Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 07:37:59PM +, Pigeon wrote: > On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 01:20:21AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:26:35AM +, Pigeon wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote: > > > > On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Pigeon
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 01:20:21AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:26:35AM +, Pigeon wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote: > > > On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Just trying to work out in French

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Tom
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 01:05:54PM -0800, Cam Ellison wrote: > The main point is, I think, that regularity is a fiction, but we keep > trying to attain it because it makes communicating easier. Gender in > language has nothing to do with men and women. It's a convenient > fiction employed to dete

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Cam Ellison
* Christophe Courtois ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > As there is almost no logic, this normal. And it changes from language to > language: when speaking German I always wonder which gender to use for > half of words - and they have three genders... :-( > When learning Latin, I had to learn ma

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 07:26:52PM +0100, Christophe Courtois wrote: > Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 07:20, Bijan Soleymani a d?clam? : > > > Hmmm... what exactly does the word "Linux" sound like in French? > > The Li is kind of like Lee, > > the nux is kind of like nooks. > > It seems that people

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Tom
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 07:26:52PM +0100, Christophe Courtois wrote: > Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 07:20, Bijan Soleymani a déclamé : > > > Hmmm... what exactly does the word "Linux" sound like in French? > > The Li is kind of like Lee, > > the nux is kind of like nooks. > > It seems that people

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 07:20, Bijan Soleymani a déclamé : > > Hmmm... what exactly does the word "Linux" sound like in French? > The Li is kind of like Lee, > the nux is kind of like nooks. It seems that people speaking only English can't pronounce the 'u' the way we use it - does not seem

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 16:56, Hugo Vanwoerkom a déclamé : > Christophe Courtois wrote: > > Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 03:42, Wesley J Landaker a déclamé : > >>a native French speaker, and although I've got *fairly* good inuition > >>into a word's gender, I still make mistakes! ;) > > Don't w

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Tom
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 09:56:30AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Christophe Courtois wrote: > >Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 03:42, Wesley J Landaker a déclamé : > > > >>Then again, as I said, I'm not > >>a native French speaker, and although I've got *fairly* good inuition > >>into a word's gender

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Christophe Courtois wrote: Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 03:42, Wesley J Landaker a déclamé : Then again, as I said, I'm not a native French speaker, and although I've got *fairly* good inuition into a word's gender, I still make mistakes! ;) Don't worry, even French people don't always know all

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 11:29, Ron Johnson a déclamé : > > The same as the person who is called a geek. > > (Pronunciation : djik , from English ) > Jeek? Not a "hard G", like the word Gaul? Yes, more like an English would say 'jeek'. Probably because g+e in French is pronounced the same

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 03:42, Wesley J Landaker a déclamé : > Then again, as I said, I'm not > a native French speaker, and although I've got *fairly* good inuition > into a word's gender, I still make mistakes! ;) Don't worry, even French people don't always know all genders :-) -- Christ

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 04:09, Christophe Courtois wrote: > Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 05:17, Bijan Soleymani a déclamé : > > > What is the gender of "geek"? > > The same as the person who is called a geek. > > (Pronunciation : djik , from English ) Jeek? Not a "hard G", like the word Gaul?

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 05:17, Bijan Soleymani a déclamé : > > What is the gender of "geek"? The same as the person who is called a geek. (Pronunciation : djik , from English ) > Il est un geek. "C'est un geek." > Sa femme est une geeke. "Sa femme est une geek." (no feminine form,

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 04:55, Bijan Soleymani a déclamé : > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:01:38PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > What is the gender of Unix? > Also masculine I believe. Yep. > I think Debian is feminine though. > Un Unix proprietaire. > Une Debian Sid. > La Debian, la distributi

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Erik Steffl
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 18:52, Tom wrote: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 07:42:03PM -0700, Wesley J Landaker wrote: > > > (I have a theory, but I don't want to influence what you say). > > > > But, now I'm curious... what is your theory? > > Funny timing, I just said it in my previous email a couple of

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:26:35AM +, Pigeon wrote: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote: > > On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? > > > > > > > I'd say it's masculine for

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Pigeon
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote: > On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote: > > Hi All, > > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? > > > > I'd say it's masculine for a couple of reasons. > > First, it just sounds better as "le Linux" c

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:01:38PM -0600, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > What is the gender of Unix? Or "eunuchs"? Is "neuter" a masculine or feminine in French? Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you und

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 19:24:13 +, Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 06:08:46PM +0100, Christophe Courtois wrote: > > Le Samedi 1 Novembre 2003 17:48, Wesley J Landaker a d?clam? : > > > "Le Linux" is typically used as masculine, but I've

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 22:17, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:53:48PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 21:01, John Hasler wrote: > > > What is the gender of Unix? > > > > What is the gender of "geek"? > > I don't know what it is off the top of my head. It's a

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:47:30PM -0600, Scott C. Linnenbringer wrote: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003, at 14:12 +, Rus Foster wrote: > > > Hi All, > > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? > > Masculine, of course. > > Men developed Linux, men primarily use Linux, playi

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:53:48PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 21:01, John Hasler wrote: > > What is the gender of Unix? > > What is the gender of "geek"? I don't know what it is off the top of my head. It's always a tough call with foreign words. But I think the tendency no

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:50:08PM -0600, Scott C. Linnenbringer wrote: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003, at 21:01 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > > What is the gender of Unix? > > L'unix sounds pretty cool. > > Would that make it feminine? "l'" can be either masculine or feminine. You see in french you "

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:01:38PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > What is the gender of Unix? Also masculine I believe. I think Debian is feminine though. Un Unix proprietaire. Une Debian Sid. La Debian, la distribution la plus libre. I think people might pronounce Debian as though it was written

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 21:01, John Hasler wrote: > What is the gender of Unix? What is the gender of "geek"? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA After seeing all the viruses, trojan horses, worms and Reply mail

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Scott C. Linnenbringer
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003, at 21:01 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > What is the gender of Unix? L'unix sounds pretty cool. Would that make it feminine? -- scott c. linnenbringer<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.panix.com/~sl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Scott C. Linnenbringer
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003, at 14:12 +, Rus Foster wrote: > Hi All, > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? Masculine, of course. Men developed Linux, men primarily use Linux, playing around with powerful operating systems built on top of Linux is a man's thing, et cet

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread John Hasler
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Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 07:42:03PM -0700, Wesley J Landaker wrote: > > (I have a theory, but I don't want to influence what you say). > > But, now I'm curious... what is your theory? Funny timing, I just said it in my previous email a couple of minutes ago. My (rather facile) theory is that it'

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread David P James
On November 01, 2003 20:28, Tom wrote: > > I don't have a high degree of confidence in this statement, > but I would guess things that "cause" action "seem" masculine, and > words that "receive" action "seem" feminine. You know, the whole > Freudian nine yards. Things that jut out vs. things tha

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Wesley J Landaker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 01 November 2003 9:54 am, Tom wrote: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:48:25AM -0700, Wesley J Landaker wrote: > > "Le Linux" is typically used as masculine, but I've seen it, less > > often, used as feminine, "la Linux". I'm not aware that it i

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote: > On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote: > > Hi All, > > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? > > > > I'd say it's masculine for a couple of reasons. > > First, it just sounds better as "le Linux" c

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread David P James
On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote: > Hi All, > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? > I'd say it's masculine for a couple of reasons. First, it just sounds better as "le Linux" compared to "la Linux". Second, it has a consonant ending and such words are ty

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Pigeon
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 06:08:46PM +0100, Christophe Courtois wrote: > Le Samedi 1 Novembre 2003 17:48, Wesley J Landaker a d?clam? : > > "Le Linux" is typically used as masculine, but I've seen it, less > > often, used as feminine, "la Linux". I'm not aware that it is > > "officially" anything, bu

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Samedi 1 Novembre 2003 17:48, Wesley J Landaker a déclamé : > "Le Linux" is typically used as masculine, but I've seen it, less > often, used as feminine, "la Linux". I'm not aware that it is > "officially" anything, but to me as a French-speaker, it "feels" more > like a masculine noun. (I'm

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Samedi 1 Novembre 2003 15:12, Rus Foster a déclamé : > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? Masculine (ex: "Un Linux est plus stable qu'un Windows"). Don't ask me why. -- Christophe Courtois - Ostwald, Alsace, France http://www.courtois.cc/ - Clé PGP : 0F33E837

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 02:12:31PM +, Rus Foster wrote: > Hi All, > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? I think it's masculine as in "le linux". Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:48:25AM -0700, Wesley J Landaker wrote: > "Le Linux" is typically used as masculine, but I've seen it, less often, > used as feminine, "la Linux". I'm not aware that it is "officially" > anything, but to me as a French-speaker, it "feels" more like a > masculine noun.

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Wesley J Landaker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 01 November 2003 7:12 am, Rus Foster wrote: > Hi All, > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? (Disclaimer: I'm not a native Francophone; but this is the experience I've had with colloquial usage of "Linux" in F

[ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Rus Foster
Hi All, Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? Thanks Rus -- w: http://www.jvds.com | Dedicated FreeBSD,Debian and RedHat Servers e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| Donations made to Debian, FreeBSD t: +44 7919 373537 | and Slackware t: 1-888-327-6330 | email: