Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/29/06 11:28, Nelson Castillo wrote: >> Anyhow, he said that most amusing thing about Microsoft was that they >> are just getting around now to solving the problems that UNIX solved 20 >> years ago or more and still managing to make new mistakes i

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-29 Thread Nelson Castillo
Anyhow, he said that most amusing thing about Microsoft was that they are just getting around now to solving the problems that UNIX solved 20 years ago or more and still managing to make new mistakes in the process. This is rather fun. I remember that in 1995 I didn't now UNIX (I used to live in

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 08:40:16AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > > Wouldn't the new way be the old way. I often say that the problems that > Microsoft is "solving" with Windows now were solved 20+ years ago under the > Unix(-like) tools. Prime example would be remote desktops. Windows only > r

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Having worked at places which are majority windows and minority *nix, I > can honestly say that the windows approach tends to encourage "tasking" > of "junior" level admins to repetitive tasks by hand, because the > "senior" admins don't want to do it themselves (i.e., t

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 01:54:19PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > > Joe, for that reason I have always suggested and done Cygwin > installations. It allows for the *nix commands. Does present much of the > ability. There are many other things that can be installed on a Windows > machine that allows

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-26 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 12:52 +, Joe wrote: [...snip...] > The Windows command line, especially on servers, has come a long way > from DOS, it can read and write files, it can pipe, it can control > complex permissions and other Active Directory features... but it > still doesn't have the large r

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-24 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 12:52:24PM +, Joe wrote: > > Not exactly foreign, as many essential admin tools are command-line > only, or at least easier to do from the command line than elsewhere. > Ipconfig returns the same kind of data as ifconfig, and also allows > some DNS and DHCP cache contro

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-24 Thread Joe
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I'm not a windows guy, so I am not sure about scripting. Perhaps there is a way as you suggest, but all of the windows admins I personally know are only able to get around in the GUI. The concept of scripting anything is foreign to them. Not exactly foreign, as ma

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-23 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 05:26:06PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: > Most hosting facilities do allow FrontPage and/or FTP access...FrontPage > does allow SSL connections but few people set it up which is sad. FTP > is clear and is probably the most common way to allow access to M$ > Websites and no t

RE: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-23 Thread Stephen Yorke
free SSH Servers out there for Windows and I like freeSSHd. -Original Message- From: Roberto C. Sanchez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:41 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 08:10:08AM -0500

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-19 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-11-06 13:42:08, schrieb Ron Johnson: > Linux crashed? That's bad. It is coded to do so, since it prevent Jackpots :-P Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Li

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-16 Thread Steve Lamb
Stephen Yorke wrote: > To each their own BUT... But nothing. > Now look at 2003...it is rock solid in my thoughts unless you are > looking at the WWW/HTML/.NET patches which were released recently but > then again if you are looking at those and saying the OS is unsecure you > must be running

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-10 Thread Mike McCarty
Stephen Yorke wrote: To each their own BUT... No need for a "BUT". To each his own. Full Stop. [snip] Just remember this...your OS is only as secure as you are and if you do not know how to secure it you shouldn't be using it. The only real security is physical security. Anyone who wants t

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 08:10:08AM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: > > M$'s OS is ready...if you want some WWW Sites or servers which you think > you can hack or take down let me know and I will setup a couple and let > you go at it. If you hack them cool tell me how I can better my > security if not

RE: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-10 Thread Stephen Yorke
some day but that is not going to happen anytime soon. -Stephen -Original Message- From: Scarletdown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 3:29 AM To: debian Subject: Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 16:04 +0100, steef wrote: > the fear

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-10 Thread Scarletdown
On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 16:04 +0100, steef wrote: > the fear of microsoft to get kicked out of markets. > We can only hope that may be the case some day. After all, Windows is hardly ready for the desktop let alone the server markets. :D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-06 Thread Matthew Krauss
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/06/06 12:53, Matthew Krauss wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] Coolness, sounds like good news for your career too! This reminded me, I was in a casino and saw a video slot machine cra

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/06/06 12:53, Matthew Krauss wrote: > Steve Lamb wrote: >> Ron Johnson wrote: >> [snip] > Coolness, sounds like good news for your career too! This reminded me, > I was in a casino and saw a video slot machine crash -- someone came by > and reb

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-06 Thread Matthew Krauss
Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: But because of their lock on the desktop, they also have incredible userland and developer mindshare. You sure? I had a rather interesting conversation at work the other day. I work at a casino outside of Vegas and the guy in charge of what te

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-05 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/05/06 12:28, Steve Lamb wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> But because of their lock on the desktop, they also have incredible >> userland and developer mindshare. > > You sure? I had a rather interesting conversation at work the other day. >

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-05 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: > But because of their lock on the desktop, they also have incredible > userland and developer mindshare. You sure? I had a rather interesting conversation at work the other day. I work at a casino outside of Vegas and the guy in charge of what technology we use for our pr

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-04 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/04/06 19:07, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 11:28:54AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> My eyes see lots of ProLiants running Win Server 2K3, and only some >> running Linux, HP-UX and a few running z/OS & OpenVMS. > > Really? My

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-04 Thread John Hasler
Ron Johnson wrote: > The fact that MSFT's *income* in *always* increasing is prima facia > evidence that MSFT is winning... Winning what? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-04 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 11:28:54AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > My eyes see lots of ProLiants running Win Server 2K3, and only some > running Linux, HP-UX and a few running z/OS & OpenVMS. > Really? My eyes see about 12 racks of proliants and Suns, all running Linux (except for one SunFire runn

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-04 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/03/06 20:20, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Nov 03 08:55 > -0600]: >> On (03/11/06 07:48), Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: [snip] > Microsoft's motives are clear, they want to be dominant the > player in IT. However, the

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-04 Thread David Baron
On Saturday 04 November 2006 04:20, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Nov 03 08:55 -0600]: > > On (03/11/06 07:48), Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Google news reports that M$ is going to collaborate with Novell on Suse > > > Linux. > > > I wonder what th

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-03 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Nov 03 08:55 -0600]: > On (03/11/06 07:48), Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Google news reports that M$ is going to collaborate with Novell on Suse > > Linux. > > I wonder what that means... ;-) > > Interesting but when you sup with the devil,

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-03 Thread Miles Bader
Max Hyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It sounds as if this effort includes a significant attempt to > reinvigorate the rapidly-cooling ``you can get sued for using Linux'' > FUD. > > As part of the agreement, Microsoft said it would > not file patent infringement suits against customer

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-03 Thread Max Hyre
Gentlefolk: It sounds as if this effort includes a significant attempt to reinvigorate the rapidly-cooling ``you can get sued for using Linux'' FUD. From the NYTimes article: (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/03/business/03soft.html?ei=5070&en=d4fb3a0a5a8877ae&ex=1163221200&adxnnl=1&emc=eta1&

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-03 Thread Gregory Seidman
On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 04:04:39PM +0100, steef wrote: } Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: } >Hi, } > } >Google news reports that M$ is going to collaborate with Novell on } >Suse Linux. } >I wonder what that means... ;-) } > } >H } > } > } yes. one of our (dutch) regional papers writes about this deal. thei

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-03 Thread steef
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, Google news reports that M$ is going to collaborate with Novell on Suse Linux. I wonder what that means... ;-) H yes. one of our (dutch) regional papers writes about this deal. their (novell and m$) aim is a 'collaboration' of software between window$ and linux

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-03 Thread Clive Menzies
On (03/11/06 07:48), Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Hi, > > Google news reports that M$ is going to collaborate with Novell on Suse > Linux. > I wonder what that means... ;-) Interesting but when you sup with the devil, you need a very long spoon. MS has a history of signing agreements with poten

[OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-03 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Hi, Google news reports that M$ is going to collaborate with Novell on Suse Linux. I wonder what that means... ;-) H -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]