Correction to "More on Alas and Alack'

2003-01-30 Thread alex
Sorry about sending the wrong URL in my previous 'More on Alas and Alack'. Rather than sending a new URL, I am sending a copy of Mr. Langa's response to what he says was a Firestorm of responses from Linux devotees.-alex -- (Quote

More on "Alas and Alack"

2003-01-30 Thread alex
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Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-29 Thread bob parker
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:04, Shyamal Prasad wrote: > "Bob" == Bob Paige <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Bob> I know through apt-get (or wajig) you can automatically > Bob> download and install the latest updates, but I would like to > Bob> see a system that automatically notifies yo

Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-29 Thread Jens Christian Gram
Bob Paige <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I'm a big Linux fan because of usability, extensibility, >> flexibility, and security issues. I believe that the different >> mechanisms available with GNU software, especially the Debian >> GNU/Linux way, lends itself well to dealing with these issues. B

Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread Gary Turner
Bob Paige wrote: >> I'm a big Linux fan because of usability, extensibility, flexibility, >> and security issues. I believe that the different mechanisms >> available with GNU software, especially the Debian GNU/Linux way, >> lends itself well to dealing with these issues. But not even Debian

Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread Shyamal Prasad
"Bob" == Bob Paige <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bob> I know through apt-get (or wajig) you can automatically Bob> download and install the latest updates, but I would like to Bob> see a system that automatically notifies you (via email?) Bob> when such an update results in new

oops (was Re: Alas and alack.)

2003-01-28 Thread Glenn English
> On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 12:26, Bob Paige wrote: > > I would like to see a system that > > automatically notifies you (via email?) when such an update results in > > new packages being installed. > > > > Ideas? > > How about a cron job that runs apt-get --upgrade --dry-run? That, if I read the

Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread Glenn English
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 12:26, Bob Paige wrote: > > I'm a big Linux fan because of usability, extensibility, flexibility, > > and security issues. I believe that the different mechanisms > > available with GNU software, especially the Debian GNU/Linux way, > > lends itself well to dealing with th

Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread nate
Scott Dier - dieman said: > Microsoft does, in its credit, allow people to hit the 'upgrade my box for > me forever' button for the non-paranoid. I think that may be a bit misleading. From what I read for example the SQL server 2000 service pack 2 was a very difficult upgrade requiring manual cop

Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread Bob Paige
I'm a big Linux fan because of usability, extensibility, flexibility, and security issues. I believe that the different mechanisms available with GNU software, especially the Debian GNU/Linux way, lends itself well to dealing with these issues. But not even Debian can deal with systems that a

Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread Richard Kimber
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:29:11 -0600 (CST) Scott Dier - dieman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > of distributions that shows how deticated many of the Linux > distributions are at distributing stable and secure fixes to users in a > timely fashion. Including users of 'testing' versions. -- Richard Kim

Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
| On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 10:58:21AM -0500, alex wrote: | > Has the Linux security bubble burst? | > | > http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20030124S0013/1 On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 08:35:16AM -0800, nate wrote: | as usual, this is very misleading. Uh-huh. | the article that the MS hotmail g

Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread Scott Dier - dieman
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Brian Masinick wrote: > others are not handled very well at all. I'd argue that the Debian > approach DOES make updates available about as well as it can be done > (with reliable, tested fixes, not just some quick, ugly hacks). Other So the real problem is not having Freely

Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread Brian Masinick
Scott Dier - dieman wrote: On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Brian Masinick wrote: take software maintenance seriously. Self managed systems can help some, but it still takes involvement from people, and that will always be the bottom line as far as I am concerned. The argument was that source code

Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread Brian Masinick
Scott Dier - dieman wrote: [you in this article refers to all administrators everywhere, not the original poster, please don't take it personally] On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, alex wrote: Has the Linux security bubble burst? Without reading the article, and at the risk of making myself look fo

Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread Scott Dier - dieman
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Brian Masinick wrote: > take software maintenance seriously. Self managed systems can help > some, but it still takes involvement from people, and that will always > be the bottom line as far as I am concerned. The argument was that source code patches aren't being distribut

Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread M.Balakrishna Pillai
alex wrote: Has the Linux security bubble burst? http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20030124S0013/1 hi all The comparison must be between operating system running similar applications. Is it possible to run 1. a web server 2. ftp server 3. database server 4.mailserver 5.boot server and

Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread Scott Dier - dieman
[you in this article refers to all administrators everywhere, not the original poster, please don't take it personally] On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, alex wrote: > Has the Linux security bubble burst? Without reading the article, and at the risk of making myself look foolish with crossposting to a gaggle

Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 10:58:21AM -0500, alex wrote: > Has the Linux security bubble burst? > > http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20030124S0013/1 I would say "no", for five reasons: 1) Langa suggests that part of the reason behind the current rise in Linux security flaws being found is b

Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread nate
alex said: > Has the Linux security bubble burst? > > http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20030124S0013/1 as usual, this is very misleading. Most linux distributions contain hundreds if not thousands of times more software available for them "out-of-the-box" then win32 does. Now if they sepera

Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread alex
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