Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-07-05 Thread Dan Ritter
Federico Kircheis wrote: > On 04/07/2025 5:32 pm, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 04 Jul 2025 at 07:04:32 (+0200), Federico Kircheis wrote: > > > Excluding two or three packages is much easier, and the suggested > > > approach of appending a - works perfectly if the package was not > > > installed.

Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-07-05 Thread Greg
On 2025-07-04, Federico Kircheis wrote: >> >> In which case, I think you should install the equivs package (it's >> in every suite) and use it to build your own packages called >> libreoffice, etc. > > But wouldn't it break if I want to install libreoffice at a later point? > You would uninstall

Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-07-04 Thread Federico Kircheis
On 04/07/2025 5:32 pm, David Wright wrote: On Fri 04 Jul 2025 at 07:04:32 (+0200), Federico Kircheis wrote: Excluding two or three packages is much easier, and the suggested approach of appending a - works perfectly if the package was not installed. In which case, I think you should install th

Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-07-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 04 Jul 2025 at 07:04:32 (+0200), Federico Kircheis wrote: > Excluding two or three packages is much easier, and the suggested > approach of appending a - works perfectly if the package was not > installed. In which case, I think you should install the equivs package (it's in every suite) an

Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-07-03 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jul 04, 2025 at 07:04:32AM +0200, Federico Kircheis wrote: [...] > Isn't a recommended package a dependency? That... depends :-) In the strict Debian sense, there is "depends": your package won't work if that dependency is not installed. "Recommends": your package might be missing some

Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-07-03 Thread Federico Kircheis
On 04/07/2025 5:56 am, David Wright wrote: On Thu 03 Jul 2025 at 18:15:42 (+0200), Federico Kircheis wrote: On 03/07/2025 5:28 pm, Dan Ritter wrote: Federico Kircheis wrote: And this also holds for metapackages like lxqt. It still installs a lot of things, so down to lxqt-core. It still instal

Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-07-03 Thread David Wright
On Thu 03 Jul 2025 at 18:15:42 (+0200), Federico Kircheis wrote: > On 03/07/2025 5:28 pm, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Federico Kircheis wrote: > > > And this also holds for metapackages like lxqt. > > > It still installs a lot of things, so down to lxqt-core. > > > It still installs some things I've noti

Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-07-03 Thread Max Nikulin
On 03/07/2025 21:35, Federico Kircheis wrote: The only issue I have with tasksel, is that sometimes I wish a more minimal environment. [...] And often I do not know which one I'm interested one, but I know those I do not want. Have you considered pinning with negative priority in apt preferen

Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-07-03 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Jul 03, 2025 at 18:15:42 +0200, Federico Kircheis wrote: > Oh; i was not aware of that, is it specific for apt? > man apt does not seem to mention it. > I'll try it out. Mine says: install, reinstall, remove, purge (apt-get(8)) Performs the requested action on one or mor

Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-07-03 Thread Federico Kircheis
On 03/07/2025 5:28 pm, Dan Ritter wrote: Federico Kircheis wrote: On 30/06/2025 7:11 pm, Michael Paoli wrote: And this also holds for metapackages like lxqt. It still installs a lot of things, so down to lxqt-core. It still installs some things I've noticed and to not want, so I need to inspect

Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-07-03 Thread Greg
On 2025-07-03, Federico Kircheis wrote: > > I hoped it would have been possible to exlucde dependencies, for examle > by prefixing them with "-"; for example: > > apt install lxqt -meteo-qt > I'm only aware of '--no-install-recommends' as far as apt goes. In aptitude, you can press n or : and m

Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-07-03 Thread Dan Ritter
Federico Kircheis wrote: > On 30/06/2025 7:11 pm, Michael Paoli wrote: > And this also holds for metapackages like lxqt. > It still installs a lot of things, so down to lxqt-core. > It still installs some things I've noticed and to not want, so I need to > inspect which packages are installed, tra

Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-07-03 Thread Federico Kircheis
On 30/06/2025 7:11 pm, Michael Paoli wrote: The only issue I have with tasksel, is that sometimes I wish a more minimal environment. Then don't use tasksel to install package(s). Yes, this is what I am doing, but then I need to manually track all packages installed by tasksel, and list all t

Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-06-30 Thread Michael Paoli
> The only issue I have with tasksel, is that sometimes I wish a more > minimal environment. Then don't use tasksel to install package(s). One can, however, use tasksel to list its tasks, and from those, the corresponding package(s), and in turn, from those, the dependencies and recommends thereo

Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-06-30 Thread Greg
On 2025-06-29, Federico Kircheis wrote: > At the end of the day, I want to avoid a small subset or programs that > should not affect the functionality of the desktop (KDE should not stop > working if firefox is the default browser intsead of konqueror) and that > take a lot of space (I think l

Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-06-30 Thread Richard Owlett
On 6/30/25 8:46 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Federico Kircheis wrote: I could not use tasksel and install only what I want, but then I have to learn/verify all programs that are required for a functional environment. Don't use a tasksel desktop. Install one of these metapackages for KDE: kde-full

Re: A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-06-30 Thread Dan Ritter
Federico Kircheis wrote: > I could not use tasksel and install only what I want, but then I have to > learn/verify all programs that are required for a functional environment. > Don't use a tasksel desktop. Install one of these metapackages for KDE: kde-full/stable 5:142 amd64 complete KDE S

A more minimal task-*-desktop

2025-06-29 Thread Federico Kircheis
Hello, I normally install a desktop environment with tasksel, as it installs at configures most programs that are to be expected in a user-friendly desktop environment: * login manager * power management * network manager and so on and so on. I do not know most programs that are needed in