Re: Clarifying what 'systemd' actually means

2017-07-03 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Sun 02/Jul/2017 15:13:06 +0200 Christian Seiler wrote: > (To clarify: I'm not saying that people who don't like systemd > can't be rational, but I do think that anyone who claims to see > a conspiracy here is not taking a rational position.) Admittedly it was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, although

Re: Clarifying what 'systemd' actually means

2017-07-02 Thread Joel Rees
On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > On Sun 02/Jul/2017 12:37:33 +0200 Christian Seiler wrote: >> On 07/02/2017 11:24 AM, Michael Fothergill wrote: >>> Could this be exploited to force people to use sysvinit instead of systemd ? > > :-) :-| >> This bug has nothing to do wit

Re: Clarifying what 'systemd' actually means

2017-07-02 Thread deloptes
The Wanderer wrote: > That project is made up of people, and those people could potentially > be (in) a conspiracy. A conspiracy of egomania and selfishness :D

Re: Clarifying what 'systemd' actually means

2017-07-02 Thread Christian Seiler
On 07/02/2017 01:37 PM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > On Sun 02/Jul/2017 12:37:33 +0200 Christian Seiler wrote: >> This bug has nothing to do with systemd as the init system, it's in an >> optional component that's disabled by default on Debian. In principle, >> I suspect that resolved could also be u

Re: Clarifying what 'systemd' actually means

2017-07-02 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-07-02 at 08:42, Curt wrote: > On 2017-07-02, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > >> I'd be curious on why tools which don't even require that systemd >> be PID1 go under the systemd umbrella. Doesn't that contribute to >> make systemd appear like some kind of conspiracy? > > A piece of software

Re: Clarifying what 'systemd' actually means

2017-07-02 Thread Curt
On 2017-07-02, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > > I'd be curious on why tools which don't even require that systemd be PID1 go > under the systemd umbrella. Doesn't that contribute to make systemd appear > like some kind of conspiracy? A piece of software cannot be a conspiracy. A conspiracy requires

Re: Clarifying what 'systemd' actually means

2017-07-02 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Sun 02/Jul/2017 12:37:33 +0200 Christian Seiler wrote: > On 07/02/2017 11:24 AM, Michael Fothergill wrote: >> ​Could this be exploited to force people to use sysvinit instead of systemd ? :-) > This bug has nothing to do with systemd as the init system, it's in an > optional component that's d

Clarifying what 'systemd' actually means (was: Re: Remotely exploitable bug in systemd (CVE-2017-9445))

2017-07-02 Thread Christian Seiler
On 07/02/2017 11:24 AM, Michael Fothergill wrote: > ​Could this be exploited to force people to use sysvinit instead of systemd ? This bug has nothing to do with systemd as the init system, it's in an optional component that's disabled by default on Debian. In principle, I suspect that resolved co