Greg Wooledge:
Neither of those links talks about jessie's specific default script that waits
for network interfaces to start.
They do, however, explain what LSB has to do with things, which was what you
wondered about.
Greg Wooledge:
Neither do they mention this "van Smoorenburg".
Miguel
On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 05:34:13PM +, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> Anonymous:
> >The error message:"A start job is running for LSB: Raise
> >network interface (xx sec/no limit)". Where xx is a count up in
> >seconds that never ends.
>
> Greg Wooledge:
> >"LSB" stands for Linux Standard
Joe:
A fair number of wheezy systems will be servers, upgraded many times.
Mine started out as sarge. What are the odds of such a system making
the change to systemd without problems?
It depends. But my own experience is that *if they were already using
systemd* on Debian 7, it was a cert
Anonymous:
The error message:"A start job is running for LSB: Raise
network interface (xx sec/no limit)". Where xx is a count up in
seconds that never ends.
Greg Wooledge:
"LSB" stands for Linux Standard Base [...] I don't know what LSB has
to do with Debian's boot process waiting for the
On 11/26/2016 01:02 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
Note that many things (Gnome, I'm looking at you) *require* systemd
these days: it'll be much more difficult to avoid systemd if you
want a "modern" desktop environment.
That is the exact reason that I am using Mate. Based on Gnome 2 with no
syste
On Monday, November 28, 2016 10:35:55 AM Nicolas George wrote:
> L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, rhkra...@gmail.com a écrit :
> > I'm not the OP, but I don't know how to do that. Are you referring to
> > things like bank accounts or things like accounts on online services
> > (e.g., for logon to go
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 04:35:55PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> I am referring to things like bank accounts, everyday errands, etc.
I would find it rather difficult to access my bank's web-based account
management system without a network connection. I think the only other
choice would be to wa
L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, rhkra...@gmail.com a écrit :
> I'm not the OP, but I don't know how to do that. Are you referring to things
> like bank accounts or things like accounts on online services (e.g., for
> logon
> to google or such).
I am referring to things like bank accounts, every
On Monday, November 28, 2016 10:12:58 AM Nicolas George wrote:
> Do you not know how to manage your accounts without an Internet
> connection?
I'm not the OP, but I don't know how to do that. Are you referring to things
like bank accounts or things like accounts on online services (e.g., for log
L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, Greg Wooledge a écrit :
> A Linux system in 2016 without a working network is basically a brick,
Do you not know how to type and print a text without an Internet
connection?
Do you not know how to make computations without an Internet connection?
Do you not know ho
On 11/28/2016 7:41 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
A Linux system in 2016 without a working network is basically a brick,
so there should be no shock when the boot process patiently waits for
your network to be configured before bringing up all of the network
services.
You *ERR*
Neither of the Linux
On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 02:02:37PM -0500, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> On 11/25/16, oldbluebear wrote:
> > What is LBC ? I am getting screens of stuff that no longer makes sense.
>
> Never heard of it so I tried a quick search of the Net. Landed the
> potential phrase, "Linux Binary Compatibility".
On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 18:38:58 +0100, Rob van der Putten wrote:
> Hi there
>
>
> On 25/11/16 22:26, Latincom wrote:
>
>> Is there a step by step guide or How to on line?
>> I have 1 Wheezy without Systemd, and i would like to upgrade it.
>> Thanks.
>
> You can do both an upgrade and an install f
On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:02:50 +0100 wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 03:57:53PM -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:26:06 + (UTC) Latincom
> > wrote:
> [snip]
> > > Is there a step by step guide or How to on line?
> > > I have 1 Wheezy without Systemd, and i would like to
Hi there
On 26/11/16 18:38, Rob van der Putten wrote:
I run XFCE on my desktop. I had to add myself to sudo to make things
work properly.
And admin.
admin is needed to get xconsole syslog to work.
sudo to keep xdm logout from complaining. I use lightdm now though.
I edited the cups config
Hi there
On 25/11/16 22:26, Latincom wrote:
Is there a step by step guide or How to on line?
I have 1 Wheezy without Systemd, and i would like to upgrade it.
Thanks.
You can do both an upgrade and an install from scratch without systemd;
http://without-systemd.org/
http://without-systemd.org
Joe writes:
> Sorry, I may not have been clear, I was saying that reinstalling to
> jump the 32/64 bit barrier has been the only significant upheaval in
> the progress of my server since sarge, and that reinstallation was like
> for like and therefore quite simple.
>
> If I have to reinstall the
On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 09:01:33 -0500
Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 10:27:07AM +, Joe wrote:
> > On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:02:50 +0100
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 03:57:53PM -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > If you do a normal dist-upgra
On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 10:27:07AM +, Joe wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:02:50 +0100
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 03:57:53PM -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
> > >
> > > If you do a normal dist-upgrade Wheezy to Jessie, sysvinit will be
> > > replaced with systemd.
> >
> > Not f
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On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 10:27:07AM +, Joe wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:02:50 +0100
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 03:57:53PM -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
> > >
> > > If you do a normal dist-upgrade Wheezy to Jessie, sysvinit will b
On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:02:50 +0100
wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 03:57:53PM -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >
> > If you do a normal dist-upgrade Wheezy to Jessie, sysvinit will be
> > replaced with systemd.
>
> Not forcefully.
>
> > And probably screw everything up..
>
> Now this is a
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On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 03:57:53PM -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:26:06 + (UTC) Latincom
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 16:31:54 +, Brian wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri 25 Nov 2016 at 15:21:23 +, oldbluebear wrote:
>
oldbluebear composed on 2016-11-25 15:21 (UTC):
I am at the point where I am now seriously going to look at what other
Linux versions are available or maybe pull one of the earlier Debian
Distro CDs I still have in my store and load that simply to get back an
environment in which I can work.
..
On Fri 25 Nov 2016 at 15:34:01 (-0500), The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2016-11-25 at 14:02, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote:
>
> > Seriously tho; If you had RTFM you would have known systemd and
> > friends were going to be the default on upgrade and taken steps to
> > migrate your init.d scripts beforehand.
On Fri 25 Nov 2016 at 21:26:06 +, Latincom wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 16:31:54 +, Brian wrote:
>
> > On Fri 25 Nov 2016 at 15:21:23 +, oldbluebear wrote:
> >
> > [...Lots of disgruntlement snipped...]
> >
> >> How can I at this stage bring this machine back nearer to SySV?
> >
>
oldbluebear composed on 2016-11-25 15:21 (UTC):
I am at the point where I am now seriously going to look at what other
Linux versions are available or maybe pull one of the earlier Debian
Distro CDs I still have in my store and load that simply to get back an
environment in which I can work.
..
On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 16:31:54 +, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 25 Nov 2016 at 15:21:23 +, oldbluebear wrote:
>
> [...Lots of disgruntlement snipped...]
>
>> How can I at this stage bring this machine back nearer to SySV?
>
> You can bring it back in all its glory with
>
> apt-get install sysv
On 2016-11-25 at 14:02, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote:
> Seriously tho; If you had RTFM you would have known systemd and
> friends were going to be the default on upgrade and taken steps to
> migrate your init.d scripts beforehand.
To be fair, it's entirely reasonable to expect that a change in what
On 11/25/2016 07:21 AM, oldbluebear wrote:
> Hi, I am one disgruntled punter. ...
I've been doing console/ server Debian since 1.5 and daily graphical
desktop since 5. cdrtools was a problem. systemd is worse. I'm
currently on 7 and considering replacing Debian when Wheezy is retired.
You mig
Sorry I can't resist;
Seriously tho; If you had RTFM you would have known systemd and friends
were going to be the default on upgrade and taken steps to migrate your
init.d scripts beforehand.
Also you heavily modified base (which by your own admission, you had -
"stripped down") and you expect
On 11/25/16, oldbluebear wrote:
>
> This time I find the current Debian as part of the install process has
> created a "Document" where it wants to save any .doc file. I do not
> want this, I want them on my Desktop from which I move them manually.
> How do I get rid of this action which I do n
On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 03:21:23PM +, oldbluebear wrote:
> Hi, I am one disgruntled punter.
>
> I have been using Debian since early 1990s. I use it to do useful work so
> any problem with the o/s is a pain in the butt. meaning I have to spend
> scarce time resolving bugs that should have been
On Fri 25 Nov 2016 at 15:21:23 +, oldbluebear wrote:
[...Lots of disgruntlement snipped...]
> How can I at this stage bring this machine back nearer to SySV?
You can bring it back in all its glory with
apt-get install sysvinit-core
--
Brian.
Hi, I am one disgruntled punter.
I have been using Debian since early 1990s. I use it to do useful work
so any problem with the o/s is a pain in the butt. meaning I have to
spend scarce time resolving bugs that should have been removed before it
was released. -classic garage software I suppose
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