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2007-03-18 Thread Paul Scott
Mathias Brodala wrote: Hello Michael. You don’t need another client since Thunderbird/Icedove has an extension[0] which enables you to reply to list only. I’m using it for a long time now. Don’t worry about the patch mentioned on the site, it’s already in Debian’s Thunderbird/Icedove package[1].

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-15 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:10:41 +0100 Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've had bad experiences with Kubuntu myself. I convinced my > > brother to try it, but it would freeze at loading KDE. He was > > pretty disappointed and gave up. Now I want to give it another try > > with etch as I am

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-15 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include > * Andrei Popescu [Tue, Feb 06 2007, 10:43:32PM]: >> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 >> Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out >>> myself, I

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-15 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Andrei Popescu [Tue, Feb 06 2007, 10:43:32PM]: > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out > > myself, I haven't got the chance (I just used NetInstall's default > > curses insta

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-10 Thread Joe Hart
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:59:01PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote: Many of the posts contain good ideas, and I changed some of the ideas I expressed in my post as a result. For example, I used "brain dead user" (BDU) at first to refer to myself, but further in my tex

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-10 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:59:01PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote: > Many of the posts contain good ideas, and I changed some of the ideas I > expressed in my post as a result. For example, I used "brain dead user" > (BDU) at first to refer to myself, but further in my text I used it to > refer to

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-10 Thread Ken Heard
Michael, Thank you for your positive response to my "Attracting newbies" post, which really started the fork from "Booting Debian/testing fails". The original post from Terrence Brannon generated 59 responses including mine; whereas there have been so far 96 response

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:30:21AM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: [..] > I've been using Debian (Sid) exclusively for 4-5 years now. However, as > I've posted elsewhere on this list, when I bought a new Thinkpad Z61M > last week I had a lot of problems with getting Sid to work properly. The > wirel

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-09 Thread Stephen
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 09:51:30AM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > On Thu 2007-02-08 09:54:28 -0500, Stephen wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > > > > Snipped from my config.py: > > > > > > # 1: Use SMTP_SERVER to send mail. > > >

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-09 Thread David Hart
On Thu 2007-02-08 09:54:28 -0500, Stephen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > > Snipped from my config.py: > > > > # 1: Use SMTP_SERVER to send mail. > > # 0: Call /usr/sbin/sendmail to send mail. > > SMTP_SEND = 1 > > SMTP_SERVER = "jyn

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread Stephen
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:03:01PM -0500 or thereabouts, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > News to me -- I've always used the package or application name. As an > > aside, I thought that new applications for Linux were encouraged to use > > Info for documentation ... > > Info is what the FSF is

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread hendrik
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:54:28AM -0500, Stephen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > On Wed 2007-02-07 15:57:07 -0500, Stephen wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > [ ...] > > > Snipped fr

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > On Wed 2007-02-07 15:57:07 -0500, Stephen wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: [ ...] > Snipped from my config.py: > > # 1: Use SMTP_SERVER to send mail. > # 0: Cal

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread Dave Patterson
Michael Pobega wrote: > As for the newbie documentation, we should definitely get something > together. Everyone who is interested email me at my personal emailing > just to say "Aie!". Drop me an AIM/MSN/Jabber contact so I can reach you > beyond email if possible. > I'm in. Ciao, Dave s

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread M-L
On Thursday 08 February 2007 01:59, Celejar shared this with us all: >--} On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:32:02 -0500 >--} Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >--} >--} [snip] >--} >--} > see how the turnout is; If anyone else is interested email me >--} > personally, and email it to the list also (Se

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 13:57, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:20:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/07/07 11:31, Andrei Popescu wrote: >> >>> If I were to transform my firewall machine in a mailserver then IMAP >>> would be the best

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread David Hart
On Wed 2007-02-07 15:57:07 -0500, Stephen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > > > Ehh? For such a simple program I think it's well documented. 'man r2e' > > and the self documented config file ~/.rss2email/config.py should > > tell you all you

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-07 Thread hendrik
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:07:59PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 10:59:09AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 07:59:40PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > > > > > The document is now licensed under GPL v2. Please let me know if there is >

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > On Wed 2007-02-07 13:57:42 -0500, Stephen wrote: { ...} using fetchmail/procmail to get RSS. > That's what I do, into its own folder. > > > I just grabbed it, the documentation is non existent. :( > > Ehh? For such a

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:20:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/07/07 11:31, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > If I were to transform my firewall machine in a mailserver then IMAP > > would be the best choice to access it. > > That's the *second worst* place to put it. > please enlighten. I am i

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-07 Thread Wulfy
Celejar wrote: A common problem with linux gui tools is that they are often really just simple front ends to the cli tools, and they often aren't really easier to use than them; if the user doesn't have a pretty good understanding of the underlying cli tool he'll be stuck even in the gui, and if

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread David Hart
On Wed 2007-02-07 13:57:42 -0500, Stephen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 06:26:44PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > On Wed 2007-02-07 12:47:55 -0500, Stephen wrote: > > [ ...] > > > > Does it do mbox format and are URLs included ? > > > > It delivers either via smtp or /usr/sbin/se

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:51:02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:50:23PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > Or if you feel brave, mutt-ng from experimental. I you set up your > > mail to use Maildir than you can switch mail clients with problems, > > or even >

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:50:23PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > Or if you feel brave, mutt-ng from experimental. I you set up your mail > to use Maildir than you can switch mail clients with problems, or even

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 06:26:44PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > On Wed 2007-02-07 12:47:55 -0500, Stephen wrote: [ ...] > > Does it do mbox format and are URLs included ? > > It delivers either via smtp or /usr/sbin/sendmail, not directly to > a mail store. Hm OK Then I use say pro

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread David Hart
On Wed 2007-02-07 12:47:55 -0500, Stephen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:01:00PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > > > For the few RSS feeds that I need to read I use 'rss2email'. > > Looks great -- Without looking at the package, just a couple quick > questions; > > Does it do mb

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 11:31, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:05:14 -0600 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Out of curiosity, why don't you implement IMAP? >>> Because at the moment it's all on the same computer. I am thinking >>> to

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-07 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 10:59:09AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 07:59:40PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > > > The document is now licensed under GPL v2. Please let me know if there is > > anything else I can do. > > possibly the LGPL or the WxWindows leicence t

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:01:00PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > On Wed 2007-02-07 11:33:24 -0500, Stephen wrote: > > > Of course since you're using T-Bird for e-mail, it would check the RSS > > feeds at the same time it polls for e-mail. I really wish I could > > use mutt though. ;)

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:05:14 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Out of curiosity, why don't you implement IMAP? > > > > Because at the moment it's all on the same computer. I am thinking > > to go for IMAP as soon as I get my firewall back on line (hdd is > > down), > > Ah, a secu

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 10:36, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:56:14 -0600 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/07/07 02:39, Andrei Popescu wrote: >>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:11:5

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread David Hart
On Wed 2007-02-07 11:33:24 -0500, Stephen wrote: > Of course since you're using T-Bird for e-mail, it would check the RSS > feeds at the same time it polls for e-mail. I really wish I could > use mutt though. ;) For the few RSS feeds that I need to read I use 'rss2email'. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Stephen. Stephen, 07.02.2007 17:33: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:08:06PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala > wrote: >> Stephen, 07.02.2007 15:21: >>> On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:09:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala >>> wrote: Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: > >>> ? It require

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:56:14 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/07/07 02:39, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:11:54 -0500 > > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [snip] > > I am planing to write som

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:08:06PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: > Hello Stephen. > > Stephen, 07.02.2007 15:21: > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:09:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala > > wrote: > >> Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: > > ? It requires more than Enigmail. > > No,

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-07 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 07:59:40PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > On Tuesday 06 February 2007 04:25, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:01:43 -0500 > > > I do not understand your comment about debian wiki. Do you want me to > > > put a link in the debian wiki or do you want me to

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Stephen. Stephen, 07.02.2007 15:21: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:09:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala > wrote: >> Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: >>> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:43:32PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala >>> wrote: > > Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-07 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:13:07 + Wulfy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Now if only we had *more* GUI tools (that weren't crippled 'cos they're > for "clueless newbies(tm)") not instead of, but as well as the command > line tools (for those who prefer cryptic and opaque)... ;@) A common

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-07 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:33:45 +0200 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:21:49 +1300 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Bannister) wrote: [snip] > > There are sites geared to helping newbies: linuxquestions.org, > > tldp.org. > > Not Debian specific. It might even be worse t

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:32:02 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > see how the turnout is; If anyone else is interested email me > personally, and email it to the list also (Send two separate emails > though, otherwise it won't pass my email filters. I'm interested. Celejar

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:09:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: > Hello Stephen. > > Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:43:32PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala > > wrote: > >>> Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client >

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 02:39, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:11:54 -0500 > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > I am planing to write something similar, but without the IMAP bit > (which should be trivial to implement in my setup)

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 05:04:31PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > Okay, let's get back on topic. So far I have five other people who are > interested in working on this documentation, I'm hoping to get a few > more writers than editors before we begin (So far I believe 4/5 people > who signed up

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Stephen. Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:43:32PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala > wrote: >> Michael Pobega, 06.02.2007 22:35: >>> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >>> Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client >>> to use for mailing li

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 06 Feb 2007, Freddy Freeloader wrote: > [snip] > I also sort of feel the same as some others have expressed on this > thread about Ubuntu leaving them cold. It does me too. I've tried it a > couple of times and I've always been left feeling that the OS was > "dumbed down". Sort of like

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 06 Feb 2007, Michael Pobega wrote: > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > >> > >>I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as "Reply > >>All", but I'll get out of that habit. Sorry about that. > >> > >> > >Most

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:11:54 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Do you mean that you have all of your mailboxes synced with one > > > another? I'd love to be able to do that with Mutt and Icedove if > > > possible. Any chance you have a URL to a walkthrough/HowTo on how > > > to

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 22:50, Michael Pobega wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> [...] >> >> > Hmm...Now all I need is a good (Free) host with IMAP. Any ideas? Free? Do it yourself. Register with dyndns.org and install courier-imap-ssl. http://www.fastmail.fm/ mig

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:05:21PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega wrote: > Stephen wrote: > >>> > >> Unless you forged that mail header. > >> > > > > LOL Trust me Ron, it's not forged. :-P > > > > I use Exim4 to send to SMARTHOST Google, and fetchmail/procmail to fetch > > and pro

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Ron Johnson wrote: > [...] > > Hmm...Now all I need is a good (Free) host with IMAP. Any ideas? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 22:30, Michael Pobega wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > Do you mean that you have all of your mailboxes synced with > one another? I'd love to be able to do that with Mutt and > Icedove if possible. Any chance you have a URL to a >>

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Ron Johnson wrote: > >>> Do you mean that you have all of your mailboxes synced with > >>> one another? I'd love to be able to do that with Mutt and > >>> Icedove if possible. Any chance you have a URL to a > >>> walkthrough/HowTo on how to do something like that? > >> No, no, no. > >> > >> ONE mai

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 22:11, Michael Pobega wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/06/07 21:54, Michael Pobega wrote: >>> Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/06/07 21:05, Michael Pobega wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or >

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/06/07 21:54, Michael Pobega wrote: > > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 02/06/07 21:05, Michael Pobega wrote: > >>> Stephen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron > >> Johnson wrote: > > On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: > >> On Tue,

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 21:54, Michael Pobega wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/06/07 21:05, Michael Pobega wrote: >>> Stephen wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron >> Johnson wrote: > On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: >>>

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/06/07 21:05, Michael Pobega wrote: > > Stephen wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron > Johnson wrote: > >>> On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael > Pobega wrote: > >

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:54:54PM +, Chris Lale wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 04:08:53PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > > > >>I agree with you, I'm not one of those people who are completely against > >>Ubuntu; I think just anything you can accomplish in U

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 21:05, Michael Pobega wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Dave Patterson
Michael Pobega wrote: > I don't mind not getting geek creds. > C'mon, Mutt's fun! Ciao, Dave signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Stephen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega >>> wrote: >>> >>

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega > > wrote: > >> John K Masters wrote: > > > >>> PS if yo

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:43:32PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: > Hello Michael. > > Michael Pobega, 06.02.2007 22:35: > > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client > > to use for mailing list *and* personal email on the

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega wrote: >> John K Masters wrote: > >>> PS if you have the time and patience try Mutt >>> >> As far as I know I've read that Mutt doesn't work

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega wrote: > John K Masters wrote: > >PS if you have the time and patience try Mutt > > > As far as I know I've read that Mutt doesn't work well with Gmail; And > seeing as my main/only e-mail account is gmail, I can't use Mutt

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Jason White
On 2007-02-06, Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As far as I know I've read that Mutt doesn't work well with Gmail; And > seeing as my main/only e-mail account is gmail, I can't use Mutt :-( You can use Fetchmail to retrieve all of your mail using POP3 or IMAP. Once it is delivered to y

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 01:13:07PM +, Wulfy wrote: > Chris Bannister wrote: > >For example, I prefer to set up my system the way I want to, I don't > >want a GUI whereas a newbie doesn't understand a computer without one. > >Already you have a conflict. > I don't think it's quite that simple.

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:41:00PM +, Steve Kemp wrote: > Real geeks know how to trim their mail, so they don't need to quote > long messages in their entirety for a one line reply. Lk 6-36 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [E

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-06 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 04:25, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:01:43 -0500 > > I do not understand your comment about debian wiki. Do you want me to > > put a link in the debian wiki or do you want me to put the whole > > contents there? > > The former would be nice, the later wou

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 06:17:15PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > > The reason for having a graphical installer is that there currently is no way > to support some languages with just an ncurses based installer. I believe > this is the main reason why we have a graphical installer and why i

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 06:18:27PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > Real geeks use mailx. > Pfft. *Real* geeks telnet to port 25 on the destination mail server and type the entire SMTP session manually :-) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http:

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Steve Kemp
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 06:18:27PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > Real geeks use mailx. Real geeks know how to trim their mail, so they don't need to quote long messages in their entirety for a one line reply. Steve -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:50:23PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:39:41 + > John K Masters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:35:22 -0500 > > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 14:43, Michael Pobega wrote: > I would hate to see a graphical installer for Debian. I think the curses > installer does just fine, a graphical installer would only bring in > people thinking that Debian is Windows. The reason for having a graphical installer is that th

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 03:06:11PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: > Etch has a GUI installer, really? I never noticed it. > Read those syslinux.cfg pages. you can get gui, the default curses, or even readline for use with really dumb terminals, like a teletype on serial. D

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 16:35, Michael Pobega wrote: > > Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client > to use for mailing list *and* personal email on the same account? (I > have Icedove/Thunderbird set to filter out all mail with > @lists.debian.org to my Debian mai

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Mathias Brodala wrote: > Hello Michael. > > Michael Pobega, 06.02.2007 22:35: > >> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: >>> I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as "Reply All", but I'll get out

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:39:41 + John K Masters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:35:22 -0500 > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> I always thou

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
John K Masters wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:35:22 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as "Reply All", but I'll g

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Michael. Michael Pobega, 06.02.2007 22:35: > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: >>> I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as "Reply >>> All", but I'll get out of that habit. Sorry about that. >>> >> Most decen

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:35:22PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client > to use for mailing list *and* personal email on the same account? (I > have Icedove/Thunderbird set to filter out all mail with > @lists.debian.org to my

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread John K Masters
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:35:22 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > >> > >> I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as > >> "Reply All", but I'll get out of that ha

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as "Reply All", but I'll get out of that habit. Sorry about that. Most decent mail programs have a "list reply" button or function that

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as "Reply > All", but I'll get out of that habit. Sorry about that. > Most decent mail programs have a "list reply" button or function that correctly identifies the mail

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:58:10 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out myself, I h

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:58:10 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 > > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out > >> myself, I haven't got the

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Chris Lale
Freddy Freeloader wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: [...] I've been reading the last 30 or so posts on this thread with some interest. Tried going to newbiedoc site but it never responded when I tried to connect. Berlios can be a little temperamental - i suspect server maintenance. "Try agai

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out myself, I haven't got the chance (I just used NetInstall's default curses installer). Just boot with 'installgui' or 'exp

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Chris Lale
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 04:08:53PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I agree with you, I'm not one of those people who are completely against Ubuntu; I think just anything you can accomplish in Ubuntu you can accomplish in Debian, and probably more effectively/easily.

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out > myself, I haven't got the chance (I just used NetInstall's default > curses installer). Just boot with 'installgui' or 'expertgui'. I've had bad exper

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 03:06:11PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > My mail was mostly directed at LiveCD installers though, not graphical > installers in general (Sorry if I didn't specify this). Where is the > graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out myself, I haven't > got the cha

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread John K Masters
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:20:15 -0600 Dustin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > Debian is a rock solid operating system that is best used for > servers, or by experienced users that know how to shape it into a > flexible desktop. > > I personally think this is an excellent image to have. The

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Dustin
Kevin Kempter wrote: Hi; I'm just now looking into installing debian on my laptop to test it out. I'm not a newbie to Linux - I've run Redhat, Fedora, Mandrake and SuSE over the past several years. However I am a newbie per debian and/or debian based distros. I would be interested in adding

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:43:58 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Could the installer be made easier for someone who is not very curious? I suppose so but I would absolutely hate seeing Debian go the way of Ubuntu. I'd probably move to Slackware, a *BSD, o

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:43:58 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Could the installer be made easier for someone who is not very > > curious? I suppose so but I would absolutely hate seeing Debian go > > the way of Ubuntu. I'd probably move to Slackware, a *BSD, or > > Gentoo if

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Freddy Freeloader wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: Referring to it as Sid seems like a good idea to me, but really no matter what it will be referred to as Unstable by the community; Which will probably just scare users away. The way I see it, is that the Debian mainsite shows that 3.1 Stable (Cur

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-06 Thread Wulfy
Glenn Becker wrote: To some of us, GUI tools are more intuitive than the opaque, cryptic command line tools. I appreciate your point(s) but to others of us the CLI is neither opaque nor cryptic. Choices is what it's all about - for me. G Which was the point of the bit you snipped... not

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:40:25 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:33:13PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:42:03 -0800 > > Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:52:37AM +0200, Andre

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Freddy Freeloader
Michael Pobega wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 02:07:39PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: The one thing I really don't understand, though, is why people use Ubuntu. bleh. responsing anyway... I return to the example of my mom. Many people don't want to "update"

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Dustin
Kevin Kempter wrote: Hi; I'm just now looking into installing debian on my laptop to test it out. I'm not a newbie to Linux - I've run Redhat, Fedora, Mandrake and SuSE over the past several years. However I am a newbie per debian and/or debian based distros. I would be interested in adding

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:33:13PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:42:03 -0800 > Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:52:37AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:15:41 -0800 > > > Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL P

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