Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-03-03 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 01:21:50PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Yuriy Kuznetsov wrote: > > This link appeared on gmail page. Kind of Micro$oft about Micro$oft > > propaganda. Nice one ;o) > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/ireland/getthefacts/default.mspx > > And I knew for sure: that airlin

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-03-03 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yuriy Kuznetsov wrote: > This link appeared on gmail page. Kind of Micro$oft about Micro$oft > propaganda. Nice one ;o) > > http://www.microsoft.com/ireland/getthefacts/default.mspx And I knew for sure: that airline went bankrupt... -BEGIN PGP SI

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-28 Thread Dave Thayer
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 07:15:14PM +0100, Dan H. wrote: > I am on "my own" machine and I am able to write to local drives. I've > successfully installed Opera, but I can't install Openoffice (because > that requires root -- oops, "administrator" privileges) nor cygqin > (because its can't go throu

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-27 Thread Christopher Bradley
actually opera does have tabs (since before firefox) and does have a wand which remembers passwords. Before firefox, i used it as the best alternate to explorer when I have to use a windows machine. But why not load firefox? If you got opera on, firefox should be doable. If loading is an issue, you

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-27 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 07:15:14PM +0100, Dan H. wrote: > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 02:57:30AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Actually, if he's got his own machine, then he can install the > > portableapps applications locally, without a flash drive. It's much > > faster that way, in fact, at the unive

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-27 Thread Dan H.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 07:18:38AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > Coporate IT is driven by sweetheart deals from suppliers to IT > management. It is full of fiefdoms and "not invented here" syndromes. > It is a meca to the power hungry and the control freaks. It has little > to do with helping th

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-27 Thread Dan H.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 02:57:30AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: Actually, if he's got his own machine, then he can install the > portableapps applications locally, without a flash drive. It's much > faster that way, in fact, at the university I copy portable firefox to > the machine I'm sitting at an

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-27 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 27/02/2008, Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Of course I read Dilbert. And I am full aware of the corporate IT > > environment. But I'm still 30-young and think that I can change the > > world by trying. I'm so naive that I encourage others to do the same. > > I know that I'm doo

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Jamin Davis
Dan H. wrote: I know cygwin, and it is on my to-be-installed list. I can't live without find and grep and xargs and... well, a lot of good grep will do me in a world full of Word documents.. ;-) There was a .DOC to text filter prog, Antiword that could be used in a pipe with grep ;) -- Jami

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Feb 26 08:00 -0600]: > Of course I read Dilbert. And I am full aware of the corporate IT > environment. But I'm still 30-young and think that I can change the > world by trying. I'm so naive that I encourage others to do the same. > I know that I'm doomed to

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:22:31AM -0600, Chuck Rhode wrote: > By my count that six arguments anti to two pro. IT wins! ...in the context of duplicating processes which are mission-critical and/or changing the location of sensitive data. Most of those anti arguments don't really apply to such th

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Chuck Rhode
Dotan Cohen wrote this on Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 02:53:51PM +0200. My reply is below. > If using a portable app makes no permanent changes to the machine, > why should it not be allowed? This is the old, old End-User Programming argument, isn't it? ... so let's say you are a clerk (flunky) who kn

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 26/02/2008, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > *** Major snip *** > > > I'm setting an example. > > > Let's not break your arm pattin' yourself on the back. > > More people then you think are doing the same thing you claim to be > doing - thus, you are NOT setting an ex

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 08:34:23AM -0600, Chris wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > *** Major snip *** > >I'm setting an example. > > Let's not break your arm pattin' yourself on the back. > > More people then you think are doing the same thing you claim to be > doing - thus, you are NOT setting an ex

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 26/02/2008, Richard Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 03:54:06PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > [...] > > > > > My attitude has gotten my university and my local green club to send > > documents in PDF instead of Word, and I write to sites that do not > > display prop

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Andrius
Dotan Cohen wrote: On 26/02/2008, Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Additionally, they can see that running these programs are important > to the user. Remember, IT is there to HELP the user do what he needs, > not prevent him from doing what he needs. In a perfect world, perhaps.

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Richard Lyons
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 03:54:06PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: [...] > > My attitude has gotten my university and my local green club to send > documents in PDF instead of Word, and I write to sites that do not > display properly in Firefox. I write to software houses (Adobe) > requesting they port

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Walt L. Williams
On Tuesday 26 February 2008 06:38:31 am Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Coporate IT is driven by sweetheart deals from suppliers to IT > > management. It is full of fiefdoms and "not invented here" syndromes. > > It is

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Chris
Dotan Cohen wrote: *** Major snip *** I'm setting an example. Let's not break your arm pattin' yourself on the back. More people then you think are doing the same thing you claim to be doing - thus, you are NOT setting an example. You're not that important to claim such a remark/comment.

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 26/02/2008, Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Additionally, they can see that running these programs are important > > to the user. Remember, IT is there to HELP the user do what he needs, > > not prevent him from doing what he needs. > > In a perfect world, perhaps. In real life,

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Coporate IT is driven by sweetheart deals from suppliers to IT > management. It is full of fiefdoms and "not invented here" syndromes. > It is a meca to the power hungry and the control freaks. It has little > to do

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Feb 26 06:59 -0600]: > On 26/02/2008, Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Actually, if he's got his own machine, then he can install the > > > portableapps applications locally, without a flash drive. It's much > > > faster that way, in fact, at

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 26/02/2008, Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, if he's got his own machine, then he can install the > > portableapps applications locally, without a flash drive. It's much > > faster that way, in fact, at the university I copy portable firefox to > > the machine I'm sitti

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Feb 25 19:03 -0600]: > Actually, if he's got his own machine, then he can install the > portableapps applications locally, without a flash drive. It's much > faster that way, in fact, at the university I copy portable firefox to > the machine I'm sitting at

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Cousin Stanley
> > I can't live without find and grep and xargs and ... > well, a lot of good grep will do me in a world > full of Word documents.. ;-) Haven't tried Windows Grep myself, but it might at least be worth a look http://www.wingrep.com/ -- Stanley C. Kitching Human Being

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Damon L. Chesser
Dan H. wrote: Well, I guess the subject caught your attention after all. Of course I'm not saying goodbye to Debian, at least not voluntarily and certainly not at home. But I just changed jobs, and so moved from a self- administered Debian box to a locked-up, preinstalled all-M$ Dell thing. M$ O

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 25/02/2008, Elf & Dmitryi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Portable Apps allow running everything off the flash drive and have the > app/user data saved on the flash drive, too. So basically it's what it > says - e. g. Firefox is portable on a flash drive with all the > bookmarks, history and set

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Raj Kiran Grandhi
Dan H. wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 09:15:47PM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: Remember everything you've noted when the Microsofties remind you that Linux "is not ready for the desktop". I must admit though that I was pretty annoyed when my wife wanted to use sound on our home Debian box and

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Yuriy Kuznetsov
This link appeared on gmail page. Kind of Micro$oft about Micro$oft propaganda. Nice one ;o) http://www.microsoft.com/ireland/getthefacts/default.mspx

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Elf & Dmitryi
Portable Apps allow running everything off the flash drive and have the app/user data saved on the flash drive, too. So basically it's what it says - e. g. Firefox is portable on a flash drive with all the bookmarks, history and settings. A properly set-up flash drive with all the portable apps doe

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Dan H.
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 09:15:47PM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > Remember everything you've noted when the Microsofties remind you that > Linux "is not ready for the desktop". I must admit though that I was pretty annoyed when my wife wanted to use sound on our home Debian box and it took me qui

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Dan H.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 07:15:27AM +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: > Well, you have just begun. Wait till you experience the real horrors of > windows, aka viruses, spyware, adware, etc, though with your unix like > browsing habits, you may be less prone to be fooled by malware sites. Yeah, ther

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Dan H.
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 04:18:03PM -0600, Elf & Dmitryi wrote: > Here's a couple things... > > http://mcnlive.org/ - MCN Live, a live CD that can also be installed on > a flash drive. There's Knoppix, too. http://www.knopper.de > > http://www.sysresccd.org/ - another live CD that can edit Windows

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian or Microsoft going open source

2008-02-25 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:22:58PM +0100, Misko wrote: > Now that MS is going open source (it was on evening national TV news in my > country) things are surely going to be better :) > As mentioned news was not very clear can somebody explain what did > MS actually made available? Is it source code

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian or Microsoft going open source

2008-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/08 05:22, Misko wrote: > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 04:12:31PM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: >>> Boy, what a piece of crap. It boggles the mind. This is how the world's >>> office workers get their work done? Or do they? >> It seems implausible,

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian or Microsoft going open source

2008-02-25 Thread Misko
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 04:12:31PM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: > > Boy, what a piece of crap. It boggles the mind. This is how the world's > > office workers get their work done? Or do they? > > It seems implausible, doesn't it? > I used to be fairly efficent on Windows, but it took a lot of twe

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-24 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Dan H. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Feb 24 15:57 -0600]: > WTF? Am I missing something here? Nope. You're right on the mark. Remember everything you've noted when the Microsofties remind you that Linux "is not ready for the desktop". - Nate >> P.S. Sounds like you went to work for the company I

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-24 Thread Raj Kiran Grandhi
Dan H. wrote: Well, I guess the subject caught your attention after all. Of course I'm not saying goodbye to Debian, at least not voluntarily and certainly not at home. But I just changed jobs, and so moved from a self- administered Debian box to a locked-up, preinstalled all-M$ Dell thing. M$ O

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-24 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Dan H. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I guess the subject caught your attention after all. > > Of course I'm not saying goodbye to Debian, at least not voluntarily and > certainly not at home. But I just changed jobs, and so moved from a self- > administered

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-24 Thread Elf & Dmitryi
Here's a couple things... http://mcnlive.org/ - MCN Live, a live CD that can also be installed on a flash drive. There's Knoppix, too. http://www.knopper.de http://www.sysresccd.org/ - another live CD that can edit Windows NT passwords. http://portableapps.com/ has a collection of Firefox, Filez

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-24 Thread Richard Lyons
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 10:52:00PM +0100, Dan H. wrote: > Well, I guess the subject caught your attention after all. > > Of course I'm not saying goodbye to Debian, at least not voluntarily and > certainly not at home. But I just changed jobs, and so moved from a self- > administered Debian box t

[OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-24 Thread Dan H.
Well, I guess the subject caught your attention after all. Of course I'm not saying goodbye to Debian, at least not voluntarily and certainly not at home. But I just changed jobs, and so moved from a self- administered Debian box to a locked-up, preinstalled all-M$ Dell thing. M$ Office, M$IE, Lot