Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-20 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Richard, On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 07:41:56AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > As I had said in last paragraph of > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00609.html : > "Why would I be interested in ssh as both machines are sitting on my > desk and _neither_ will be connected to the inter

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-20 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/19/2016 7:42 PM, Mike McClain wrote: Don't know if this will help but... It will. Perhaps not in the way you would expect. Early in this thread I asked "What questions should I be asking?" Your post provides guidelines to creating for myself those questions. I hope that makes sense.

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Mike McClain
Don't know if this will help but... I have a 2 box network, Wheezy and Win2K, cable connected and able to access directories on the Win2K box from Debian. Never needed to go the other way. The Linux box is named playground, the Win2K box South40. There is a router between them but it's not necessar

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Brian
On Fri 19 Aug 2016 at 12:32:54 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/19/2016 9:56 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >On Friday 19 August 2016 14:59:12 Richard Owlett wrote: > >>On 8/19/2016 8:51 AM, Brian wrote: > >>>On Fri 19 Aug 2016 at 07:41:56 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/18/2016 9:04 AM, Brian

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/19/2016 10:46 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Richard, On 8/19/16 10:08 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: NO I physically have two other machines on my desk which could serve nicely to connect to the internet. Connecting either of ->them to<- missing words the T43 or R61 has NEVER been considered ;

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/19/2016 9:42 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: [snip] So one of Richard's two has to be connected., AT LEAST FOR SOME OF THE TIME. ;-) Lisi NO I physically have two other machines on my desk which I could serve nicely to connect to the internet. Connecting either of the T43 or R61 ha NEVER been c

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread David Wright
er use secure protocols inside your > >network. You never know what your network printer is doing, there > >beneath the desk. > > > >[1] <https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/40397.html> > >[2] > ><https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/08/18/2231244/smart-electrical-s

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/19/2016 9:56 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 19 August 2016 14:59:12 Richard Owlett wrote: On 8/19/2016 8:51 AM, Brian wrote: On Fri 19 Aug 2016 at 07:41:56 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 8/18/2016 9:04 AM, Brian wrote: On Thu 18 Aug 2016 at 08:58:23 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 8/1

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Joe
On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 06:53:22 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/17/2016 6:13 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Wednesday 17 August 2016 22:14:24 Richard Owlett wrote: > >> Why would I be interested in ssh as both machines are sitting on > >> my desk and _neither_ will be connected to the internet wh

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
Richard, On 8/19/16 10:08 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: NO I physically have two other machines on my desk which I could serve nicely to connect to the internet. Connecting either of the T43 or R61 ha NEVER been considered ;) Perhaps a stupid question, but you describe "The Debian machine

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 19 August 2016 14:59:12 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/19/2016 8:51 AM, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 19 Aug 2016 at 07:41:56 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> On 8/18/2016 9:04 AM, Brian wrote: > >>> On Thu 18 Aug 2016 at 08:58:23 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David C

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 19 August 2016 15:08:03 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/19/2016 8:54 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Friday 19 August 2016 13:55:39 Richard Owlett wrote: > >> On 8/18/2016 4:13 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >>> On Thursday 18 August 2016 20:46:14 Charlie Kravetz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED ME

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/19/2016 8:54 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 19 August 2016 13:55:39 Richard Owlett wrote: On 8/18/2016 4:13 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 18 August 2016 20:46:14 Charlie Kravetz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:50:23 -0700 David Christen

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 19 August 2016 13:55:39 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/18/2016 4:13 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Thursday 18 August 2016 20:46:14 Charlie Kravetz wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> Hash: SHA256 > >> > >> On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:50:23 -0700 > >> > >> David Christensen wrote:

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/19/2016 8:51 AM, Brian wrote: On Fri 19 Aug 2016 at 07:41:56 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 8/18/2016 9:04 AM, Brian wrote: On Thu 18 Aug 2016 at 08:58:23 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote: On 08/17/2016 07:45 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Brian
On Fri 19 Aug 2016 at 07:41:56 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/18/2016 9:04 AM, Brian wrote: > >On Thu 18 Aug 2016 at 08:58:23 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > >>On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote: > >>>On 08/17/2016 07:45 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > I wish to connect two lapt

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Richard Owlett
ss-can-launch-ddos-attacks> Regards *ROFL* My subject line is "A minimalist network" ! The exhaustive all inclusive description of *MY* network is "A Lenovo T43 running WinXP Pro SP3 connected by a short Ethernet cable to a Lenovo R61 running experimental configurations of Debian Jessie (Mate desktop)." ;]!

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 07:41:56AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] > As I had said in last paragraph of > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00609.html : > "Why would I be interested in ssh as both machines are sitting on my > desk an

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/18/2016 4:13 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 18 August 2016 20:46:14 Charlie Kravetz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:50:23 -0700 David Christensen wrote: On 08/18/2016 06:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christense

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/18/2016 9:04 AM, Brian wrote: On Thu 18 Aug 2016 at 08:58:23 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote: On 08/17/2016 07:45 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. [snip] It would help if you provided more information about

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/18/2016 5:33 AM, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Richard, On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 05:27:13PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: The WinXP machine no longer reported a disconnected cable. The Jessie Mate machine now reported it was attempting to establish a connection. IOW both machines recognized a PHYSIC

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/17/2016 6:13 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 17 August 2016 22:14:24 Richard Owlett wrote: Why would I be interested in ssh as both machines are sitting on my desk and _neither_ will be connected to the internet when ethernet connection is live? You need to use something to move the fi

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/18/2016 9:46 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 18 August 2016 13:04:39 Richard Owlett wrote: On 8/17/2016 4:26 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 17 August 2016 21:48:20 Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] The web hits I got for zeroconf indicated it's part of a support package for KDE, I'm usin

RE: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi, >> Back in the "good ole days" there used to be a minimum segment / cable >> length for an Ethernet cable--I don't recall to what all it >> applied--i.e., I don't recall if it applied to thick Ethernet, thin [...] >> Does that apply for Gigabit Ethernet? > > Sort of, but not directly. >

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-19 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 06:23:35PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > I'd recommend a residential router with WiFi, Gigabit ports, and full > support for purpose-built FOSS firewall distributions, such as: > > http://dd-wrt.com/site/index Whilst useful, that's a long way from "minimalist" in m

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Brian
On Thu 18 Aug 2016 at 13:46:14 -0600, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:50:23 -0700 > David Christensen wrote: > > >On 08/18/2016 06:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote: > >>> 3. Internet modem or gateway. > >> 3. N/A > > > >So, th

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 18 August 2016 20:46:14 Charlie Kravetz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:50:23 -0700 > > David Christensen wrote: > >On 08/18/2016 06:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote: > >>> 3. Internet

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Charlie Kravetz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:50:23 -0700 David Christensen wrote: >On 08/18/2016 06:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: >> On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote: >>> 3. Internet modem or gateway. >> 3. N/A > >So, the laptops are not connected to

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread David Wright
On Thu 18 Aug 2016 at 10:33:28 (+), Andy Smith wrote: > Hi Richard, > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 05:27:13PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > The WinXP machine no longer reported a disconnected cable. > > The Jessie Mate machine now reported it was attempting to establish a > > connection. > >

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread David Wright
On Thu 18 Aug 2016 at 11:50:23 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: > On 08/18/2016 06:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote: > >> 3. Internet modem or gateway. > > 3. N/A > > So, the laptops are not connected to the Internet? How do you access > the Interne

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread David Wright
On Thu 18 Aug 2016 at 11:50:23 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: > On 08/18/2016 06:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote: > >> 3. Internet modem or gateway. > > 3. N/A > > So, the laptops are not connected to the Internet? How do you access > the Interne

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread David Christensen
On 08/18/2016 06:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote: >> 3. Internet modem or gateway. > 3. N/A So, the laptops are not connected to the Internet? How do you access the Internet to post and read this list, download Debian ISO's, etc.? David

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 18/08/2016 à 19:18, Reco a écrit : OP is seeking to connect exactly 2 PCs. Both SLAAC and DHCP are overkill in such case IMO. I won't argue. I don't see what's so inconvenient in ipv6 link-local for such simplistic setup. IPv6 link local addresses are harder to remember, and you must ap

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Brian
On Thu 18 Aug 2016 at 20:18:56 +0300, Reco wrote: > On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:51:08 +0200 > Pascal Hambourg wrote: > > > SLAAC (stateless address autoconfiguration) requires a properly > > configured IPv6 router sending RA's (router advertisements). Debian > > running radvd can do this. > > > >

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Reco
Hi. On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:51:08 +0200 Pascal Hambourg wrote: > SLAAC (stateless address autoconfiguration) requires a properly > configured IPv6 router sending RA's (router advertisements). Debian > running radvd can do this. > > Or do you mean link local addresses (fe80::/10) ? They

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread David Wright
On Thu 18 Aug 2016 at 12:51:08 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 18/08/2016 à 01:26, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh a écrit : > > > >Too bad it is WinXP, otherwise you'd have instant connectivity via IPv6 > >SLAAC. > > Windows XP supports IPv6. It is just disabled by default, so you > need to enab

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Joe
On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:04:16 -0500 David Wright wrote: > > In days of yore, there was a minimum distance on coax because > every transmission was effectively a broadcast, and had to pass a > certain distance (≡time) before any reply would be recognised *as a > reply* rather than the transmitter

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread David Wright
On Thu 18 Aug 2016 at 11:07:28 (-0400), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, August 18, 2016 09:58:23 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > > On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote: > > > On 08/17/2016 07:45 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > 6. Distances between devices. > > ... > > > 6. < 1 ft

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Tim McDonough
On 8/18/2016 10:07 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: Because I learned one thing here already (Gigabit ethernet usually doesn't require crossover cables), I'll see if I can learn something else ;-) Back in the "good ole days" there used to be a minimum segment / cable length for an Ethernet cable--

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 18 August 2016 16:07:28 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Back in the "good ole days" there used to be a minimum segment / cable > length for an Ethernet cable--I don't recall to what all it applied--i.e., > I don't recall if it applied to thick Ethernet, thin (coax) Ethernet, Cat 5 > and Cat

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 18 August 2016 14:58:23 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote: > > On 08/17/2016 07:45 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. > >> > >> The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie installed. > >> Consi

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Back in the "good ole days" there used to be a minimum segment / cable length > for an Ethernet cable--I don't recall to what all it applied--i.e., I don't > recall if it applied to thick Ethernet, thin (coax) Ethernet, Cat 5 and Cat > 6, > all o

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, August 18, 2016 09:58:23 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote: > > On 08/17/2016 07:45 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > 6. Distances between devices. ... > 6. < 1 ft. Because I learned one thing here already (Gigabit ethernet usually doesn't requi

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 18 August 2016 13:04:39 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/17/2016 4:26 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Wednesday 17 August 2016 21:48:20 Richard Owlett wrote: > >> [snip] > >> The web hits I got for zeroconf indicated it's part of a support > >> package for KDE, I'm using Mate. Don't know if th

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Brian
On Thu 18 Aug 2016 at 08:58:23 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote: > >On 08/17/2016 07:45 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >>I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. > >> > >>The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie installed. > >>Consid

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote: On 08/17/2016 07:45 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie installed. Consider it a laboratory experiment. It can have multiple installs in a day. It inten

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/17/2016 8:52 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 08/17/2016 03:27 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: I am groping for the questions I *SHOULD BE* asking ;/ Q: How does Ethernet work? Q: How do TCP/IP local area networks work? Q: How does the Internet work? https://www.amazon.com/Networking-Dummies

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/17/2016 4:26 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 17 August 2016 21:48:20 Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] The web hits I got for zeroconf indicated it's part of a support package for KDE, I'm using Mate. Don't know if that's a problem. http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi is still giving a

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 18/08/2016 à 01:26, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh a écrit : Too bad it is WinXP, otherwise you'd have instant connectivity via IPv6 SLAAC. Windows XP supports IPv6. It is just disabled by default, so you need to enable it with something like "ipv6 enable". Even Windows 2000 could have exper

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-18 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Richard, On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 05:27:13PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > The WinXP machine no longer reported a disconnected cable. > The Jessie Mate machine now reported it was attempting to establish a > connection. > > IOW both machines recognized a PHYSICAL connection. > *NOTHING MORE*

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 08/17/2016 03:27 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: I am groping for the questions I *SHOULD BE* asking ;/ Q: How does Ethernet work? Q: How do TCP/IP local area networks work? Q: How does the Internet work? https://www.amazon.com/Networking-Dummies-Doug-Lowe/dp/B01FBEEOBU/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&i

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread David Christensen
On 08/17/2016 03:27 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > I am groping for the questions I *SHOULD BE* asking ;/ Q: How does Ethernet work? Q: How do TCP/IP local area networks work? Q: How does the Internet work? David

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread David Christensen
On 08/17/2016 02:14 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > I did purchase an "8-Port Gigabit Switch". I don't intend open the > shrink wrap unless convinced there is no other way. As I've said > elsewhere a major motivation is educational. I'd recommend a residential router with WiFi, Gigabit ports, and full

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread David Christensen
On 08/17/2016 07:45 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. > > The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie installed. > Consider it a laboratory experiment. It can have multiple installs in a > day. It intentionally has *NO* internet connectivity.

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Now that this list has kindly helped me learn how, I use ssh all the time on > my small home network; but I must admit I use it more for admin than for > moving files, though I also use it for moving files. Same here, but the crypto required by ssh/scp an

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 8/17/16 6:46 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 8/17/2016 4:34 PM, Brian wrote: On Wed 17 Aug 2016 at 09:45:39 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie installed. Consider it a laboratory experiment.

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 05:45:47 PM Miles Fidelman wrote: > On 8/17/16 5:33 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > As stated by someone else, you need a crossover cable--or something > > equivalent, like plug cables from both machines into a switch, router, or > > hub, I think I've seen someone se

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 17 Aug 2016, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/17/2016 10:09 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: > >>The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie > >>installed. Consider it a laboratory experiment. It can have > >>multiple installs in a day. It intentionally has *NO* internet > >>connectivi

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 17 August 2016 22:14:24 Richard Owlett wrote: > Why would I be interested in ssh as both machines are sitting on > my desk and _neither_ will be connected to the internet when > ethernet connection is live? You need to use something to move the files form one machine to another, as h

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Brian
On Wed 17 Aug 2016 at 17:46:27 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/17/2016 4:34 PM, Brian wrote: > >On Wed 17 Aug 2016 at 09:45:39 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > >>I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. > >> > >>The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie installed. > >>

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Dan Ritter
On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 05:27:13PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > Once you've got the physical layer sorted (that is, green blinky > > > > lights on both machines), then the rest of the configuration > > > > should be much the same as any network: > > > > * Either give the hosts unique, stati

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/17/2016 4:34 PM, Brian wrote: On Wed 17 Aug 2016 at 09:45:39 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie installed. Consider it a laboratory experiment. It can have multiple installs in a day. It in

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/17/2016 4:33 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 05:00:25 PM Richard Owlett wrote: Ahh the question is HOW Bought Cat6 straight thru cable. Neither machine has a light to blink, but both reacted indicating cable present - but no communication established YET. As s

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 8/17/16 6:33 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 8/17/2016 4:13 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 17 August 2016 22:00:25 Richard Owlett wrote: If retirement is not for education, what use is it? To retire? Life is for education - retirement is for slowing down. Sadly. Perhaps a better

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 8/17/16 6:00 PM, Brian wrote: On Wed 17 Aug 2016 at 17:42:31 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 8/17/16 5:14 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: Do I really want an "ftp server"? I can see the WinXP machine as a "server". Do I have problems with definitions? Something has to talk, something has to l

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/17/2016 4:13 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 17 August 2016 22:00:25 Richard Owlett wrote: If retirement is not for education, what use is it? To retire? Life is for education - retirement is for slowing down. Sadly. Perhaps a better phraseology would be "Retirement is for learnin

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/17/2016 4:11 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 8/17/16 5:00 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 8/17/2016 10:09 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 09:45:39AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. The Debian machine is having various configurations of

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Brian
On Wed 17 Aug 2016 at 17:42:31 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > On 8/17/16 5:14 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > >Do I really want an "ftp server"? I can see the WinXP machine as a > >"server". Do I have problems with definitions? > > Something has to talk, something has to listen and respond. Even

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 8/17/16 5:33 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 05:00:25 PM Richard Owlett wrote: Ahh the question is HOW Bought Cat6 straight thru cable. Neither machine has a light to blink, but both reacted indicating cable present - but no communication established YET. As st

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 8/17/16 5:14 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 8/17/2016 10:34 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 8/17/16 11:09 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 09:45:39AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. The Debian machine is having various configurations of

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Brian
On Wed 17 Aug 2016 at 09:45:39 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. > > The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie installed. > Consider it a laboratory experiment. It can have multiple installs in a day. > It intentionally has *NO* interne

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 05:00:25 PM Richard Owlett wrote: > Ahh the question is HOW > Bought Cat6 straight thru cable. Neither machine has a light to > blink, but both reacted indicating cable present - but no > communication established YET. As stated by someone else, you need a crossover

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 17 August 2016 21:48:20 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/17/2016 10:05 AM, der.hans wrote: > > Am 16. Aug, 2016 schwätzte Richard Owlett so: > > > > moin moin Richard, > > > > look at zeroconf. Both machines can independently setup > > networking to talk > > to each other. > > The web hits

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/17/2016 10:34 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 8/17/16 11:09 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 09:45:39AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie installed. Consider it a laboratory e

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 17 August 2016 22:00:25 Richard Owlett wrote: > If retirement is not for education, what use is it? To retire? Life is for education - retirement is for slowing down. Sadly. Lisi

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 8/17/16 5:00 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 8/17/2016 10:09 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 09:45:39AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie installed. Consider it a laboratory ex

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/17/2016 10:09 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 09:45:39AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie installed. Consider it a laboratory experiment. It can have multiple installs in a

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 8/17/2016 10:05 AM, der.hans wrote: Am 16. Aug, 2016 schwätzte Richard Owlett so: moin moin Richard, look at zeroconf. Both machines can independently setup networking to talk to each other. The web hits I got for zeroconf indicated it's part of a support package for KDE, I'm using Mate.

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread David Wright
On Wed 17 Aug 2016 at 11:34:25 (-0400), Miles Fidelman wrote: > On 8/17/16 11:09 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: > > >On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 09:45:39AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > >>I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. > >> > >>The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie > >>i

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 8/17/16 11:09 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 09:45:39AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie installed. Consider it a laboratory experiment. It can have multiple installs in

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread der.hans
Am 16. Aug, 2016 schwätzte Richard Owlett so: moin moin Richard, look at zeroconf. Both machines can independently setup networking to talk to each other. I believe zeroconf came up somehow recently on a new box until I fixed the network cable, so it's likely an option during install. ciao, d

Re: A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 09:45:39AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie installed. Consider it a laboratory experiment. It can have multiple installs in a day. It intentionally has *NO* internet c

A minimalist network

2016-08-17 Thread Richard Owlett
I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet. The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie installed. Consider it a laboratory experiment. It can have multiple installs in a day. It intentionally has *NO* internet connectivity. It has a small partition set aside for preseed.cfg