Re: Re: Rescue mode when root account locked

On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 2:48 AM Larry Tyree wrote: > > What do I do with no access to another computer? I'm having trouble following your thread. The "Re: Re:" is throwing me off. Is this the original message you are replying to: ? Jeff

Re: Re: Rescue mode when root account locked

On Wed, Jan 03, 2024 at 08:44:16PM -0600, Larry Tyree wrote: > What do I do with no access to another computer? The original Subject: line says "Rescue mode when root account locked". Putting the Subject: and the body together, I conclude that the question is "How do I ente

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What do I do with no access to another computer?

Re: OT: Kmail/Akonadi insists on using Gmail account even on non-Gmail email account

Kent West wrote: > I don't *really* understand how Akonadi fits into Kmail/Yahoo, but, > meh; I don't use KDE or Kmail so I googled akonadi. The first hit is https://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi and it starts by saying: "The Akonadi framework is responsible for providing applications with a centrali

Re: OT: Kmail/Akonadi insists on using Gmail account even on non-Gmail email account

On 2023-06-26, Kent West wrote: > > I don't *really* understand how Akonadi fits into Kmail/Yahoo, but, meh; my > real question is: Does anyone here know if KMail *requires* a Gmail account > to access a non-Gmail email account (and if so, that seems really stupid)? > If not,

OT: Kmail/Akonadi insists on using Gmail account even on non-Gmail email account

tall, with only KDE Plasma and a few other pieces added in. I wanted to give KMail a spin (it never has worked well for me because of my GMail accounts authenticating through SSO stuff, which I've never been able to figure out), and to start off with I figured I'd limit it to just one non-GM

Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

Thatnk you. That looks useful. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

John Hasler writes: > Is there a way to Sync Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account? It's not 'sync' but I use the Add-On called 'Export Tabs URLs'. I like its ability to customize the link export format, in my case to Orgmode style. There are a number of 'tab

Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

Curt writes: > You can right-click on a tab and select bookmark all tabs, which can > later be accessed and opened from the bookmarks menu or the library > button Very useful. Thank you. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

You can right-click on a tab and select bookmark all tabs, which can later be accessed and opened from the bookmarks menu or the library button. - Curt

Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

John Hasler wrote: > Is there a way to Sync Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account? Yes, but it requires you to run a Mozilla Sync Server and a Mozilla Accounts Server. https://mozilla-services.readthedocs.io/en/latest/howtos/run-fxa.html -dsr-

Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

Celejar writes: > There's this one, although it apparently requires a Google account: > https://github.com/sienori/Tab-Session-Manager No chance of that. Gives me some keywords to search for, though. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:52:45 -0600 John Hasler wrote: > Alex writes: > > I think you may be looking for something like xBrowserSync > > https://github.com/xbrowsersync/app > > Thank you. This appears to only do bookmarks. There's this one, although it apparently

Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

Alex writes: > I think you may be looking for something like xBrowserSync > https://github.com/xbrowsersync/app Thank you. This appears to only do bookmarks. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:01:15 -0600 John Hasler wrote: > Is there a way to Sync Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account? I think you may be looking for something like xBrowserSync https://github.com/xbrowsersync/app -- Current PGP KeyID: 11ADE4393600C1BDFFCBC0A598DE15942B08CA00 ht

Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

Is there a way to Sync Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account? -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

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Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Thursday, June 09, 2022 02:13:31 AM mick crane wrote: > I finally had to set up an app password for mail to work. > During the process of discovering what to click on there was the > statement. > "Google will never use the content of your emails in order to select > what ads you are shown." > or

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On 2022-06-09 03:09, DdB wrote: The Big Tech companies are busy to de-anonymise the internet in order to augment their knowledge/income even more, and in order to do that, it would be very convenient, if every user was forced to authenticate themself undoubtedly. But let's not talk about that.

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

Am 09.06.2022 um 01:54 schrieb rhkra...@gmail.com: >> if we leave aside for a moment incriminations of corporate power and >> plots, is there some reason to connect the two methods? > No -- from a purely logical point of view (afaics) there is no reason to > connect them -- Google apparently has s

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Wednesday, June 08, 2022 05:58:44 PM Felmon Davis wrote: > I don't understand the *logical* connection. logically you can have > app-specific pw's without 2-step auth. (not sure about the other way > around.) Google requires 2-step authorization as a prerequisite to application specific passwo

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, Kamil Jońca wrote: rhkra...@gmail.com writes: On Wednesday, June 08, 2022 12:18:58 PM Curt wrote: On 2022-06-08, Felmon Davis wrote: that's the thing: I don't understand how the parts fit together; what is the connection between: (1) 2-step auth (2) app-specific pw Wi

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

rhkra...@gmail.com writes: > On Wednesday, June 08, 2022 12:18:58 PM Curt wrote: >> On 2022-06-08, Felmon Davis wrote: >> > that's the thing: I don't understand how the parts fit together; what >> > is the connection between: >> > >> > (1) 2-step auth >> > (2) app-specific pw >> >> Without (1)

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On 2022-06-08, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, June 08, 2022 12:18:58 PM Curt wrote: >> On 2022-06-08, Felmon Davis wrote: >> > that's the thing: I don't understand how the parts fit together; what >> > is the connection between: >> > >> > (1) 2-step auth >> > (2) app-specific pw >> >

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Wednesday, June 08, 2022 12:18:58 PM Curt wrote: > On 2022-06-08, Felmon Davis wrote: > > that's the thing: I don't understand how the parts fit together; what > > is the connection between: > > > > (1) 2-step auth > > (2) app-specific pw > > Without (1) turned on, you cannot create (2). But

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On 2022-06-08, Felmon Davis wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > >> On Tuesday, June 07, 2022 09:38:42 PM Felmon Davis wrote: >>> be it a/b testing or b/s testing, the change seems to have gone into >>> effect and I can only use Alpine by acquiring an "app-password". >>> >>> I'

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, June 07, 2022 09:38:42 PM Felmon Davis wrote: be it a/b testing or b/s testing, the change seems to have gone into effect and I can only use Alpine by acquiring an "app-password". I'm wondering if I can turn off 2-step authentification

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Tuesday, June 07, 2022 09:38:42 PM Felmon Davis wrote: > be it a/b testing or b/s testing, the change seems to have gone into > effect and I can only use Alpine by acquiring an "app-password". > > I'm wondering if I can turn off 2-step authentification now. I'm curious about the same thing --

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Wed, Jun 08, 2022 at 03:38:42AM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 07:21:57PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote: > > > On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > I misspoke or miswrote: I have Alpine running

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 07:21:57PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] I misspoke or miswrote: I have Alpine running but *without* the app-specific setting. They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 20:08:37 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Please don't feed the troll. No worry John, I have the tools prepared. Most secure laptop in the world. The writer of my BIOS is a coreboot forker. He soldered the CMOS by hand. Capitalists can't even break in my BIOS to stop me. They ca

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Saturday, 4 June 2022 20:40:34 EDT Larry Martell wrote: > On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 4:17 PM sp...@caiway.net wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The reason: > > > > I am promoting a free volunteer-run run society. > > > > This mailing list as example for how I learned. Thanks! > > > > Things go faster and

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

https://www.kaiostech.com/developers/ let firefox win the browserwar help the third world before they get captured by american capitalism we have the tools Arne On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 19:50:02 -0500 Larry Martell wrote: > On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 7:44 PM sp...@caiway.net wrote: > > > > NO! > > >

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

Please don't feed the troll. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 7:44 PM sp...@caiway.net wrote: > > NO! > > Some people like to work for a boss and follow orders from imbiciles. You sound like an imbecile to me. > On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 19:40:34 -0500 > Larry Martell wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 4:17 PM sp...@caiway.net wrote: >

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

NO! Some people like to work for a boss and follow orders from imbiciles. Arne On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 19:40:34 -0500 Larry Martell wrote: > On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 4:17 PM sp...@caiway.net wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > The reason: > > > > I am promoting a free volunteer-run run society. > > > > This

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 4:17 PM sp...@caiway.net wrote: > > Hi, > > The reason: > > I am promoting a free volunteer-run run society. > > This mailing list as example for how I learned. Thanks! > > Things go faster and better. > > > All those commercial ones only have one goal: make more profit. > >

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 17:07:32 -0400 Edwin Zimmerman wrote: > > > There will be always volunteers for learning/perfectioning a mailserver. > > > > Donations for the best mailserver in the world for example. > As a sysadmin of a mailserver, I can tell you this would never be able to > compete on up

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

Hi, The reason: I am promoting a free volunteer-run run society. This mailing list as example for how I learned. Thanks! Things go faster and better. All those commercial ones only have one goal: make more profit. Led by stupid managers with only $ $ eyes giving orders to developers. Thank

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

> There will be always volunteers for learning/perfectioning a mailserver. > > Donations for the best mailserver in the world for example. As a sysadmin of a mailserver, I can tell you this would never be able to compete on uptime, security, and features of gmail.

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 10:02:05PM +0200, sp...@caiway.net wrote: > Hi, > > My first mail provider (in Oslo) promised free mailadress for life. > > Then it was sold to a kapitalist and they started to ask money. > > I do not like that. > > I know it is possible to run a free host. > > By volun

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On 6/4/22 4:02 PM, sp...@caiway.net wrote: Hi, My first mail provider (in Oslo) promised free mailadress for life. Then it was sold to a kapitalist and they started to ask money. I do not like that. I know it is possible to run a free host. By volunteers running the server for example. Why

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 15:34:19 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > sp...@caiway.net writes: > > I know it is possible to run a free host. > > By volunteers running the server for example. > > There are expenses. Who pays them? There will be always volunteers for learning/perfectioning a mailserver. Don

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

sp...@caiway.net writes: > I know it is possible to run a free host. > By volunteers running the server for example. There are expenses. Who pays them? -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

Hi, My first mail provider (in Oslo) promised free mailadress for life. Then it was sold to a kapitalist and they started to ask money. I do not like that. I know it is possible to run a free host. By volunteers running the server for example. Arne On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 14:00:27 -0500 John

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On 06/04/2022 01:50 PM, sp...@caiway.net wrote: *SNIP* So I am also in the search for a good free provider. FREE COSTS *TOO MUCH* If you think Google et al are charities I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn.

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

Arne writes: > So I am also in the search for a good free provider. Why does it need to be free? -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

Hi, IMO I would search for another mail account. I use google mail only for sites where i expect SPAM. Last time I checked google mail is some 3 years ago. So I tried my provider's mail account. There it is not possible to send to protonmail. It has also no working web interface. So

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 07:21:57PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > I misspoke or miswrote: I have Alpine running but *without* the app-specific > setting. > > > They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the sinking ship. > > > > I'm glad to hav

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 04:39:39PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote: [...] > the furniture, Gentlemen, mind the furniture! That one's good :-) Thanks for a hearty laugh! Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 03:45:00PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote: I do think Google et al. sometimes make pronouncements and then don't get off their ass ('arse' if you prefer) - that how committees work with (or against) other committees. I think th

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 02:24:16PM -, Curt wrote: On 2022-06-04, wrote: Bullshit. Famous last word. I've already determined that your principles go no deeper than your dime-a-dozen opinions. This might be due to your short-sightedn

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 02:24:16PM -, Curt wrote: > On 2022-06-04, wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Bullshit. > > > > Famous last word. > > > > I've already determined that your principles go no deeper than your > dime-a-dozen opinions. This might be due to your short-sightedness. Or not. Cheers

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On 2022-06-04, wrote: > >> > >> Bullshit. > > Famous last word. > I've already determined that your principles go no deeper than your dime-a-dozen opinions.

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On 2022-06-04, Brad Rogers wrote: > >>Bullshit. >> > Well! > > What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloquently > put explanation. > > I'm convinced. > That's what's missing from *your* affirmation and the very reason it is pure bullshit.

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 03:45:00PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, Brad Rogers wrote: > > > On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:50:55 - (UTC) > > Curt wrote: > > > > Hello Curt, > > > > > Bullshit. > > > > > Well! > > > > What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloqu

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:50:55 - (UTC) Curt wrote: Hello Curt, Bullshit. Well! What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloquently put explanation. I'm convinced. not his usual stylistic savoir-faire but who cares? we'll soon

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:50:55 - (UTC) Curt wrote: Hello Curt, >Bullshit. > Well! What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloquently put explanation. I'm convinced. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent" / _)rad "

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 11:50:55AM -, Curt wrote: > On 2022-06-02, Brad Rogers wrote: > > > > Expect access from anything other than google's own web interface to go > > away at some point in the future. > > > > Bullshit. Famous last word. -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On 2022-06-02, Brad Rogers wrote: > > Expect access from anything other than google's own web interface to go > away at some point in the future. > Bullshit.

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Thursday, June 02, 2022 01:59:45 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > I then entered that in place of the old passwords in kmail. (I don't think > it stated it -- I wasn't sure whether to enter the spaces as part of the > password or not -- I did, and that worked.) An update -- that was on an old (t

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 20:33:54 +0200 (CEST) Felmon Davis wrote: Hello Felmon, >guess Google's still trying to figure out which 3rd-party clients they >dislike. All of them. Expect access from anything other than google's own web interface to go away at some point in the future. -- Regards _

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 13:59:45 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: My gmail (normally delivered by pop3 to my old version of kmail (on Wheezy) stopped working around 8:30 am this morning. I set up an application specific password this morning, and t

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 13:59:45 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, June 02, 2022 11:13:14 AM nemo wrote: > > Me too except today it doesn't seem to be working. must test but I > > think I've been shut out, using Alpine with non-secure apps > > switched on. fjd > > My gmail (normally deliv

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Thursday, June 02, 2022 11:13:14 AM nemo wrote: > Me too except today it doesn't seem to be working. must test but I think > I've been shut out, using Alpine with non-secure apps switched on. > fjd My gmail (normally delivered by pop3 to my old version of kmail (on Wheezy) stopped working arou

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 10:24 PM mick crane wrote: > On 2022-06-01 18:04, Brian wrote: > > On Thu 12 May 2022 at 10:08:01 -, Virgo Pärna wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 11 May 2022 20:09:14 +0200, Fero Dali > >> wrote: > >> > Sorry for misunderstandi

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On 2022-06-01 18:04, Brian wrote: On Thu 12 May 2022 at 10:08:01 -, Virgo Pärna wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2022 20:09:14 +0200, Fero Dali wrote: > Sorry for misunderstanding: it seems that my account will continue to work but > ability to download mail with POP3 without OAUTH2 w

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

> > > Sorry for misunderstanding: it seems that my account will > > > > continue to work but ability to download mail with POP3 without > > > > OAUTH2 will be unavailable. > > > > > > Actually, even without OAUTH2 it should be still possible. >

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On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 18:04:02 +0100 Brian wrote: > On Thu 12 May 2022 at 10:08:01 -, Virgo Pärna wrote: > > > On Wed, 11 May 2022 20:09:14 +0200, Fero Dali > > wrote: > > > Sorry for misunderstanding: it seems that my account will > > > continue to wo

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Thu 12 May 2022 at 10:08:01 -, Virgo Pärna wrote: > On Wed, 11 May 2022 20:09:14 +0200, Fero Dali wrote: > > Sorry for misunderstanding: it seems that my account will continue to work > > but > > ability to download mail with POP3 without OAUTH

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t; > > > > using > > > > > elsewhere. Much less so with a site you don't trust. > > > > > > > > As always, I'm very uncertain where your goal posts are placed or what > > > > tacit agenda you're following. No one has advoc

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

ys, I'm very uncertain where your goal posts are placed or what > > > tacit agenda you're following. No one has advocated the use of unique > > > passwords. > > > > > > In my plausible scenario, you're password entropy counts for nothing. > >

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, 14 May 2022 07:25:36 +0200 wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 03:05:11PM +1200, Ash Joubert wrote: > > On 14/05/2022 00:42, Michael Stone wrote: > > > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 07:16:11AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > A loong password is not "equivalent" to 2FA, that's right. Good >

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On Sat, 14 May 2022 15:05:11 +1200 Ash Joubert wrote: > On 14/05/2022 00:42, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 07:16:11AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> A loong password is not "equivalent" to 2FA, that's right. Good > >> password management (of which length is but a part) is

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On 2022-05-16, wrote: > Just in case, let me stated that I never implied that 2FA doesn't do > any good. It /is/ a mitigation indeed. But for me, the bang it brings > isn't worth the buck it costs. Simply that. > But you did imply it. To the question of data breaches and sites storing your pass

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

Excuse me, Fero Dali, how is your post/question relevant to this mailing list?

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 07:59:38AM -, Curt wrote: [...] > B. purports breaches are outside user control but then with alacrity > asserts that the user should guard against them. > > 2FA is a mitigating factor in this real-world case (and they are > *legion*). No rational argument has been p

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On 2022-05-16, David Wright wrote: >> >> Preventing data breaches are outside the scope of the user, providing >> a high entropy password is not. If accessing a site is of importance >> to him, then, in your plausible scenario, an eight character password >> effectively gives little security. >>

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d the use of unique > > passwords. > > > > In my plausible scenario, you're password entropy counts for nothing. > > Your password, unique or otherwise, has been compromised. 2FA would > > prevent illegal entry to your account in this case. The subject we're > &

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On Sun, May 15, 2022 at 07:58:25AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: [...] > So are we tolerating the vegetables, Tomas, but not too well. > Politicians and diapers need frequent changing, usually for the same > reason. I was rather thinking in terms "we vegetables are well tolerated" ;-) Cheers --

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On Sunday, 15 May 2022 00:36:41 EDT to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 08:27:46PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > [...] > > > The scene is Margaret Thatcher in a restaurant with her Cabinet. > > > > Waitor: What do you want, madam? > > Margaret: Lamb staeks. > > Waitor: What about t

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 08:27:46PM +0100, Brian wrote: [...] > The scene is Margaret Thatcher in a restaurant with her Cabinet. > > Waitor: What do you want, madam? > Margaret: Lamb staeks. > Waitor: What about the vegetables? > Margaret: They will have the same as me. :-) > Satire is

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On Saturday, 14 May 2022 14:43:08 EDT Brian wrote: > On Sat 14 May 2022 at 15:21:06 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 12:42:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: > [...] > > > > Let me introduce you to my bank: they reduced the maximum 20 chars > > > to 16 and did not allow some specia

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat 14 May 2022 at 20:51:14 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 07:43:08PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Sat 14 May 2022 at 15:21:06 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [FIVE blades!1!!] > > > I have just realised that PayPal does 5FA. It meets the Gillete > > standard. Or sh

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 07:43:08PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sat 14 May 2022 at 15:21:06 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [FIVE blades!1!!] > I have just realised that PayPal does 5FA. It meets the Gillete > standard. Or should that be the MAD standard? Our capacity to > put up with sysadmin (manage

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat 14 May 2022 at 15:21:06 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 12:42:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: [...] > > Let me introduce you to my bank: they reduced the maximum 20 chars > > to 16 and did not allow some special chars such as "!" and ".". > > Mind you, I feel much more s

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> > > To minimise stress, I let a tool generate my passwords (pwgen). > > > Important ones are 16 char (disk & backup encryption, bank account > > > key armor, etc.), less important ones (e.g. local login) just 8. > > > > Let me introduce you to my ban

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unique, random] > > > > That's it. The unique part can't be stressed enough: if your have > > umpteen services out there, it's a matter of time until one of > > those passwords leak (incompetent service provider, phishing, > > etc.). It better be different from

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;t trust. > > As always, I'm very uncertain where your goal posts are placed or what > tacit agenda you're following. No one has advocated the use of unique > passwords. > > In my plausible scenario, you're password entropy counts for nothing. > Your passw

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

ollowing. No one has advocated the use of unique passwords. In my plausible scenario, you're password entropy counts for nothing. Your password, unique or otherwise, has been compromised. 2FA would prevent illegal entry to your account in this case. The subject we're addressing here i

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On Sat 14 May 2022 at 08:58:37 -, Curt wrote: > On 2022-05-14, Ash Joubert wrote: > > On 13/05/2022 12:23, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > >> That's the value added in exchange for Ash's "massive pain in the arse". > >> Just making the 1st factor be > >> a loong password is not equivalent to 2FA i

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

r of time until one of > those passwords leak (incompetent service provider, phishing, > etc.). It better be different from your other passwords. > > To minimise stress, I let a tool generate my passwords (pwgen). > Important ones are 16 char (disk & backup encryption, bank accou

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 11:21:39AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 08:58:37AM -, Curt wrote: > > [...] > > > What about data breaches [...] > As stated elsewhere: unique passwords [...] Or, if I may put it in another terms: Recycle your trash. Never recycle your pas

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On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 08:58:37AM -, Curt wrote: [...] > What about data breaches, and sites keeping your password > in plain text (though it seems access to the cryptographically hashed > passcodes is already a pretty good leg up)? What good is our entropy then? As stated elsewhere: unique

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On 2022-05-14, Ash Joubert wrote: > On 13/05/2022 12:23, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: >> That's the value added in exchange for Ash's "massive pain in the arse". >> Just making the 1st factor be >> a loong password is not equivalent to 2FA in any way. Machine reaching back >> to you is the difference.

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 03:05:11PM +1200, Ash Joubert wrote: > On 14/05/2022 00:42, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 07:16:11AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > A loong password is not "equivalent" to 2FA, that's right. Good > > > password management (of which length is but a pa

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stress, I let a tool generate my passwords (pwgen). Important ones are 16 char (disk & backup encryption, bank account key armor, etc.), less important ones (e.g. local login) just 8. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On 14/05/2022 00:42, Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 07:16:11AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: A loong password is not "equivalent" to 2FA, that's right. Good password management (of which length is but a part) is as secure as 2FA. No, it really isn't. A good password will not p

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

On 13/05/2022 12:23, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: That's the value added in exchange for Ash's "massive pain in the arse". Just making the 1st factor be a loong password is not equivalent to 2FA in any way. Machine reaching back to you is the difference. There are attacks that 2FA can defeat, espec

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

r two > > factors. [...] > Your claim is a good example of "frighten the user into doing what we want". [Statements above are heavily trimmed and provide context only. They are independent and do not represent a conversation.] Speaking of "frighten the user into doing wh

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