Re: An experiment in backup

On 2015-01-20, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > > It's no surprise to me that changing this makes no difference -- after all, > it never gets as far as asking me to log into that account. > What about .Xauthority and .ICEauthority? Have you tried deleting them? -- “There’s no money in poetry, but then t

Re: An experiment in backup

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 5:51 AM, Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Kevin O'Gorman > wrote: > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Kevin O'Gorman > wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Tom H wrote: > >> > >> Have you looked at t

Re: An experiment in backup

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Tom H wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Tom H wrote: >> >> Have you looked at the logs? Especially Xorg.0.log and xsessions-errors. > > Xorg lo

Re: An experiment in backup

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Kevin O'Gorman > wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Tom H wrote: > > > [snipped. I have xfce4 and lightdm] > > >> Have you looked at the logs? Especially Xorg.0.log and xsessions-errors. > > > > Xorg lo

Re: An experiment in backup

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Tom H wrote: >> Are you using a DM? > > A what? Xubuntu uses xfce4 if that answers the question. DM = display manager On Ubuntu, lightdm is the default DM. >> Are you using a WM or a DE? > > A what?

Re: An experiment in backup

On Saturday 17 January 2015 13:38:10 Kevin O'Gorman did opine And Gene did reply: > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Curt wrote: > > On 2015-01-17, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > > >> startx > > >> > > >> > > >> I did > > > > > > sudo startx > > > > I haven't been following your thread, but it is hi

Re: An experiment in backup

On 01/17/2015 09:29 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > Did you have to re-create any of the excluded directories before it would > boot properly? > > This looks a lot like what I do already, but is not working for me. I'll > check the details. > Kevin, you sent this directly to me, not the list. I ha

Re: An experiment in backup

On Saturday 17 January 2015 03:28:34 Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Tom H wrote: > > Are you using a DM? Display Manager. The GUI login interface. Where you enter your user name and password to login. Also where you choose the WM or DE to use on taht occasion, but y

Re: An experiment in backup

"Kevin O'Gorman" writes: > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Curt wrote: (snip) >> I haven't been following your thread, but it is highly unrecommended >> to be root when you startx. >> >> > > I'm trying to learn here, so it w

Re: An experiment in backup

On 01/17/2015 01:38 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Curt mailto:cu...@free.fr>> wrote: On 2015-01-17, Kevin O'Gorman mailto:kogor...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> startx >> >> >> I did > sudo startx I haven't been following your thread, but

Re: An experiment in backup

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Curt wrote: > On 2015-01-17, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > >> > >> startx > >> > >> > >> I did > > sudo startx > > I haven't been following your thread, but it is highly unrecommended > to be root when you startx. > >

Re: An experiment in backup

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 08:08:27AM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Curt wrote: > > > > > On 2015-01-17, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > > > > > > > >> Can you launch X after logging in to the console? > > > >> > > > >

Re: An experiment in backup

On 2015-01-17, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: >> >> startx >> >> >> I did > sudo startx I haven't been following your thread, but it is highly unrecommended to be root when you startx. -- “There’s no money in poetry, but then there’s no poetry in money, either.” —Robert Graves -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, emai

Re: An experiment in backup

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 08:08:27AM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Curt wrote: > > > > > On 2015-01-17, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > > > > > > > >> Can you launch X after logging in to the console? > > > >> > > > >

Re: An experiment in backup

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Curt wrote: > On 2015-01-17, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > > > >> Can you launch X after logging in to the console? > >> > > > > I don't know how. > > > > startx > > > I did sudo startx Hmmm. This should be telling me something, but I don't know exactly what. It does

Re: An experiment in backup

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 07:50:33PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > I've not tried other solutions. I worry that the ones folks seem to like > most do more > than I need or want in terms of management. I want my stuff where I can > see it, so > to speak, and where I can use the ancient tools (tar,

Re: An experiment in backup

On 2015-01-17, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > >> Can you launch X after logging in to the console? >> > > I don't know how. > startx ? -- “There’s no money in poetry, but then there’s no poetry in money, either.” —Robert Graves -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org wit

Re: An experiment in backup

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 08:47:01PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, David Christensen < > > > There are two basic kinds of "backups": > > > > > > 1. File system -- e.g. a copy of the files and directories on an

Re: An experiment in backup

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Tom H wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Kevin O'Gorman > wrote: > > > > I have a tar backup of the entire system, excluding /sys, /proc and /dev. > > I have a tar backup of a bind-mount of /dev. > > These were taken while the system was running, but quie

Re: An experiment in backup

On 01/16/2015 12:32 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:03 PM, David Christensen mailto:dpchr...@holgerdanske.com>> wrote: On 01/15/2015 08:47 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I was hoping for some details on why this won't work on system drives, or conditio

Re: An experiment in backup

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 08:47:01PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, David Christensen < > > There are two basic kinds of "backups": > > > > 1. File system -- e.g. a copy of the files and directories on an mounted > > and operating drive. > > > > 2. Raw binary image

Re: An experiment in backup

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 07:19:52PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > I'm trying to develop a reliable backup method that does not use > proprietary tools or formats, and is free as in beer. I thought I had it, > but i just tried a restore, and it's a miserable failure. I wonder if > anyone here can

Re: An experiment in backup

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > > I have a tar backup of the entire system, excluding /sys, /proc and /dev. > I have a tar backup of a bind-mount of /dev. > These were taken while the system was running, but quiet. I did it this > way because I cannot get the system to bo

Re: An experiment in backup

On 01/16/2015 01:28 AM, Joel Roth wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 09:32:24PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: >> I care because I like to have a lot of free space in my partitions, but I >> hate to use backup time and space on the holes. > > Hi Kevin, > > If you copy the whole partition, byte-for-

Re: An experiment in backup

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 07:19:52PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: >I'm trying to develop a reliable backup method that does not use >proprietary tools or formats, and is free as in beer.  I thought I had it, >but i just tried a restore, and it's a miserable failure.  I wonder if >anyo

Re: An experiment in backup

On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 19:19:52 Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > I'm trying to develop a reliable backup method that does not use > proprietary tools or formats, and is free as in beer. I thought I had it, > but i just tried a restore, and it's a miserable failure. I wonder if > anyone here can point out the

Re: An experiment in backup

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 09:32:24PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > I care because I like to have a lot of free space in my partitions, but I > hate to use backup time and space on the holes. Hi Kevin, If you copy the whole partition, byte-for-byte, as with the 'dd' command, you copy everything, in

Re: An experiment in backup

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:03 PM, David Christensen < dpchr...@holgerdanske.com> wrote: > On 01/15/2015 08:47 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > >> I was hoping for some details on why this won't work on system drives, or >> conditions under which it just might. Another user has suggested I read >> https

Re: An experiment in backup

On 01/15/2015 08:47 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I was hoping for some details on why this won't work on system drives, or conditions under which it just might. Another user has suggested I read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR which suggests that it actually should work. Th

Re: An experiment in backup

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, David Christensen < dpchr...@holgerdanske.com> wrote: > On 01/15/2015 07:19 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > >> I'm trying to develop a reliable backup method that does not use >> proprietary tools or formats, and is free as in beer. I thought I had it, >> but i just t

Re: An experiment in backup

On 01/15/2015 07:19 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I'm trying to develop a reliable backup method that does not use proprietary tools or formats, and is free as in beer. I thought I had it, but i just tried a restore, and it's a miserable failure. I wonder if anyone here can point out the error of m

An experiment in backup

I'm trying to develop a reliable backup method that does not use proprietary tools or formats, and is free as in beer. I thought I had it, but i just tried a restore, and it's a miserable failure. I wonder if anyone here can point out the error of my ways. I have a tar backup of the entire syste