Marc Wilson wrote:
> I don't know... why do you bother to subscribe to a mailing list, when you
> can't be bothered to *read* it before whining about someone else's
> posting?
>
> Or did you not notice that I *did* define the terms?
I noticed, and I also noticed the tone you used. I just don't
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:31:25PM +0100, John L. Fjellstad wrote:
> Marc Wilson wrote:
>
> > Is there a reason to not actually bother reading the man page for apt-get
> > and learning the difference between the two targets?
>
> Why do you bother answer, when giving the answer makes you so uncom
ence between update and dist-upgrade as the
> manual describes it and as it's be re-quoted here a few times.
>
> My question is if sources.list specifies "woody" instead of "stable" so
> dist-upgrade will not someday upgrade to sarge" and since a "sta
since a "stable"
> > distribution should not change dependencies, IS there a difference
> > between using "upgrade" vs. "dist-upgrade" in that case?
> >
> > I don't see that there is a difference.
>
> I think the answer is "p
IS there a difference
> between using "upgrade" vs. "dist-upgrade" in that case?
>
> I don't see that there is a difference.
I think the answer is "probably not", but why not err on the side of
caution? I think it's kind of like the difference betwe
ist-upgrade will not someday upgrade to sarge" and since a "stable"
distribution should not change dependencies, IS there a difference
between using "upgrade" vs. "dist-upgrade" in that case?
I don't see that there is a difference.
Now, regarding a system runn
Hello Thanasis!
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 09:38:18PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
Let me rephrase that: Given that it is (for a system tracking testing)
at times necessary to do `dist-upgrade', is there any reason not to do
it always?
A quote from man apt-get
|dist-upgrade, in addition to performi
Marc Wilson wrote:
> Is there a reason to not actually bother reading the man page for apt-get
> and learning the difference between the two targets?
Why do you bother answer, when giving the answer makes you so uncomfortable?
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John L. Fjellstad___
scripsit Marc Wilson:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:57:16PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> > I wonder the same thing as Marc.
>
> You're not wondering the same thing as me... I know perfectly well
> what the two targets do. It's Bill Moseley who's doing the wondering.
Sorry, brain-finger connect
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 02:11:30AM +0100, Benedict Verheyen wrote:
> ? So you automatically assume that when a person reads the man
> page he understands what's being said?
> That's not the best assumption IMHO.
No. I assume that if a person reads the man page, and does not understand
it, he will
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:57:16PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> I wonder the same thing as Marc.
You're not wondering the same thing as me... I know perfectly well what the
two targets do. It's Bill Moseley who's doing the wondering.
> I always do dist-upgrade also. Since I also always use -
Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:41:27PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
>> Is there a reason to use or not use dist-upgrade on Woody machines
>> for security updates?
>
> Is there a reason to not actually bother reading the man page for
> apt-get and learning the difference between th
scripsit Bill Moseley:
> On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 11:13:22PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
[snip]
> > 'upgrade' - apt CAN'T change a package's installation state
> > 'dist-upgrade' - apt CAN change a package's installation state
[snip]
> Therefore, it's been my assumption that in that case dist
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 11:13:22PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:41:27PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
> > Is there a reason to use or not use dist-upgrade on Woody machines for
> > security updates?
>
> Is there a reason to not actually bother reading the man page for apt-ge
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:41:27PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
> Is there a reason to use or not use dist-upgrade on Woody machines for
> security updates?
Is there a reason to not actually bother reading the man page for apt-get
and learning the difference between the two targets?
'upgrade'
I always use dist-upgrade on my Woody machine when security
announcements come out. I do this out of habit -- I think early on I
had problems with just "upgrade".
Is there a reason to use or not use dist-upgrade on Woody machines for
security updates?
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Bill Moseley
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Am Di, den 04.11.2003 schrieb Benedict Verheyen um 10:55:
> Hi,
>
> when cloning a system via the dpkg --get-selection, dpkg --set-selection
> method, it's advised to do a apt-get dselect-upgrade instead of
> apt-get dist-upgrade. I do not understand why.
>From the man page (man apt-get):
Hi,
when cloning a system via the dpkg --get-selection, dpkg --set-selection
method, it's advised to do a apt-get dselect-upgrade instead of
apt-get dist-upgrade. I do not understand why.
Also, if you would use aptitude, what would be the correct way
of doing this?
Thanks,
Benedict
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To UNSUB
on a side note, i've been wodering something. i have two boxes, one potato, one
woody. from what i understand, the "dist-upgrade" will let some packages to be
removed (converted) to other (replacement) packages while "upgrade" won't.
on that thought, on the potato box... sources.list points to "
On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 11:00:58PM +0100, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote:
> Bob Koss wrote:
>
> > Viktor> So, if you "upgrade" to woody, better use "dist-upgrade".
> >
> > If I'm already tracking woody, should I be routinely using "upgrade"
> > or "dist-upgrade" ?
>
> dist-upgrade.
>
> Now followin
Bob Koss wrote:
> Viktor> So, if you "upgrade" to woody, better use "dist-upgrade".
>
> If I'm already tracking woody, should I be routinely using "upgrade"
> or "dist-upgrade" ?
dist-upgrade.
Now following the thread, there seems to be some discussion about the
answer. Some people suggest
On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 04:38:59AM -0500, Bob Koss wrote:
> If I'm already tracking woody, should I be routinely using "upgrade"
> or "dist-upgrade" ?
You can always use dist-upgrade or you can routinely use upgrade and
only dist-upgrade when packages are listed as having been held back.
Either wa
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 09:02:38PM -0500, Bob Underwood wrote:
> IIRC, some have suggested a cycle of "upgrade" followed by "dist-upgrade"
> when moving from one distribution to another. Is there an advantage to this
> as regards split/packages, changed directory structures, etc.?
I'm one of th
On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 04:38:59AM -0500, Bob Koss wrote:
> > "Viktor" == Viktor Rosenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Viktor> You are mostly correct. IIRC, if the package structure
> Viktor> changes, e.g. some packages get split up and others are
> Viktor> added, then "upgrade"
On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 04:38:59AM -0500, Bob Koss wrote:
> If I'm already tracking woody, should I be routinely using "upgrade"
> or "dist-upgrade" ?
>
upgrade
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> "Viktor" == Viktor Rosenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Viktor> You are mostly correct. IIRC, if the package structure
Viktor> changes, e.g. some packages get split up and others are
Viktor> added, then "upgrade" won't handle that and only upgrade
Viktor> the packages you
On Wednesday 31 October 2001 17:57, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote:
> Mike Fontenot wrote:
> > Is my interpretation correct, or have I misunderstood
> > the man page? (My main concern is that I don't want to
> > accidentally upgrade to woody).
>
> You are mostly correct. IIRC, if the package structure ch
Mike Fontenot wrote:
> Is my interpretation correct, or have I misunderstood
> the man page? (My main concern is that I don't want to
> accidentally upgrade to woody).
You are mostly correct. IIRC, if the package structure changes, e.g.
some packages get split up and others are added, then "upg
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 02:47:21PM -0700, Mike Fontenot wrote:
> Is my interpretation correct, or have I misunderstood
> the man page? (My main concern is that I don't want to
> accidentally upgrade to woody).
You are correct.
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When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorist
The names of the apt commands "upgrade" and
"dist-upgrade" sound like they differ according
to whether or not the updating is within the
current distribution (e.g., potato), or from
one distribution to another (e.g., potato to
woody). I've seen postings in which this view
was stated, and not chal
Ole Sebastian Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What are the differences between apt-get upgrade and apt-get
>dist-upgrade?
Look in the apt-get(8) man page:
upgrade
upgrade is used to install the newest versions of
all packages currently installed on the syste
What are the differences between apt-get upgrade and apt-get
dist-upgrade?
I wonder which to use. Currently I use testing and upgrade every day
or so. Would there have been any differences if I used another dist
(ie. woody or potato)?
Thank you.
--
Ole Sebastian Stein
``It is a mistake to th
On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 10:04:25PM -0500, Marc Sherman wrote:
> What's the difference between apt-get upgrade and
> apt-get dist-upgrade?
Just doing "upgrade" will not upgrade any packages that:
a) Require installing new packages that are not currently installed
b) Require removing packages that
apt-get upgrade will attempt to upgrade the packages which you currently
have installed on your system. If any of those upgrades require that
additional packages be removed or installed then the said package(s)
will be held back.
apt-get dist-upgrade will attempt to upgrade all packages, installin
What's the difference between apt-get upgrade and
apt-get dist-upgrade?
Thanks,
- Marc
I can't remember where I read it, but I read that, in reference to
potato, to keep an installation up-to-date one should run apt-get
with the upgrade option and with the dist-upgrade option. Is this
true? I ran apt-get dist-upgrade when I moved from slink to potato,
but since, I've just used the up
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