Re: Comments about FHS -and- Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-05 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Glenn Bily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Folks, > [This should spark a debate :)] > > What is the fine line between a library such as libc.so.5, libm.so.5 or > libcurses.a and just a compiled object file? Please do not try to "spark debate" (troll) on the FHS discussion mailing list. I do not ap

Re: Comments about FHS -and- Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-05 Thread Glenn Bily
Folks, [This should spark a debate :)] What is the fine line between a library such as libc.so.5, libm.so.5 or libcurses.a and just a compiled object file? --Glenn

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-05 Thread Glenn Bily
Larry, They intend to implement /opt as a major mount point. They also plan to make /usr/local a very dangerous place to play. :) I hope that Debian will make a policy of staying out of /usr/local. This is way it is shaping up for each application: Beside the binary in /usr/bin or /bin. There wi

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-05 Thread Larry 'Daffy' Daffner
Greg Hudson writes: -> >> In addition, the admin's life would only be made easier. -> -> > "Let's see where is perl stuffof course: /usr/perl" -> -> Of course it looks easier if you only ask one question. -> -> "Where are the operating system binaries that should go in users' -> paths?" ->

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-05 Thread David Engel
On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Philippe Troin wrote: > On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 11:04:06 CDT David Engel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > There is a curses-based version of Tk, but I don't have any idea of > > how well it works. > > Do you know where we could find this thing ? Might be interesting... It's at ft

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-05 Thread Philippe Troin
On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 11:04:06 CDT David Engel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Bruce Perens writes: > > It's unfortunate that the printer config stuff (and other stuff from > > Red Hat) is written in TCL/TK. One thing we _don't_ assume is that the > > user has X (or even a VGA card - it might be a se

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-04 Thread Dominik Kubla
> Your idea is sound. I'm opposed to merging XDM and startx too much. XDM > and startx already share too much to some degree. We need to make > considerations that someone running XDM will not necessarily have > choices of window managers before the session begins. It would be a big > plus if Debi

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-04 Thread David Engel
Bruce Perens writes: > It's unfortunate that the printer config stuff (and other stuff from > Red Hat) is written in TCL/TK. One thing we _don't_ assume is that the > user has X (or even a VGA card - it might be a serial console). > > A shell/dialog solution would be much better. There is a curse

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-03 Thread Glenn Bily
> Jason, > On Sun, 1 Sep 1996, Glenn Bily wrote: > >Debian is parse through /etc/X11/window-managers and execute the first > window manager that it finds (and is >installed). In a larger > environment where you have users that prefer one window manager over > another, a > >convenient method we u

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-03 Thread Bruce Perens
It's unfortunate that the printer config stuff (and other stuff from Red Hat) is written in TCL/TK. One thing we _don't_ assume is that the user has X (or even a VGA card - it might be a serial console). A shell/dialog solution would be much better. Thanks Bruce

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-03 Thread Jason K. Keimig
On Sun, 1 Sep 1996, Glenn Bily wrote: > 5) If a startup shell script for window managers should also be easy to > add. > > I think that the user should have the possibility of specifying the > window manager at the startx prompt such as: > > startx fvwm > startx openwin > startx

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-03 Thread Greg Hudson
>> In addition, the admin's life would only be made easier. > "Let's see where is perl stuffof course: /usr/perl" Of course it looks easier if you only ask one question. "Where are the operating system binaries that should go in users' paths?" "Where are the standard C++ libraries? Where i

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-03 Thread Glenn Bily
Larry, > >Glenn Bily writes: > >-> > Glenn Bily writes: > >-> > -> 1) Long awaited cleaning out of /usr/lib. In addition, categorizing > >-> > -> what is left into subdirectories. > >-> > >-> > This has a number of problems, namely: > >-> > 1) Would require changes to binutils for linux that don'

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-03 Thread Larry 'Daffy' Daffner
Glenn Bily writes: -> > Glenn Bily writes: -> > -> 1) Long awaited cleaning out of /usr/lib. In addition, categorizing -> > -> what is left into subdirectories. -> -> > This has a number of problems, namely: -> > 1) Would require changes to binutils for linux that don't have to -> >happen on

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-03 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Sun, 1 Sep 1996, Glenn Bily wrote: > Bruce, > > > >> If /usr/local is really for local configuration then it >shouldn't be in > > >> /usr. > > > > >Yes. It should probably be a symlink to somewhere else out >of the box > > >on a freshly-installed Debian system. The installation >scripts can do

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-03 Thread Glenn Bily
> Mark, > This doesn't answer the overall question...why is it there? > > --Glenn > >> > On a debian system I am looking at has a >/usr/local/lib/emacs which I > >> > consider to be stranded. > >> Please check that the _cur

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-03 Thread Mark Eichin
> > On a debian system I am looking at has a /usr/local/lib/emacs which I > > consider to be stranded. > Please check that the _current_ Emacs package still does this. Current emacs does *create* the directory (ie. it is in the package contents), as recommended by the debian packaging guidelines,

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-03 Thread Glenn Bily
Bruce, > >> If /usr/local is really for local configuration then it >shouldn't be in > >> /usr. > > >Yes. It should probably be a symlink to somewhere else out >of the box > >on a freshly-installed Debian system. The installation >scripts can do > >that. Please submit a bug report on the "boot-flo

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-03 Thread Rob Browning
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) writes: > (like RCS) on /etc . "dpkg" doesn't currently know how to check control files > in and out of RCS - is this a good idea? Currently, it will leave a > "filename.dpkg-new" file around for you to hand-edit if you decline to > over-write a control file. This

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-03 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Glenn Bily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 1) Long awaited cleaning out of /usr/lib. In addition, categorizing > what is left into subdirectories. > > A reasonable setup would be: > > /usr/lib/elf -- elf shared libs > /usr/lib/aout -- a.out shared libs How about /usr/lib/i386-elf and /usr/lib/i386-

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-03 Thread Glenn Bily
> Glenn Bily writes: > -> 1) Long awaited cleaning out of /usr/lib. In addition, categorizing > -> what is left into subdirectories. > This has a number of problems, namely: > 1) Would require changes to binutils for linux that don't have to >happen on other systems. Too much work for too lit

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-03 Thread Glenn Bily
> >> Folks, > >> > >> > >> These ideas are being posted here from net news per >request. > >> Response is desired (even if it's not Debian priority) > > [...] > >> 3) Server and client installation distinctions. Possible >avenue for easy > >> minimal setup of X clients. > >> > >> A person insta

Re: Cross posting per request

1996-09-02 Thread Larry 'Daffy' Daffner
Glenn Bily writes: -> 1) Long awaited cleaning out of /usr/lib. In addition, categorizing -> what is left into subdirectories. This has a number of problems, namely: 1) Would require changes to binutils for linux that don't have to happen on other systems. Too much work for too little gain. 2

Cross posting per request

1996-09-02 Thread Glenn Bily
Folks, These ideas are being posted here from net news per request. Response is desired (even if it's not Debian priority) 1) Long awaited cleaning out of /usr/lib. In addition, categorizing what is left into subdirectories. A reasonable setup would be: /usr/lib/elf -- elf shared libs /usr/li