Re: Wrapping lines, was Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-15 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 01:23:36PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:10:01PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Sat 14 Jul 2018 at 19:50:03 (+1000), Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 05:59:58PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > > > > ZFS is killer technolo

Re: Wrapping lines, was Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-14 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:10:01PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 14 Jul 2018 at 19:50:03 (+1000), Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 05:59:58PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > > > On 07/13/18 16:36, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 07:53:01PM -0700, Dav

Wrapping lines, was Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-14 Thread David Wright
On Sat 14 Jul 2018 at 19:50:03 (+1000), Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 05:59:58PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > > On 07/13/18 16:36, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 07:53:01PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > > > > While a brutal analogy, it makes a point

Re: version control systems [was BTRFS and debian]

2018-07-14 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 08:15:01PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > After a couple of years I was so blown away by how much [git] had > made my experience as a software engineer better Ack. After CVS, I first learned bk and then TLA around 2003. bk left me pining, and when they shut down acces

Re: version control systems [was BTRFS and debian]

2018-07-14 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:46:23PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 07/14/18 02:37, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > I've completely replaced CVS with git these days - for all my > > hacking of course, as well as parts of home/ - and I finally figured > > out how to have a inter-system (or -drive) "g

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-14 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 14/07/2018 à 21:29, David Christensen a écrit : On 07/14/18 02:04, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Yet another reason to not use logical partitions and prefer GPT if you need more than 4 partitions. GPT is nice; I use it when I want a 2+ TB partition (such as my backup/ archive/ image drives).  Bu

ZFS [was BTRFS and debian]

2018-07-14 Thread David Christensen
On 07/14/18 02:50, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 05:59:58PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: >> ZFS is killer technology. zfs-fuse is sawed off. ZOL rocks, but the license keeps it out of Debian. We'll see if >> and when btrfs catches up. > > (Do you know why your mail clien

version control systems [was BTRFS and debian]

2018-07-14 Thread David Christensen
On 07/14/18 02:37, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > I've completely replaced CVS with git these days - for all my > hacking of course, as well as parts of home/ - and I finally figured > out how to have a inter-system (or -drive) "git update" work > "properly" by which I mean: ... > This took me a few att

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-14 Thread David Christensen
On 07/14/18 02:04, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 14/07/2018 à 02:49, David Christensen a écrit : # file -s /dev/sda1 /dev/sda1: BTRFS Filesystem label "po_boot", sectorsize 4096, nodesize 16384, leafsize 16384, UUID=6ff0dd1d-8d46-454b-bb35-a09afc47145a, 65490944/999292928 bytes used, 1 devices 2

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-14 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 01:19:39PM +0300, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 07:50:03PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > Can someone explain if there's an -actual- non-free dependency that > > these packages have, or if it is just the somewhat-incompatibility > > between ZFS CDDL

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-14 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 07:50:03PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Can someone explain if there's an -actual- non-free dependency that > these packages have, or if it is just the somewhat-incompatibility > between ZFS CDDL and Linux GPL? Unless they manage to pull in some Oracle code

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-14 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 05:59:58PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 07/13/18 16:36, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 07:53:01PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > > > While a brutal analogy, it makes a point that can be applied to all > > > computers -- devise strategies, inves

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-14 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 07:53:01PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 07/12/18 10:52, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 09 Jul 2018 at 20:33:00 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: > > > On 07/09/18 11:17, Ge wrote: > > > > Should i make a different partition for /home/ ? > > > > > > I don't -- I put

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-14 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 14/07/2018 à 02:49, David Christensen a écrit : # file -s /dev/sda1 /dev/sda1: BTRFS Filesystem label "po_boot", sectorsize 4096, nodesize 16384, leafsize 16384, UUID=6ff0dd1d-8d46-454b-bb35-a09afc47145a, 65490944/999292928 bytes used, 1 devices 2018-07-13 17:39:51 root@po ~ # file -s /dev

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-13 Thread David Christensen
On 07/13/18 02:55, Dan Ritter wrote: The tools that enable cattle can allow you to heal or resurrect a pet, but at a higher upfront cost. +1 David

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-13 Thread David Christensen
On 07/13/18 16:36, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 07:53:01PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: While a brutal analogy, it makes a point that can be applied to all computers -- devise strategies, invest in resources, and implement procedures that facilitate system roll-out, migratio

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-13 Thread David Christensen
On 07/13/18 15:36, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 13/07/2018 à 03:13, David Christensen a écrit : file(1) -- no: 2018-07-12 17:55:01 root@po ~ # file /dev/sda1 /dev/sda1: block special (8/1) You must add the option -s so that file looks into the special device file contents. 2018-07-13 17:39:48

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-13 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 07:53:01PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > While a brutal analogy, it makes a point that can be applied to all > computers -- devise strategies, invest in resources, and implement > procedures that facilitate system roll-out, migration, and disaster > recovery. This is a

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-13 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 06:13:36PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > 2018-07-12 17:55:28 root@po ~ > # file /dev/sda3 > /dev/sda3: block special (8/3) > > wipefs(8) -- not today (!). Oh come on! We're s'posed to take one for the team yo! ;)

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-13 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 13/07/2018 à 03:13, David Christensen a écrit : file(1) -- no: 2018-07-12 17:55:01 root@po ~ # file /dev/sda1 /dev/sda1: block special (8/1) You must add the option -s so that file looks into the special device file contents. wipefs(8) -- not today (!). Don't worry, despite its dreadf

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-13 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 05:55:48AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 07:53:01PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > > > > [Evi Nemeth, et al on cloud servers] when pets are > > sick, you expend resources trying to heal them; when cattle

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-13 Thread Dan Ritter
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 07:53:01PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > > I have been reading Evi Nemeth, et al, 2018, "Unix and Linux System > Administration Handbook", 5 e.. The authors make the point that cloud > servers should be treated like cattle, not like pets -- e.g. when pets are > sick, y

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-12 Thread David Christensen
On 07/12/18 10:52, David Wright wrote: On Mon 09 Jul 2018 at 20:33:00 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: On 07/09/18 11:17, Ge wrote: 1. Whats the appropriate layout? My current layout is: LVM VG Laptop-vg LV root 16.9GB Linux device mapper (linear) #1 16.9GB f btrfs / I use 16

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-12 Thread David Christensen
On 07/11/18 22:40, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 12/07/2018 à 05:01, David Christensen a écrit : On 07/11/18 11:29, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 10/07/2018 à 05:33, David Christensen a écrit :   In the Debian Installer, I choose 'manual' for 'partitioning method', create a new partition table (MBR)

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-12 Thread David Wright
On Mon 09 Jul 2018 at 20:33:00 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: > On 07/09/18 11:17, Ge wrote: > >1. Whats the appropriate layout? > >My current layout is: > > > >LVM VG Laptop-vg LV root 16.9GB Linux device mapper (linear) > >#1 16.9GB f btrfs / > > I use 16 GiB SSD's and/or 16 GiB US

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-11 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 12/07/2018 à 05:01, David Christensen a écrit : On 07/11/18 11:29, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 10/07/2018 à 05:33, David Christensen a écrit :   In the Debian Installer, I choose 'manual' for 'partitioning method', create a new partition table (MBR), and create three primary partitions: 1

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-11 Thread David Christensen
On 07/11/18 11:29, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 10/07/2018 à 05:33, David Christensen a écrit :   In the Debian Installer, I choose 'manual' for 'partitioning method', create a new partition table (MBR), and create three primary partitions: 1   ~1 GiB btrfs mounted at /boot 2   ~2 GiB LUKS (ra

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-11 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 10/07/2018 à 05:33, David Christensen a écrit :  In the Debian Installer, I choose 'manual' for 'partitioning method', create a new partition table (MBR), and create three primary partitions: 1   ~1 GiB btrfs mounted at /boot 2   ~2 GiB LUKS (random key) with swap How do you do that ? A

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-09 Thread David Christensen
On 07/09/18 11:17, Ge wrote: Hi there! I am new here. Welcome! :-) I am trying to install debian on a VM to test it before i install it on my laptop. What hardware? What host OS? What hypervisor? Since its a laptop i would like to encrypt the hard drive. Disk encryption is a discus

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-09 Thread Matthew Crews
On 7/9/18 12:58 PM, Ulf Volmer wrote: > On 09.07.2018 21:32, Matthew Crews wrote: >> On 7/9/18 11:17 AM, Ge wrote: >>> Should i make a different partition for /home/ ? >> >> I would, especially if you intend on using BTRFS snapshot feature. Last >> thing you want to do is accidentally roll back a c

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-09 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 09.07.2018 22:52, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 09/07/2018 à 21:58, Ulf Volmer a écrit : >> why not using a subvolume for /home? i see that concept in OpenSuse for >> example to exclude /var from snapper. > > openSUSE uses XFS for /home, not a btrfs subvolume. Yes. i assume that's caused by the

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-09 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 09/07/2018 à 21:58, Ulf Volmer a écrit : On 09.07.2018 21:32, Matthew Crews wrote: On 7/9/18 11:17 AM, Ge wrote: Should i make a different partition for /home/ ? I would, especially if you intend on using BTRFS snapshot feature. Last thing you want to do is accidentally roll back a critica

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-09 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 09.07.2018 21:32, Matthew Crews wrote: > On 7/9/18 11:17 AM, Ge wrote: >> Should i make a different partition for /home/ ? > > I would, especially if you intend on using BTRFS snapshot feature. Last > thing you want to do is accidentally roll back a critical document. why not using a subvolume

Re: BTRFS and debian

2018-07-09 Thread Matthew Crews
On 7/9/18 11:17 AM, Ge wrote: > Should i make a different partition for /home/ ? I would, especially if you intend on using BTRFS snapshot feature. Last thing you want to do is accidentally roll back a critical document. > > 2.I will obviously make the / partition btrfs. Do i have to use btrfs >

BTRFS and debian

2018-07-09 Thread Ge
Hi there! I am new here. I am trying to install debian on a VM to test it before i install it on my laptop. Since its a laptop i would like to encrypt the hard drive. I would also like to be able to return my whole system to a previous state or just my home directory. I would like to ask 1. What