Re: nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-02-07 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Jan 28, 2008 5:05 PM, Geosand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jimmy Wu wrote: > > Well, an update: I just ran the nvidia script today (169.09) and it > > worked. I told it to not look for a precompiled interface on > > nvidia.com, so it did some compiling on its own, I think, but anyways, > > af

Re: compiz + xfce4 on stable (etch) [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-31 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Jan 30, 2008 5:07 PM, Jimmy Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I sort of have this working, there's a few more things I have to take care of. > > First, how do I add an entry in gdm to run compiz instead of xfwm4? > I tried to use the method of putting a .desktop file in > /usr/share/xsessions, po

Re: compiz + xfce4 on stable (etch) [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-31 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Jan 30, 2008 5:07 PM, Jimmy Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Secondly, is there some sort of compiz settings gui in debian etch? I > couldn't find one, and the only thing I have available is > gconf-editor, which is usable but difficult. For example, I wanted to > turn off the wobbly plugin but

Re: compiz + xfce4 on stable (etch) [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-30 Thread Arthur Barlow
Jimmy Wu wrote: I sort of have this working, there's a few more things I have to take care of. First, how do I add an entry in gdm to run compiz instead of xfwm4? I tried to use the method of putting a .desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions, pointing to a script in which I run nvidia-settings -l

compiz + xfce4 on stable (etch) [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-30 Thread Jimmy Wu
I sort of have this working, there's a few more things I have to take care of. First, how do I add an entry in gdm to run compiz instead of xfwm4? I tried to use the method of putting a .desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions, pointing to a script in which I run nvidia-settings -l & compiz --replac

Re: nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-28 Thread Geosand
Jimmy Wu wrote: On Jan 25, 2008 9:26 PM, Jimmy Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think I will go with the nvidia installer. I'll post back with results of how that goes. Well, an update: I just ran the nvidia script today (169.09) and it worked. I told it to not look for a precompiled

Re: nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-28 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Jan 25, 2008 9:26 PM, Jimmy Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think I will go with the nvidia installer. I'll post back with > results of how that goes. Well, an update: I just ran the nvidia script today (169.09) and it worked. I told it to not look for a precompiled interface on nvidia.com,

Re: nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-26 Thread David Baron
On Friday 25 January 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Actually, nv was what the installer picked by default and that didn't > work for me (I was surprised by that, but maybe stable uses an older > version of nv or something).  Anyways, vesa worked, and it still does > now, so that's what I'm using.

Re: nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/25/08 20:26, Jimmy Wu wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 8:54 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] >> You could get the unstable nvidia-glx source package and build it >> using Stable tools. Might not work, though, because the latest >> nvid

Re: nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-25 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Jan 24, 2008 8:54 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > You could get the unstable nvidia-glx source package and build it > using Stable tools. Might not work, though, because the latest > nvidia drivers are built with modern tool versions. > > I'd suggest moving up to Lenny/testin

Re: nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-24 Thread David
Jimmy Wu wrote: I followed the instructions to install the nvidia drivers the Debian way from this site: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers Just installed AMD64 Etch on a dual core 64, with a Leadtek Quadro FX540 on a work station. Getting similar reactions with the basic nv driver

Re: nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-24 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/24/08 18:58, Jimmy Wu wrote: [snip] > > Now, on to a solution. The unstable nvidia-glx does support my card, > but I want to run the stable distribution. I know there are ways to > configure apt/aptitude/sources.lst to have a mixed system, but

Re: nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-24 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Jan 24, 2008 5:36 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What does /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so look like? I haven't had a chance to check that yet (I put my laptop away and it's charging now). However I think I've figured out the problem (see below...) On Jan 24, 2008 6:2

Re: nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-24 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Thu January 24 2008, Jimmy Wu wrote: > Etch uses xorg. > Actually, nv was what the installer picked by default and that didn't > work for me (I was surprised by that, but maybe stable uses an older > version of nv or something).  Anyways, vesa worked, and it still does > now, so that's what I'm

Re: nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-24 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/24/08 16:18, Jimmy Wu wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 5:06 PM, Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I tried that, and got the black unresponsive screen again. I guess >>> that rules out gdm? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >> Yes it does. Now in single

Re: nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-24 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Jan 24, 2008 5:06 PM, Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tried that, and got the black unresponsive screen again. I guess > > that rules out gdm? > > > > Thanks, > > > Yes it does. Now in single user mode run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg > (or xfree-x86?? I use unstable and I

Re: nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-24 Thread Damon L. Chesser
Jimmy Wu wrote: On Jan 24, 2008 4:46 PM, Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jimmy, I have not yet looked over your files, but try to boot into single user mode (grub screen, normaly the 2nd line) and as root, type "startx" and see if it starts. This will rule in or out gdm.

Re: nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-24 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Jan 24, 2008 4:46 PM, Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jimmy, > > I have not yet looked over your files, but try to boot into single user > mode (grub screen, normaly the 2nd line) and as root, type "startx" and > see if it starts. This will rule in or out gdm. I tried that, and g

Re: nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-24 Thread Damon L. Chesser
Jimmy Wu wrote: I followed the instructions to install the nvidia drivers the Debian way from this site: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers Every command worked fine, with no error messages. However, when it came time to reboot, I get a black screen shortly after the message that says

nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-24 Thread Jimmy Wu
I followed the instructions to install the nvidia drivers the Debian way from this site: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers Every command worked fine, with no error messages. However, when it came time to reboot, I get a black screen shortly after the message that says gdm is starting.

Re: broken Xorg [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-22 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Jan 22, 2008 12:02 PM, Jimmy Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Updates on the situation > I've shrunk Vista and left it as the first partition on the HD. After > looking around, I think that my laptop does not have a recovery > partition, which is rather strange. There is no Rescue and Recovery

broken Xorg [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-22 Thread Jimmy Wu
Updates on the situation I've shrunk Vista and left it as the first partition on the HD. After looking around, I think that my laptop does not have a recovery partition, which is rather strange. There is no Rescue and Recovery ThinkVantage tool, or anything that says create recovery media at all.

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jan 18, 2008, at 4:45 PM, Jimmy Wu wrote: On Jan 18, 2008 4:27 PM, Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: xfs sure does copy and delete really large files faster - I do use it for video at home. How big do files have to be before one starts to notice the advantages of XFS? In my exp

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jan 18, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Jimmy Wu wrote: (4) ReiserFS can be flaky on a system crash. I haven't found it to be flaky on system crashes. I have found it to be extremely unforgiving of disk corruption and IDE bus problems. I was able to recover the data with reiserfsck, but it took a ve

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Charlie
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008, Jan Willem Stumpel shared this with us all: >--} So now I am more or less ready to take the plunge. But I would >--} still like some advice. >--} >--} 1. Is it true that ext3 always lets you recover smoothly after a >--}    "freeze and pull the plug", or after a power cut? Or a

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
To the other Mr. Johnson, sorry for the double, I botched the reply/reply to list distinction there. On Jan 19, 2008 12:27 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 01/19/08 13:44, Curt Howland wrote: > > On Saturday 19 January 2008, Jan Willem Stumpel was heard to say: > >> Step 6: type tun

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 02:27:23PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 01/19/08 13:44, Curt Howland wrote: > > If I may interject, creating the journal just creates a blank file. > > So when does the journaling begin? At remount? Perhaps on the next write once it is mounted as ext3? When the journ

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Jan Willem Stumpel
Curt Howland wrote: > If I may interject, creating the journal just creates a blank > file. This would explain why creating the journal does not seem to take any time. But "strings" showed that there was a lot of stuff (at least lots of filenames) in it. Perhaps the journal is *created* as a blan

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/19/08 13:44, Curt Howland wrote: > On Saturday 19 January 2008, Jan Willem Stumpel was heard to say: >> Step 6: type tune2fs -j /dev/hda5. The journal was created >> instantaneously (I'd expected this to take a long time. >> but i

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 19 January 2008, Jan Willem Stumpel was heard to say: > Step 6: type tune2fs -j /dev/hda5. The journal was created > instantaneously (I'd expected this to take a long time. > but it did not). If I may interject, creating th

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Jan Willem Stumpel
Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: > Some steps may have been unnecessary, but it seems I have a > working ext3 system now. It is really easy. The real smoke test > will come, of course, when I pull the plug. Will do this now; if > you do not hear from me, the test will have failed. Thanks to all > who res

Re: Re: Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Jan Willem Stumpel
Paul Johnson wrote: > Step 1: Get root privileges. > Step 2: Type tune2fs -j /dev/whatever > Step 3: Remount the filesystem ext3... I did this, and indeed it was amazingly easy. On a partition of about 24 G (well, this is an *old* disk!) a file /.journal of 128 M (indeed much less than 1%) was cr

Re: Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Jan 19, 2008 9:39 AM, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 02:35:25PM +0100, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: > ... > > > > But sometimes bugs in applications can cause a complete freeze of > > X, incl. keyboard and mouse. It happens to me about once a year, > > un

Re: Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 02:35:25PM +0100, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: ... > > But sometimes bugs in applications can cause a complete freeze of > X, incl. keyboard and mouse. It happens to me about once a year, > unfortunately also yesterday evening. In such a case there is > nothing you can do but

Re: Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Jan 19, 2008 5:35 AM, Jan Willem Stumpel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am especially put off by the Wikipedia article on ext3. It gives > a rather long list of "disadvantages". One of them ("No > checksumming in journal") even sounds pretty frightening. The list > of "advantages" is very short,

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/19/08 07:35, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: > Александър Л. Димитров wrote: >> Quoth Hugo Vanwoerkom: >>> ext2. Never have used any other. >> I seriously hope that this was a joke... > > Maybe it was, but I never used anything but ext2 either, and th

Re: Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Jan Willem Stumpel
Александър Л. Димитров wrote: > Quoth Hugo Vanwoerkom: >> >> ext2. Never have used any other. > > I seriously hope that this was a joke... Maybe it was, but I never used anything but ext2 either, and that is no joke. It has worked fine for many years. I often considered "upgrading" to ext3, but so

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Dan H
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:47:29 +0900 David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ext3 is best if you are dealing with a mixture of both and has the > added security factor of defaulting to Ext2 if it fails. Although I > have never had reason to find out. I'm in the habit of using buggy and crash-prone hardw

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-18 Thread Kent West
Damon L. Chesser wrote: Jimmy Wu wrote: Wow, thanks for the many quick responses. I'm doing a "group reply" to the list by quoting everyone in one message. Not sure if this is top-posting, bottom-posting, or conversational-posting, but if this goes against mailing list etiquette, please tell m

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-18 Thread Damon L. Chesser
Jimmy Wu wrote: Wow, thanks for the many quick responses. I'm doing a "group reply" to the list by quoting everyone in one message. Not sure if this is top-posting, bottom-posting, or conversational-posting, but if this goes against mailing list etiquette, please tell me/flame me gently, and I

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-18 Thread Jimmy Wu
Wow, thanks for the many quick responses. I'm doing a "group reply" to the list by quoting everyone in one message. Not sure if this is top-posting, bottom-posting, or conversational-posting, but if this goes against mailing list etiquette, please tell me/flame me gently, and I won't do it again.

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-18 Thread Allan Wind
On 2008-01-18T16:11:17-0500, Jimmy Wu wrote: > (1) ext3 mounts and unmounts slowly, resulting in increased boot times. I use ext3 on same hardware, and (clean) mounts do not take any significant time: [ 19.209034] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. [ 19.209039] VFS: Mounted

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-18 Thread Александър Л . Димитров
Quoth Hugo Vanwoerkom: > > ext2. Never have used any other. I seriously hope that this was a joke... Aleks signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-18 Thread Александър Л . Димитров
Quoth Jimmy Wu: > I've looked around on Google, and come up with a lot of frustratingly > conflicting advice. That's because file systems are Voodoo. Everyone wants to take part in the discussion, without anyone really understanding what they're talking about. > For example, an article from >

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-18 Thread Damon L. Chesser
Jimmy Wu wrote: Hello, I am trying to decide on which file systems to use for a Debian install on a personal laptop. It's a Thinkpad T61 with one 160 GB HD. I've looked around on Google, and come up with a lot of frustratingly conflicting advice. For example, an article from debian-administra

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-18 Thread David
Jimmy Wu wrote: Hello, I am trying to decide on which file systems to use for a Debian install on a personal laptop. It's a Thinkpad T61 with one 160 GB HD. Hello Jimmy, I have found: Xfs is best for large file sizes, if that's what you are dealing with - graphics, and the ilk; Reiserfs

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-18 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Jimmy Wu wrote: Hello, I am trying to decide on which file systems to use for a Debian install on a personal laptop. It's a Thinkpad T61 with one 160 GB HD. I've looked around on Google, and come up with a lot of frustratingly conflicting advice. For example, an article from debian-administra

which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-18 Thread Jimmy Wu
Hello, I am trying to decide on which file systems to use for a Debian install on a personal laptop. It's a Thinkpad T61 with one 160 GB HD. I've looked around on Google, and come up with a lot of frustratingly conflicting advice. For example, an article from debian-administration touts XFS as

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-15 Thread Max Hyre
David Brodbeck wrote: > I remember when Intel started shipping processors with unique ID > numbers. There was much weeping and gnashing of teeth as open-source > proponents and privacy advocates declared that this would lead to the > end of civilization as we know it. Yup, remember being

Re: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61

2008-01-14 Thread David
Mike Bird wrote: On Mon January 14 2008 13:54:21 David wrote: Sorry for butting in, but assuming this is the Lenovo T61, what do you think of it? It's one of a number I'm considering at the moment. Did you get the pre-installed SUSE option or do you have Debian installed, and if so, any con

Re: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61

2008-01-14 Thread Mike Bird
On Mon January 14 2008 13:54:21 David wrote: > > Lenny installer had no problem shrinking the Vista partition and > > setting up grub dual boot - actually triple boot on the T61 if you > > keep the diag partition (recommended). > > Sorry for butting in, but assuming this is the Lenovo T61, what do

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-14 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jan 13, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Hal Finney wrote: I am actively involved with some open-source TPM projects and see this technology as having tremendous potential. It pains me to see so much uninformed FUD being cast about whenever the topic comes up. We're a twitchy bunch, aren't we? I remember

Re: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61

2008-01-14 Thread David
Mike Bird wrote: Lenny installer had no problem shrinking the Vista partition and setting up grub dual boot - actually triple boot on the T61 if you keep the diag partition (recommended). Sorry for butting in, but assuming this is the Lenovo T61, what do you think of it? It's one of a numb

Re: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61

2008-01-14 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Jan 14, 2008 2:26 PM, Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon January 14 2008 03:47:32 Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 04:51:21PM -0500, Jimmy Wu wrote: > > > am not a big gamer. The only reason I would have Windows is because > > > there might be unforeseeable circumst

Re: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61

2008-01-14 Thread Mike Bird
On Mon January 14 2008 03:47:32 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 04:51:21PM -0500, Jimmy Wu wrote: > > am not a big gamer. The only reason I would have Windows is because > > there might be unforeseeable circumstances when I may run into Windows > > only software. I am sure if I n

Re: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61

2008-01-14 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 04:51:21PM -0500, Jimmy Wu wrote: > am not a big gamer. The only reason I would have Windows is because > there might be unforeseeable circumstances when I may run into Windows > only software. I am sure if I needed to, I could always shrink by > Debian partition later and

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 08:23:30PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 01/13/08 19:42, David wrote: > > > >> > >> Here in the US, 99.5% of the people who regularly use the intarweb > >> couldn't secure their computer with a map, both hands and a flashlight. > > > > They should get the Canadians to sho

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/13/08 19:42, David wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> >> Here in the US, 99.5% of the people who regularly use the intarweb >> couldn't secure their computer with a map, both hands and a flashlight. > > They should get the Canadians to show them

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread David
Ron Johnson wrote: Here in the US, 99.5% of the people who regularly use the intarweb couldn't secure their computer with a map, both hands and a flashlight. They should get the Canadians to show them what they don't know how. Regards, -- David Palmer Linux User - #352034 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread Mike Bird
On Sun January 13 2008 17:18:42 Ron Johnson wrote: > Here in the US, 99.5% of the people who regularly use the intarweb > couldn't secure their computer with a map, both hands and a flashlight. How about with a Debian installation CD? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subjec

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/13/08 17:07, David wrote: > Hal Finney wrote: [snip] > > There is no critique of open source formats here (I've been meaning to > check back on the Open Bios project for a while), but I do endorse full > control being in the hands of the enduser

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread ariestao
> Jimmy Wu wrote: >> I just got the ThinkPad T61 laptop today. I went in to system >> properties to take a look at the hardware device manager and I noticed >> it included "Trusted Platform Module 1.2". Now, this raised a red >> flag for me, as my first impressions of "trusted computing" were >> fr

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread David
Hal Finney wrote: Jimmy Wu wrote: I just got the ThinkPad T61 laptop today. I went in to system properties to take a look at the hardware device manager and I noticed it included "Trusted Platform Module 1.2". Now, this raised a red flag for me, as my first impressions of "trusted computing" wer

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread Hal Finney
Jimmy Wu wrote: > I just got the ThinkPad T61 laptop today. I went in to system > properties to take a look at the hardware device manager and I noticed > it included "Trusted Platform Module 1.2". Now, this raised a red > flag for me, as my first impressions of "trusted computing" were > framed by

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-12 Thread Damon L. Chesser
David wrote: Scott Gifford wrote: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jimmy Wu wrote: [...] (2) Does Debian support TPM chips? What is the community's take on the issue? My take is that TPM does have some security merits, but it also has a lot of potential for abuse. Google turned up these

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-12 Thread Martin Marcher
On Saturday 12 January 2008 08:45 David wrote: > I'm a member of Al Quaida OMG, everybody RUN! Yes that "missquote" was on purpose, please read the references before arresting this person...(whoever it may concern...) -- http://noneisyours.marcher.name http://feeds.feedbur

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-11 Thread David
Scott Gifford wrote: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jimmy Wu wrote: [...] (2) Does Debian support TPM chips? What is the community's take on the issue? My take is that TPM does have some security merits, but it also has a lot of potential for abuse. Google turned up these results of the

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-11 Thread Scott Gifford
David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Jimmy Wu wrote: [...] >> (2) Does Debian support TPM chips? What is the community's take on the issue? >> My take is that TPM does have some security merits, but it also has a >> lot of potential for abuse. >> Google turned up these results of the beginnings o

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-11 Thread Andrew Reid
On Friday 11 January 2008 22:14, Jimmy Wu wrote: > On Jan 10, 2008 12:31 PM, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Mike Bird wrote: > > > You might want to make the recovery CDs and save the recovery > > > partition. > > > In this sad world, being able to restore

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-11 Thread David
Jimmy Wu wrote: I just got the ThinkPad T61 laptop today. I went in to system properties to take a look at the hardware device manager and I noticed it included "Trusted Platform Module 1.2". Now, this raised a red flag for me, as my first impressions of "trusted computing" were framed by thi

Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-11 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Jan 10, 2008 12:31 PM, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Mike Bird wrote: > > You might want to make the recovery CDs and save the recovery > > partition. > > In this sad world, being able to restore/reinstall Vista will > > dramatically > > improve resale

Re: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61

2008-01-10 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Mike Bird wrote: On Wed January 9 2008 13:51:21 Jimmy Wu wrote: The reasons I don't want Vista are as follows: (1) Microsoft claims even the Home Basic needs "20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space" (see http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/win

Re: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61

2008-01-09 Thread Mike Bird
On Wed January 9 2008 13:51:21 Jimmy Wu wrote: > The reasons I don't want Vista are as follows: > (1) Microsoft claims even the Home Basic needs "20 GB hard drive with > at least 15 GB of available space" (see > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/systemrequi >rements.ms

Re: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61

2008-01-09 Thread Jimmy Wu
Thanks to Chris and Mike for your responses - I appreciate your input and time On Jan 9, 2008 6:14 AM, Chris Lale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Perhaps it would be best to install with dual booting by shrinking your > Windoze > partition - have a look at the Debian NewbieDOC wiki [1]. and

Re: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61

2008-01-09 Thread Chris Lale
Jimmy Wu wrote: [...] > I have a few questions before I wipe > Vista off the laptop, specifically about the Thinkpad software that > comes preloaded. Does Debian provide similar support for stuff like > the "Client Security" that manages the fingerprint reader, and other > stuff the volume button

Re: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61

2008-01-08 Thread Mike Bird
On Tue January 8 2008 19:40:43 Jimmy Wu wrote: > A question for Thinkpad Debian users: > > I will be getting a Lenovo Thinkpad T61 in a few days, which will > become my primary computer for school/home etc. I want to run Debian > etch on it, but am relatively new to Debian and Linux (I started wit

new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61

2008-01-08 Thread Jimmy Wu
Hello to the Debian community, A question for Thinkpad Debian users: I will be getting a Lenovo Thinkpad T61 in a few days, which will become my primary computer for school/home etc. I want to run Debian etch on it, but am relatively new to Debian and Linux (I started with Ubuntu about 7 months

Debian on a ThinkPad 380Z

1999-01-22 Thread Matthew Tebbens
Has anyone installed Linux on a ThinkPad 380z ? Any problems, suggestions...? Matthew

debian on a thinkpad 720

1998-08-19 Thread Alan Maciel Salcedo.
please I need help to install linux debian on a microchannel ! thank you very much Alan Maciel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Debian on a ThinkPad

1997-05-08 Thread David S. Jackson
On Thu, 8 May 1997, Wieboldt, David wrote: > >Is anyone here running Debian on a ThinkPad ? > >I would like to install Debian on my ThinkPad 755cx. > > Sure! Have it running on a 760L. I think I have seen reports of it > running on various other stinkpads too. Regular s

RE: Debian on a ThinkPad

1997-05-08 Thread Wieboldt, David
>From: Matthew Tebbens[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 1997 23:34 PM >To:debian-user@lists.debian.org >Cc:The recipient's address is unknown. >Subject: Debian on a ThinkPad > >Is anyone here running Debian on a ThinkPad ? >I would

Debian on a ThinkPad

1997-05-08 Thread Matthew Tebbens
Is anyone here running Debian on a ThinkPad ? I would like to install Debian on my ThinkPad 755cx. Thanks, Matthew -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Help installing Debian on a Thinkpad

1997-01-09 Thread Paul Rightley
I am trying to install Debian (1.2) on my Thinkpad 365XD. I cannot get the rescue disk to boot (I have tries both the 12/8/96 and the 1/4/97 disk sets). The symptoms are as follows. I put the floppy in the (external) drive and power-up the machine (same thing happens on warm reboots). I get th