On Wed, 24 Jun 2015, Seeker wrote:
>
>
> On 6/24/2015 3:58 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> > On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 14:47:27 -0700
> > Seeker wrote:
> >
> >> Paranoia is the foundation of paranoia, fueled by those who would
> >> prevent others from having a choice of using systemd.
> > No-one wa
On 06/25/2015 12:33 AM, Seeker wrote:
Even though the more extreme squeeky wheels generally seem to be absent
now, or at least refraining from
beating a dead horse, the sensitivity from those earlier "discussions"
remains.
And, when we finally arrive at Quantum Computing, I'll see a sensitivit
On 6/24/2015 3:58 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 14:47:27 -0700
Seeker wrote:
Paranoia is the foundation of paranoia, fueled by those who would
prevent others from having a choice of using systemd.
No-one wants to prevent others from having a choice of using systemd;
wh
On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 14:47:27 -0700
Seeker wrote:
> Paranoia is the foundation of paranoia, fueled by those who would
> prevent others from having a choice of using systemd.
No-one wants to prevent others from having a choice of using systemd;
what some people want is the freedom not to use it
On 6/24/2015 6:19 AM, Jape Person wrote:
On 06/24/2015 08:01 AM, Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
On Tuesday 23 June 2015 18:33:22 Patrick Bartek wrote:
Yes, but I still have the following packages installed because I
haeven't
cleaned them out. You might have them around also.
i libsystemd-d
On 06/24/2015 at 08:46 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 June 2015 13:01:55 Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
>
>> i systemd-shim- shim for systemd
>
> AIUI you need that for what you are now doing. I noticed that you
> hadn't installed it and wondered how you were OK.
Actu
Christian,
Thanks for this. I've printed it on paper for study and reference. It
is slow going for me, but I finally have a feeling that I might have a
chance at understanding systemd. The printed version is eleven
USletter pages. So far, I've gotten to middle of page three.
Best regards,
pec
O
On 06/24/2015 08:01 AM, Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
On Tuesday 23 June 2015 18:33:22 Patrick Bartek wrote:
apt-get install sysvinit-core sysvinit sysvinit-utils
apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove systemd
Fixed my problems, and gave me a 100% working system.
Did you check for any remnants of
On Wednesday 24 June 2015 13:01:55 Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
> i systemd-shim - shim for systemd
>
AIUI you need that for what you are now doing. I noticed that you hadn't
installed it and wondered how you were OK.
Lisi
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:01:55PM +, Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 June 2015 18:33:22 Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
> > > apt-get install sysvinit-core sysvinit sysvinit-utils
> > > apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove systemd
> > >
> > >
On Tuesday 23 June 2015 18:33:22 Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > apt-get install sysvinit-core sysvinit sysvinit-utils
> > apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove systemd
> >
> > Fixed my problems, and gave me a 100% working system.
>
> Did you check for any remnants of systemd (libraries, config files,
On 24/06/15 00:48, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
Will the same pinning prevent systemd from installing when I dist-upgrade from
Wheezy to Jessie ?
Yes. This procedure is *clearly stated* in the official Release Notes
for Debian jessie.
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 June 2015 22:35:51 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Tuesday 23 June 2015 19:40:54 Mark Allums wrote:
> > > > There certainly have been bugs in systemd, but at least half of
> > > > the problems you've listed don't appear to be bugs in systemd
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 21:51:40 +
"Zebediah C. McClure" wrote:
> echo -e 'Package: systemd\nPin: origin ""\nPin-Priority: -1' >
> /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd
>
> echo -e '\n\nPackage: *systemd*\nPin: origin ""\nPin-Priority: -1' >>
> /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd
Will the same pinning pr
On Tuesday 23 June 2015 22:55:59 Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 June 2015 22:35:51 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Tuesday 23 June 2015 19:40:54 Mark Allums wrote:
> > > > There certainly have been bugs in systemd, but at least half of the
> > > > problems you've listed don't appear to be bugs
On Tuesday 23 June 2015 22:35:51 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 June 2015 19:40:54 Mark Allums wrote:
> > > There certainly have been bugs in systemd, but at least half of the
> > > problems you've listed don't appear to be bugs in systemd, but are
> > > possibly bugs in some other package.
> >
On Tuesday 23 June 2015 13:40:54 Mark Allums wrote:
> On 06/23/2015 11:45 AM, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Jun 2015, Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
> >> Non-booting system because of race condition in drive mounting.
> >
> > The ordering of drives by systemd is based on dependencies, and there
On Tuesday 23 June 2015 19:40:54 Mark Allums wrote:
> > There certainly have been bugs in systemd, but at least half of the
> > problems you've listed don't appear to be bugs in systemd, but are
> > possibly bugs in some other package.
>
> We beg to differ.
What evidence have you that the bugs are
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Mark Allums wrote:
> On 06/23/2015 11:45 AM, Don Armstrong wrote:
> >But that said, if you've found [a boot order bug] please file a bug
> >with enough details to reproduce it.
>
> This happens a lot. Reproducing the problem is hard to do when it
> randomly crops up every 10th
On 06/23/2015 11:45 AM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2015, Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
Non-booting system because of race condition in drive mounting.
The ordering of drives by systemd is based on dependencies, and there
shouldn't be issues.
But that said, if you've found one, please fi
On 06/23/2015 12:59 PM, Erwan David wrote:
> Note that I use policy-rc.d to check whether the encrypted disk is
> mounted for the daemons that need it (it allows not to change the init
> files)
That works? policy-rc.d should only affect invoke-rc.d, which shouldn't
be relevant at boot, but only in
On Mon, 22 Jun 2015, Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
> Non-booting system because of race condition in drive mounting.
The ordering of drives by systemd is based on dependencies, and there
shouldn't be issues.
But that said, if you've found one, please file a bug with enough
details to reproduce it.
2015-06-23 12:59 GMT+02:00 Erwan David :
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 12:04:57PM CEST, Jonathan Dowland
> said:
> > On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 08:46:39AM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> > > If OI were to write documentation it would be "it does not work". Just
> > > because I do not know how to make it wor
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 12:04:57PM CEST, Jonathan Dowland
said:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 08:46:39AM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> > If OI were to write documentation it would be "it does not work". Just
> > because I do not know how to make it work.
>
> If you can explain what the things are that
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 08:46:39AM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> If OI were to write documentation it would be "it does not work". Just
> because I do not know how to make it work.
If you can explain what the things are that "do not work", one at a time, there
is some chance somebody can help. Unfor
2015-06-22 21:09 GMT+02:00 Erwan David :
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 08:31:55PM CEST, Martin Read
> said:
> > On 22/06/15 18:26, Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
> > >What is the correct way to work towards not having systemd be installed
> by
> > >default in stretch?
> >
> > That depends on your goal.
>
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 09:09:00PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 08:31:55PM CEST, Martin Read
> said:
> > On 22/06/15 18:26, Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
> > >What is the correct way to work towards not having systemd be installed
Le quintidi 5 messidor, an CCXXIII, Erwan David a écrit :
> If OI were to write documentation it would be "it does not work". Just
> because I do not know how to make it work.
That may well be, but my point still stands: you can decide on what you
spend your own time, but you can not make demands
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 09:46:23PM CEST, Nicolas George said:
> Le quartidi 4 messidor, an CCXXIII, Erwan David a écrit :
> > I have a stretch with only parts of systemd and settings that I do not
> > know how to replicate in systemd: How do I do ?
> >
> > Where so I find docs and tutorials to mi
On 06/22/2015 05:54 PM, Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
systemd is a lot more all encompassing than init, or any of it's replacements
are, and it's the only package that has caused me any headache. I'd love to
see the debate reopened, I certainly wouldn't set it as default or mark it
stable.
Like t
On Monday 22 June 2015 21:27:40 Martin Read wrote:
> On 22/06/15 20:37, Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
> > I think sysv is a great candidate to replace systemd. Which system init
> > system is most likely to be considered to replace systemd?
>
> Honestly? None. The entire topic caused a great deal of
On 22/06/15 20:37, Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
I think sysv is a great candidate to replace systemd. Which system init
system is most likely to be considered to replace systemd?
Honestly? None. The entire topic caused a great deal of incendiary
debate among the people who make Debian happen, a
On 22/06/15 20:09, Erwan David wrote:
I have a stretch with only parts of systemd and settings that I do not
know how to replicate in systemd: How do I do ?
That depends on which settings those are.
Where so I find docs and tutorials to migrate ?
I have no idea.
> Where can I discuss the p
Le quartidi 4 messidor, an CCXXIII, Erwan David a écrit :
> I have a stretch with only parts of systemd and settings that I do not
> know how to replicate in systemd: How do I do ?
>
> Where so I find docs and tutorials to migrate ? Where can I discuss
> the problems (no here is not the place).
>
> If your goal is for something other than systemd to be the default "init
> system" of Debian stretch, then *well* before stretch enters freeze, you
> need to have contributed to Debian a system initialization and service
> management system that over 50% of active Debian Developers think is an
>
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 08:31:55PM CEST, Martin Read said:
> On 22/06/15 18:26, Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
> >What is the correct way to work towards not having systemd be installed by
> >default in stretch?
>
> That depends on your goal.
>
> If your goal is to have a dpkg-based Linux distributi
On 22/06/15 18:26, Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
What is the correct way to work towards not having systemd be installed by
default in stretch?
That depends on your goal.
If your goal is to have a dpkg-based Linux distribution which leverages
the good work done in Debian and does not use systemd
What is the correct way to work towards not having systemd be installed by
default in stretch?
zmc
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