I'm
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:42:58PM +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> It can't boot from cdrom, it has one (4X) but the system doesn't know of
> it untill an OS is loaded (i.e. win98se). I'm forced to install linux with
> floppy disks.
Don't use this piece of crap as a desktop machine.
Use it as
> I would be surprised if that old machine could *boot a cdrom*. Have
>
> you tried *that*?
>
> ;-0
It can't boot from cdrom, it has one (4X) but the system doesn't know of
it untill an OS is loaded (i.e. win98se). I'm forced to install linux with
floppy disks.
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Alvin Smith wrote:
On Thursday 06 January 2005 01:31 pm, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
On your machine the primary holdup to a system such as this would be
memory--the likes of which cost about a $1/stick at our local
"re-compute" store.
I got hold of 128MB RAM from a friend. Now there is a
On Thursday 06 January 2005 01:31 pm, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > On your machine the primary holdup to a system such as this would be
> > memory--the likes of which cost about a $1/stick at our local
> > "re-compute" store.
>
> I got hold of 128MB RAM from a friend. Now there is a total of
> 12
> Attaining your goal will be tied entirely to who your father is when it
> comes to assessing the system. Is he interested in what you propose,
> or is this a project of your own? If he is _interested_ then wm's
> which deviate more from a Windows perspective will not be as much of an
> issue, e
On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 11:07 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 08:43 am, Alvin Smith wrote:
[snip]
> Luckely the man who are to be convinced care more about the text editing
> tools than all other details. Hopefully only this slow PC with a decent
> texteditor will c
> If *text* editing is really the most important thing, then why not
> stay in console mode? vim or joe should fit the bill.
The texteditor he needs has to be able to replace every function of MS
Office Word, wich means reading .doc-files, setting up tables, as well as
having a spellcheck-option.
On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 11:07 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 08:43 am, Alvin Smith wrote:
> >
> >> No. You need a minimum of a Pentium 233 with 64 MB RAM to have much
> >> success running any GUI + Openoffice, even xfce.
> >
> > And realistically on the user-side
On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 11:52 +, Simon Huggins wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 06:47:55PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 08:43 am, Alvin Smith wrote:
> > > No. You need a minimum of a Pentium 233 with 64 MB RAM to have much
> > > success running any GUI + Openoffi
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 03:36:44PM +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 14:54 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> >> I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
> >> and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with such a
> >> slow
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 06:47:55PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 January 2005 08:43 am, Alvin Smith wrote:
> > No. You need a minimum of a Pentium 233 with 64 MB RAM to have much
> > success running any GUI + Openoffice, even xfce.
> And realistically on the user-side, you're l
> On Wednesday 05 January 2005 08:43 am, Alvin Smith wrote:
>
>> No. You need a minimum of a Pentium 233 with 64 MB RAM to have much
>> success running any GUI + Openoffice, even xfce.
>
> And realistically on the user-side, you're looking more at getting a
> machine that will run KDE with decent
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 08:43 am, Alvin Smith wrote:
> No. You need a minimum of a Pentium 233 with 64 MB RAM to have much
> success running any GUI + Openoffice, even xfce.
And realistically on the user-side, you're looking more at getting a
machine that will run KDE with decent perf
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 06:36 am, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> With this box I am trying to convince my father that linux is an
> excellent replacement for windows98se for writing textdocuments and
> maybe some scientific documents.
Just not going to happen with that machine. Spending a
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 05:54 am, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB
> RAM and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with
> such a slow machine running debian (or any other linux dist)?
It'll happen. But be
Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 06:44 -0800, James Vahn wrote:
>> I held the top slot in the BogoMIPS-HOWTO for slowest system for many years-
>> a 386SX/16 w/8 megs of RAM. Used a pair of them (and Hercules MDA) to get
>> Netscape on the internet (orange hi-res screen). One ran X, the o
* Vegard Lundby Rekaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Jan 05 16:50 -0600]:
> For the window-manager I had xfce in
> mind, which is as I have understood, the easiest to lern of the small
> wm's.
Disclaimer, I've barely used XFCE and then only from a Morphix CD. My
first impression was that XFCE would be
* Vegard Lundby Rekaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Jan 05 16:49 -0600]:
> I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
> and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with such a
> slow machine running debian (or any other linux dist)?
I recently upgraded my
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 12:16 -0500, donald szatkowski wrote:
> I am running Debian v 2.4.27-1-386/gcc 3.3.4 and Debian 1:3.3.4-9
> (testing) on an OLD Gateway 100 mhz with 128 mb ram. Command line
> operation is great, gui is less than desireable, in fact unusable due to
> time lags. This is stil
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 16:51 +, Sue Spence wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 15:53 +, Sue Spence wrote:
> >
> >>Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> >>
> On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 14:54 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >>hence an easier sell. Supporting
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 13:17 -0300, Norberto Altalef wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 14:54 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
[snip]
>
> 16 MB is not enough for Open Office . Forget your idea, your father is
> going to believe that Win98 is better than linux :)
> Some time ago, I was testing se
> 16 MB is not enough for Open Office . Forget your idea, your father is
> going to believe that Win98 is better than linux :)
> Some time ago, I was testing several slow machines in order to replace
> some Windows 98 boxes.
> Running Win98, Office97 and IE 5 with 16 MB RAM the machine is very ver
Forget my prior, for you and the command line - Okay
For you father, and gui - Forget it, too slow.
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I am running Debian v 2.4.27-1-386/gcc 3.3.4 and Debian 1:3.3.4-9
(testing) on an OLD Gateway 100 mhz with 128 mb ram. Command line
operation is great, gui is less than desireable, in fact unusable due to
time lags. This is still a very usable box! Go for it!
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Ron Johnson wrote:
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 15:53 +, Sue Spence wrote:
Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 14:54 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
[snip]
hence an easier sell. Supporting really old kit is IMO a royal
time-wasting pain at the best of times. I know some people enjoy i
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 09:36 am, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 14:54 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> >> I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
> >> and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with such a
> >> slow ma
>> > On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 14:54 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
>> >> I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB
>> RAM
>> >> and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with
>> such a
>> >> slow machine running debian (or any other linux dist)?
>> >
>>
Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 14:54 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with such a
slow machine running debian (or any other linux dist)?
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 15:53 +, Sue Spence wrote:
> Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> >>On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 14:54 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
[snip]
> hence an easier sell. Supporting really old kit is IMO a royal
> time-wasting pain at the best of times. I know some people enjoy it, but
>
Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 14:54 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with such a
slow machine running debian (or any other linux dist)?
Depends on
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 09:51 -0500, Rob Bochan wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 January 2005 08:54 am, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
> > and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with such a
> > slow machine running
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 06:44 -0800, James Vahn wrote:
> Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
> > and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with such a
> > slow machine running debian (or any other linux dist)?
>
>
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 15:36 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 14:54 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> >> I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
> >> and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with such a
> >> slow machin
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 03:36:44PM +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 14:54 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> >> I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
> >> and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with such a
> >> slow
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 08:54 am, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
> and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with such a
> slow machine running debian (or any other linux dist)?
I have an old Tandy 486-SX
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 03:36:44PM +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 14:54 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> >> I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
> >> and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with such a
> >> slow
Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
> and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with such a
> slow machine running debian (or any other linux dist)?
I held the top slot in the BogoMIPS-HOWTO for slowest system for
At Wednesday, 5 January 2005, you wrote:
>> On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 14:54 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
>>> I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with
16MB RAM
>>> and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience
with such a
>>> slow machine running debian (or a
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 08:06:07 CST, Jacob S writes:
>> I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB
>> RAM and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with
>> such a slow machine running debian (or any other linux dist)?
16 MB RAM is ok, provided you don't wa
> On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 14:54 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
>> I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
>> and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with such a
>> slow machine running debian (or any other linux dist)?
>
> Depends on what softwa
At Wednesday, 5 January 2005, "Vegard Lundby Rekaa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
matnat.uio.no> wrote:
>I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
>and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with
such a
>slow machine running debian (or any other linux dist)?
>
Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with such a
slow machine running debian (or any other linux dist)?
We ran our mail server on a Pentium 133 for a couple of years. We
pr
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 14:54 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
> and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with such a
> slow machine running debian (or any other linux dist)?
Depends on what software you d
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:54:43 +0100 (CET)
"Vegard Lundby Rekaa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB
> RAM and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with
> such a slow machine running debian (or any other linux dist)?
I'
I need some advice. Is debian fit for a Pentium 100MHz PC with 16MB RAM
and approx 4Gb harddisk? Are there anyone who has experience with such a
slow machine running debian (or any other linux dist)?
Regards Vegard
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