On Sat, 2021-08-14 at 20:44 +0100, Michael Howard wrote:
> and her is an off list reply reply from the less than honourable Polyna
I killfiled them weeks ago, I don't know why people do just do similar
and move on...
On 2021-08-14 3:51 p.m., Curt wrote:
> On 2021-08-14, Michael Howard wrote:
>> On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
>
>>> Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church
>>> steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.)
>>>
>>
>> Please take this shit off list!
>>
>
>
On 14/08/2021 20:51, Curt wrote:
On 2021-08-14, Michael Howard wrote:
On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church
steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.)
Please take this shit off list!
IP overwrought, is that it?
On 2021-08-14, Michael Howard wrote:
> On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
>> Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church
>> steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.)
>>
>
> Please take this shit off list!
>
IP overwrought, is that it?
On 2021-08-14 2:35 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 01:27:43PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
>> Charlie Gibbs writes:
>>> Some people will respond by switching to a different e-mail address in
>>> order to work around the killfiles they know they're now in.
>>
>> Fortunately Gnus
and her is an off list reply reply from the less than honourable Polyna
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Subject:Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 15:41:22 -0400
From: Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
To: Michael Howard
On
On 14.08.21 21:35, Michael Howard wrote:
Give the normal amongst us a break. This stuff is NOT debian, it is
social ineptitude and it has to stop.
Form yourselves a chat group somewhere, just NOT here. Please?
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On 14/08/2021 20:25, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
Hi,
On 2021-08-14 2:53 p.m., Michael Howard wrote:
On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
tomas writes:
But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
Yup. Back in the 186
Hi,
On 2021-08-14 2:53 p.m., Michael Howard wrote:
> On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500
>> John Hasler wrote:
>>
>>> tomas writes:
But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
>>> Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earli
On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
tomas writes:
But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier
yet we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but
wo
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 01:27:43PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs writes:
> > Some people will respond by switching to a different e-mail address in
> > order to work around the killfiles they know they're now in.
>
> Fortunately Gnus can filter on things such as substrings of message
Charlie Gibbs writes:
> Some people will respond by switching to a different e-mail address in
> order to work around the killfiles they know they're now in.
Fortunately Gnus can filter on things such as substrings of message IDs
and other identifying header features that the trolls are unaware o
bruptly.
>>
>> No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the
>> sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the
>> bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a
>> particularly asinine article with
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> tomas writes:
> > But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
>
> Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier
> yet we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but
> worked. And, of course, pigeons.
Le 14/08/2021 à 14:37, John Hasler a écrit :
> tomas writes:
>> But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
> Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier yet
> we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but worked.
> And, of course, pigeons.
I have a seconda
tomas writes:
> But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier yet
we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but worked.
And, of course, pigeons.
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j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 04:12:10PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de [2021-08-13 19:11:43] wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:49:34PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
> > wrote:
> > [...]
> >> Plonk ?
[...]
> > [1] http://www.catb.or
into a large tank with liquid at the
> >> bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a
> >> particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk".
> >
> > having been reading usenet since before the great renaming
> &
s common to respond to a
>> particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk".
>
> having been reading usenet since before the great renaming
> it was a term that i haven't used often.
great renaming ?
Usenet is not Usenet anymore ?
>
> i found out years
to...@tuxteam.de [2021-08-13 19:11:43] wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:49:34PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
> wrote:
> [...]
>> Plonk ?
> Greg and The Wanderer already provided a definition. Just adding
> one standard reference, the Jargon File [1] in such thin
songbird writes:
> i found out years ago that i just don't have the energy any more to
> get that mad about something on-line. the n key is many fewer
> keystrokes than *plonk*. :)
When I find that I'm hitting n every time I see a certain user I
killfile them. Saves keystrok
ord followup "plonk".
having been reading usenet since before the great renaming
it was a term that i haven't used often.
i found out years ago that i just don't have the energy any
more to get that mad about something on-line. the n key is
many fewer keystrokes than *plonk*. :)
songbird
On 8/14/21 12:17 AM, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
they won't stop and will just continue to argue against themselves
Quite, quite : this is happening : now
.
l object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the
>>>> bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a
>>>> particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk".
>>>>
>>>> I've never seen any point in telli
into use. It definitely represents the
>> sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the
>> bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a
>> particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk".
>>
>> I'v
It was common to respond to a
>>> particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk".
>>>
>>> I've never seen any point in telling the world (or the plonked
>>> individual) about the action, though.
>>>
>> I have serious do
opping into a large tank with liquid at the
> bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a
> particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk".
>
> I've never seen any point in telling the world (or the plonked
> individual) about t
y.
>>
>> No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the
>> sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the
>> bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a
>> particularly asinine article with the one-word f
sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the
> bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a
> particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk".
>
> I've never seen any point in telling the world (or the plonke
om. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a
particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk".
I've never seen any point in telling the world (or the plonked
individual) about the action, though.
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j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA
On 2020-08-20 04:39, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
a while ago i asked about the periodic knocking noise after each 4 seconds
of my freshly bought 4 TB HDD WD4003FRYZ. We came to the conclusion that
this was a reason to return the disk to the seller. "Click of Death" et.al.
I did and got a replacem
Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> ---
>
> So my next question to recent HDD buyers:
>
> What 4 TB HDD should i want for best reliability and no noises when idle ?
> Any recent experiences ?
Toshiba and Hitachi (owned by WD but not produc
Hi,
a while ago i asked about the periodic knocking noise after each 4 seconds
of my freshly bought 4 TB HDD WD4003FRYZ. We came to the conclusion that
this was a reason to return the disk to the seller. "Click of Death" et.al.
I did and got a replacement disk. That one knocks less loudly, more l
On 2020-07-25 07:25, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
See below for the full output of smartctl -a.
I saved one drive that had the click of death (and died shortly
thereafter). My notes indicated it passed the manufacturer diagnostic
tests, but failed the manufacturer full erase procedure. The last S
On 2020-07-25 02:16, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
David Christensen wrote:
Click of death.
At least this is the reality which i will present to the disk vendor
while negotiating about replacement.
But personally i still have doubts that it is this particular problem.
The knocking is not "Click-clic
Hi,
i quoted smartctl:
> > 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0012 100 100 000Old_age Always -
> > 18
> > 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 100 100 000Old_age Always -
> > 19
> > 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always -
> >
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 04:25:16PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0012 100 100 000Old_age Always
> - 18
> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 100 100 000Old_age Always
> - 19
> 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100
> Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> I guess it's still spin-down
^
like
Sorry, my fingers didn't obey my brain,
Stefan
Hi,
Reco wrote:
> It's all other lines that are interesting here.
> I.e. 'Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds' section.
I wanted to wait with the long list until the self-test is done.
See below for the full output of smartctl -a.
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> I guess it's still spin-dow
> It is its way of saying it's an unsupported feature and you cannot
> disable drive heads parking this way. Was worth the shot.
I guess it's still spin-down: WD drives support it but just ignore the
APM settings of "how long to wait before spin-down" and use their own
algorithm instead.
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 11:16:16AM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Reco wrote:
> > It's simple:
> > smartctl -t long /dev/sda
>
> The short test yielded
> Num Test_DescriptionStatus Remaining LifeTime(hours)
> LBA_of_first_error
> # 1 Short offline Completed with
Hi,
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> You might not have read the entire [Click_of_death] article.
Indeed. Now i need to search my old loudspeakers in order to compare
the sound file on Wikipedia with the disk's sound.
D. R. Evans wrote:
> I can say that my experience (YMMV) is that 100% of the drive
Hi.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:35:34PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Reco wrote:
> > Have you tried to disable drive heads parking via hdparm?
>
> hdparm -J ?
> The man page says "The factory default is eight (8) seconds".
> That would be about twice as long as what i experience.
>
>
On 2020-07-24 14:35, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
Hello. :-)
David Christensen wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_of_death
But that's a different technology (and 20 years ago).
I have a few Zip drives on the shelf, but only rarely used them back
when. My recent "Click of death"
> > installation.
> >
> > If the drive has power then i makes a plonking noise every 3 to 5
> > seconds. The plonk is louder when Debian runs, but can also be
> > heard (and felt by direct finger contact with the disk) if only EFI
> > is running. The sound is not
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote on 7/24/20 4:28 PM:
> On Friday, July 24, 2020 05:35:34 PM Thomas Schmitt wrote:
>> David Christensen wrote:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_of_death
>>
>> But that's a different technology (and 20 years ago).
>
> You might not have read the entire article.
>
Hav
On 25/7/20 4:49 am, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
i got my new computer with a 4 GB WD Gold (WDC WD4003FRYZ-01F0DB0) and
observe a strange behavior with a provisory Debian 10 LXDE installation.
If the drive has power then i makes a plonking noise every 3 to 5
seconds. The plonk is louder when
On Friday, July 24, 2020 05:35:34 PM Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> David Christensen wrote:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_of_death
>
> But that's a different technology (and 20 years ago).
You might not have read the entire article.
Hi,
David Christensen wrote:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_of_death
But that's a different technology (and 20 years ago).
> If you cannot return the drive, I would download, install, and run
> "Data Lifeguard Diagnostic for Windows":
> https://support.wdc.com/downloads.aspx?DL#downloads
On 2020-07-24 12:14, Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 08:49:42PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
i got my new computer with a 4 GB WD Gold (WDC WD4003FRYZ-01F0DB0) and
observe a strange behavior with a provisory Debian 10 LXDE installation.
If the drive has power then i makes
Hi.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 08:49:42PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i got my new computer with a 4 GB WD Gold (WDC WD4003FRYZ-01F0DB0) and
> observe a strange behavior with a provisory Debian 10 LXDE installation.
>
> If the drive has power then i makes a plonking noise every 3
Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> If the drive has power then i makes a plonking noise every 3 to 5
> seconds. The plonk is louder when Debian runs, but can also be
> heard (and felt by direct finger contact with the disk) if only EFI
> is running. The sound is not really loud but well heara
On 2020-07-24 11:49, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
i got my new computer with a 4 GB WD Gold (WDC WD4003FRYZ-01F0DB0) and
observe a strange behavior with a provisory Debian 10 LXDE installation.
If the drive has power then i makes a plonking noise every 3 to 5
seconds. The plonk is louder when
Hi,
i got my new computer with a 4 GB WD Gold (WDC WD4003FRYZ-01F0DB0) and
observe a strange behavior with a provisory Debian 10 LXDE installation.
If the drive has power then i makes a plonking noise every 3 to 5
seconds. The plonk is louder when Debian runs, but can also be
heard (and felt by
r wrote message
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> ..plonk.
>
> Why even reply to spam? Or announce your killfile? Or killfile spam
> when spamassassin exists?
..he said: "EXECUTE MY WILL", so I aimed and shot.
What part of "execute" and "my&qu
Arnt Karlsen wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
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> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:25:42 GMT, Barrister wrote message
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>
> ..plonk.
Why even reply to spam? Or announce your killfile? Or killfile spam when
spamassassin e
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..plonk.
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>
> I will admit that I have pretty much given up on any expectation that
> you have anything useful to add to this forum
I'm totally okay with that. Leave me alone.
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On November 20, 2003 at 8:50PM -0800,
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> on Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 04:49:14AM +, ben ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:23:48 +0800
> > csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:54:17 -0800,
> > > Karsten M. Se
On November 21, 2003 at 7:27PM +0800,
"David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:24:16 +
> ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:50:09 -0800
> > "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > on Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 04:49:14AM +, ben
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:24:16 +
ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:50:09 -0800
> "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > on Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 04:49:14AM +, ben ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> > wrote:
> > > On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:23:48 +0800
> > > csj <[EMAIL PROTE
on Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 09:24:16AM +, ben ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:50:09 -0800 "Karsten M. Self"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > on Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 04:49:14AM +, ben ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> > wrote:
> yeah, i was one of those to whose addresses you felt yours
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:50:09 -0800
"Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 04:49:14AM +, ben ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:23:48 +0800
> > csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:54:17 -0800,
> > > Karsten M. Sel
Mr. Folkert has a grudge against me from another forum in which a rather
flagrently explosive fest of fabrication of history and rules, failure
to stand by prior statements, gross personal abuse, spinelessness in
standing up for justice (with few exceptions), and violation of personal
confidences,
On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 23:50, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 04:49:14AM +, ben ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:23:48 +0800
> > csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:54:17 -0800,
> > > Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > > >
> > > > on Tu
on Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 04:49:14AM +, ben ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:23:48 +0800
> csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:54:17 -0800,
> > Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > >
> > > on Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:19:48AM +0800, csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 04:49:14 +,
ben wrote:
>
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:23:48 +0800
> csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:54:17 -0800,
> > Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > >
> > > on Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:19:48AM +0800, csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 17 Nov
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:23:48 +0800
csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:54:17 -0800,
> Karsten M. Self wrote:
> >
> > on Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:19:48AM +0800, csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:48:14 -0800,
> > > Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > >
> > > [..
apparently beyond their mein, I'll remind
> > > > > them that consequences for actions are also their
> > > > > responsibility. Including finding themselves ignored by those
> > > > > who value s over n.
> > > >
> > > > Do
their
> > > > responsibility. Including finding themselves ignored by those
> > > > who value s over n.
> > >
> > > Don't call people "closet anarchists" if you don't want to be
> > > called a closet Nazi.
> > >
> > >
n.
> >
> > Don't call people "closet anarchists" if you don't want to be
> > called a closet Nazi.
> >
> > [...]
>
> *plonk*
Not applicable. I believe this is a mailing list.
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What Part of "Gestalt&quo
ulation frustrates me endlessly. I'm offended both as a proponent of
> the Liberal Arts *and* as one who believes in the importance of science
> and technology; attacked on one side, flanked by disbelievers on the
> other...
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on Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 07:11:18PM +0100, Nicos Gollan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:05:33 -0800
> "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > *plonk*
>
> Sadly, all that you'll get from plonking a participant of a hig
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:05:33 -0800
"Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> *plonk*
Sadly, all that you'll get from plonking a participant of a high-volume
spam thread is dozens of zombie threads in your inbox :-/
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