Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-23 Thread Francis Healy
Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 10:53:00AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: >> Roberto writes: >>> Depending on the dimensions of your property, it might be fairly easy to >>> find another vein of ground water. >> Aquifers are usually quit

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-23 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > The drilling technology is also 19th century. Although a rotary drill is > faster (though still 19th century technology) a cable drill is something > that anyone able to keep any sort of machinery running could maintain: > it's just a heavy weight on a cable, lifted up and dropped over

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-23 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 06:13:32PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > The drilling technology is also 19th century. Although a rotary drill is > faster (though still 19th century technology) a cable drill is something > that anyone able to keep any sort of machinery running could maintain: it's > just

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-23 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > I'm not talking about fancy wells with submersible electric pumps. This is > early 19th century technology. Any blacksmith can maintain it. Roberto writes: > I was talking about maintenance on the drilling gear. The drilling technology is also 19th century. Although a rotary drill i

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-23 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 05:10:24PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > I wrote: > > Why? Well drilling is hardly high-tech: it's well over 100 years old. > > You should be able to pick up an old cable-drilling rig in Texas for > > scrap price. For that matter, you could drive a well to 12 meters. > > The

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-23 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > Why? Well drilling is hardly high-tech: it's well over 100 years old. > You should be able to pick up an old cable-drilling rig in Texas for > scrap price. For that matter, you could drive a well to 12 meters. > There also some interesting "low tech" approaches. Google "drilled well"

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-23 Thread John Hasler
Ron Johnson writes: > Probably because at US$6/day it's *still* cheaper to dig by hand. It only takes one guy with a sledgehammer to drive a well. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-23 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 04:07:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Why? Well drilling is hardly high-tech: it's well over 100 years old. You > > should be able to pick up an old cable-drilling rig in Texas for scrap > > price. For that matter, you could drive a well to 12 meters. There also >

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-23 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/23/06 15:31, John Hasler wrote: > Hugo write: >> And here (Esquipulas, Oaxaca, Mexico) we dig wells by hand and lower the >> concrete casings by hand. These are about 12 meters deep, so they are >> very shallow but an extraordinary amount of wor

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-23 Thread John Hasler
Hugo write: > And here (Esquipulas, Oaxaca, Mexico) we dig wells by hand and lower the > concrete casings by hand. These are about 12 meters deep, so they are > very shallow but an extraordinary amount of work (minimum wage was just > "raised" to about 6US$ per day). Why? Well drilling is hardly

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-23 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 01:55:03PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > > And here (Esquipulas, Oaxaca, Mexico) we dig wells by hand and lower the > concrete casings by hand. These are about 12 meters deep, so they are > very shallow but an extraordinary amount of work (minimum wage was just > "rais

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-23 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 10:53:00AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Roberto writes: Depending on the dimensions of your property, it might be fairly easy to find another vein of ground water. Aquifers are usually quite large. I know that my well is something like four t

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-23 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 10:53:00AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Roberto writes: > > Depending on the dimensions of your property, it might be fairly easy to > > find another vein of ground water. > > Aquifers are usually quite large. > > > I know that my well is something like four times the depth

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-23 Thread John Hasler
Roberto writes: > Depending on the dimensions of your property, it might be fairly easy to > find another vein of ground water. Aquifers are usually quite large. > I know that my well is something like four times the depth of the wells > of some of my neighbors, whose wells are less than a few hu

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-23 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 06:28:46AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > > Or rain: our two wells just went dry... :-( > > Hugo > Ouch. Depending on the dimensions of your property, it might be fairly easy to find another vein of ground water. I know that my well is something like four times the dep

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-23 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/22/06 17:02, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 06:04:45PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 08:49:53PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..if you anywhere near doubt your roof can take

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-22 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 07:18:28PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Unfortunately, it rains here. A lot. And the levees break. :( > No way. I heard some politician say they levees were blown up by W since he hates blacks and is racist. You mean that they can actually break for other reasons? :-

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-22 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 07:18:28PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 12/22/06 17:31, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 05:29:24PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 12/22/06 17:02, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > >>> On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 06:04:45PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wro

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-22 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/22/06 17:31, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 05:29:24PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 12/22/06 17:02, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: >>> On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 06:04:45PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Fri, Dec 2

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-22 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 05:29:24PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 12/22/06 17:02, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 06:04:45PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 08:49:53PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > >>> > >>> ..if you anywhere near doubt your r

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-22 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/22/06 17:02, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 06:04:45PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 08:49:53PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >>> >>> ..if you anywhere near doubt your roof can take >>> those

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-22 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 06:04:45PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 08:49:53PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > ..if you anywhere near doubt your roof can take > > those "extra" 73 tons, evacuate all the people under it, > > then remove those 73 tons of snow. this i

Re: ..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-22 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 08:49:53PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..if you anywhere near doubt your roof can take > those "extra" 73 tons, evacuate all the people under it, > then remove those 73 tons of snow. > Wasn't snow load what lead to the collapse of the roof a skating rink or disco in

..OT: Watch your snow load!

2006-12-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
Hi, ..I see reports on people stuck in snow in places like New Mexico. One thing is getting stuck in snow on the road, there you "just" need watch out for tail pipe gases killing you, you either wanna stop in some wind blown place, where the snow and tail pipe gases are blown away, or combine