Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware

2011-01-02 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 00:13:24 +0100 Enrico Weigelt dijo: >> why do companies keep source "secret" for their old tech 10/100 >> cards. > >That happens when excelsheet jerks rule over things they dont >understand. They simply can't imagine that there're really valid >reasons for some people bying ma

Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware

2011-01-02 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* bri...@aracnet.com schrieb: > yes i am capable of modifying drivers, and have done so, although > not for video. Same for me. It's one of the things I earn my money with. > having source means not (necessarily) having to wait on nvidia to apply > a patch. sometimes patches to fix a problem

Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware

2011-01-01 Thread Chris Jones
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 08:33:28PM EST, John Jason Jordan wrote: [..] > It will be a long time before I install an nVidia proprietary driver > again. When I installed ‘lenny’ on this new laptop, the ‘nv’ driver was the default. At some point I figured I'd watch some TV news, and I noticed that t

Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware

2010-12-31 Thread Bob Proulx
John Jason Jordan wrote: > It will be a long time before I install an nVidia proprietary driver > again. > ... so I uninstalled nVidia's driver and reinstalled nouveau. Going > back to nouveau turned out to be a major PITA. ... > ... I have spent hours trying to figure out what makes those apps > t

Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware

2010-12-31 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:48:06 -0800 dijo: >On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:08:27 -0500 >Doug wrote: >> > You will always be in trouble with hardware under Linux because of >> > the lack of mfr's drivers, and when they do provide drivers they >> > are generally binary objects, e.g. NVIDIA. >> Why does it

Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware

2010-12-31 Thread Brian
On Fri 31 Dec 2010 at 15:08:27 -0500, Doug wrote: > Why does it bother you that the driver is a binary? Are you qualified to > modify it if you had the source code? Maybe he could; maybe he couldn't. But somebody could. > Certainly 99% of us are not, nor would we want to if we could. Really?

Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware

2010-12-31 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 31. 12. 2010 21:08:27 je Doug napisal(a): On 12/31/2010 12:50 PM, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:03:24 -0500 (EST) Stephen Powell wrote: Manufacturers are not doing this because the consumer wants it. They are doing it to cut costs. /snip/ they get away with it beca

Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware

2010-12-31 Thread briand
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:08:27 -0500 Doug wrote: > On 12/31/2010 12:50 PM, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:03:24 -0500 (EST) > > Stephen Powell wrote: > > > >> Manufacturers are not doing this because the consumer wants it. > >> They are doing it to cut costs. > /snip/ > > the

Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware

2010-12-31 Thread Doug
On 12/31/2010 12:50 PM, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:03:24 -0500 (EST) Stephen Powell wrote: Manufacturers are not doing this because the consumer wants it. They are doing it to cut costs. /snip/ they get away with it because most people run windows, the mfr provides the

Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware (was: Monitor question)

2010-12-31 Thread briand
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:03:24 -0500 (EST) Stephen Powell wrote: > > Manufacturers are not doing this because the consumer wants it. They > are doing it to cut costs. And they think they can get away with it. > And sadly, in most cases, they are right. Most consumers can't even > tell that they

Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware (was: Monitor question)

2010-12-30 Thread Stephen Powell
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:35:49 -0500 (EST), Charlie wrote: > On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:23:30 +0100 Simon Hollenbach wrote: >> Stephen Powell wrote: >>> ... >>> You might enjoy my anti-winmodem rant in the following web page: >>> >>>      http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/tp600.htm >>> >>> It's in the

Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware (was: Monitor question)

2010-12-30 Thread Simon Hollenbach
- Original message - > On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:23:30 +0100 Simon Hollenbach > shared this with us all: > > > - Original message - > > > You might enjoy my anti-winmodem rant in the following web page: > > > > > >        http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/tp600.htm > > Link broken,

Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware (was: Monitor question)

2010-12-30 Thread Charlie
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:23:30 +0100 Simon Hollenbach shared this with us all: >- Original message - >> You might enjoy my anti-winmodem rant in the following web page: >> >>      http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/tp600.htm >Link broken, most certainly u meant: >http://users.wowway.com/~zl

Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware (was: Monitor question)

2010-12-30 Thread Simon Hollenbach
- Original message - > You might enjoy my anti-winmodem rant in the following web page: > >      http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/tp600.htm Link broken, most certainly u meant: http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/tp600.htm > It's in the "Crucial Background Information" section. >    .'

[OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware (was: Monitor question)

2010-12-30 Thread Stephen Powell
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:53:00 -0500 (EST), Klistvud wrote: > ... > I would go with George Carlin here: When you see how stupid an average > consumer is, consider that half of them are even more stupid than that. > ... I enjoyed your rant. It reminds me of the "winmodems" which have been rammed