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Mirko Scurk wrote:
> Michelle Konzack wrote:
>> Am 2007-03-20 10:32:06, schrieb H.S.:
>>> I agree with this. In my experience, one can choose to configure every
>>> detail in Ubuntu by editing configuration files, the same way as in
>>> Debian. At the
Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2007-03-20 10:32:06, schrieb H.S.:
>> I agree with this. In my experience, one can choose to configure every
>> detail in Ubuntu by editing configuration files, the same way as in
>> Debian. At the same time, Ubuntu also automates many things and provides
>> a nice sim
Am 2007-03-20 17:57:14, schrieb Andrew Sackville-West:
> it appears to me that there are two paths into testing for security
> fixes: sid or testing security. Is it possible for a security fix to
> bypass sid and make it into testing? Obviously there would be some
> upstream method for dealing with
Am 2007-03-20 06:43:00, schrieb Steve Lamb:
> Oddly enough dist-upgrade never worked for me on Debian and largely never
> gets used because I can't stand being on software so old.
??? -- I do distupgrades using "apt-get"
since 8 years and it works perfectly...
> Because Ubuntu represent
Am 2007-03-21 00:30:10, schrieb Roberto C. Sánchez:
> But is it a forgone conclusion that *every* new security vulnerability
> is filed as a bug?
Yes there is...
> I know that occasionally upstream will just fix something for which
> there was no announced security advisory from anybody. I know
Am 2007-03-27 10:07:39, schrieb Dan H.:
> But at the same time Debian offers the "testing" and "unstable" distros,
> both of which are perfectly fine for the desktop user. There's no need
> to cling to stable unless you're running a server that must be 100%
> reliable.
Right!
> And if you must ha
Am 2007-03-20 07:35:12, schrieb Carl Fink:
> Didn't require as much inside knowledge to use with my hardware. (I could
> have installed Stable, then used backports.org and apt-get.org to get 95% of
> the software I needed, then compiled the rest, but it was all there in
> CentOS. Yes, Debian has
Am 2007-03-20 00:02:20, schrieb Carl Fink:
> Using. Not developing.
>
> I run Etch on my home box (the one I'm typing on now) but for servers it
> isn't always practical to use Testing, and that means you can almost never
> use a currently-in-production server with Debian, unless you want to
> ha
Am 2007-03-27 13:18:03, schrieb Roberto C. Sánchez:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 09:41:30AM -0700, Glen Pfeiffer wrote:
> >
> > I run etch and ask questions here and have never been told that I
> > should be using stable. What I *have* seen is when someone whines
> > and complains about the bugs they
Am 2007-03-26 18:44:54, schrieb Owen Heisler:
> In other words: in Debian, stability and quality is prioritized over
> timely releases. Which is good. (I will be patient.) And really, is
> there any other distribution that supports as many packages and
> architectures?
| Rel |Date
Am 2007-03-22 06:34:20, schrieb Michael Pobega:
> I didn't mean "seemed" in a way that I didn't know. I actually went to
> the forums everyday, and there WAS at least three topics about
> dist-upgrades breaking going from Dapper to Edgy, or Edgy to Feisty.
> Dist-upgrades to break here, but we hear
Am 2007-03-20 10:19:36, schrieb Joe Hart:
> It looks to me like we're getting a flame war. Why can't all the Ubuntu
> users go to the ubuntu forums and mailing lists and leave this list alone?
I am GNU/Linux Developer (not Debian) I run all 4 releases
from Unstable, over Testing and Stabe to OldS
Am 2007-03-20 10:32:06, schrieb H.S.:
> I agree with this. In my experience, one can choose to configure every
> detail in Ubuntu by editing configuration files, the same way as in
> Debian. At the same time, Ubuntu also automates many things and provides
> a nice simple GUI for others (source pack
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Andrei Popescu wrote:
> Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> That is a reason not to use Sidux. The devs of Sidux specifically say
>> that aptitude and Sid don't get along well because aptitude has
>> trouble keeping up with fast moving dependenc
Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That is a reason not to use Sidux. The devs of Sidux specifically say
> that aptitude and Sid don't get along well because aptitude has
> trouble keeping up with fast moving dependencies.
Do you have a reference for this? I am using aptitude with sid for mor
On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 22:57 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> "Michael M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If I knew, for example, that for up to six months out of every two
> > years, testing will be frozen, I could live with that. If that were
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the freeze s
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Michael M. wrote:
[snip]
>> Why don't we reframe this as: What is the best OS/Distro for Michael?
>>
>> Perhaps you have some conflicting needs that requires a non-standard
>> answer? I _think_ that what I hear that you want is:
>>
>> More
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Michael M. wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 19:39 +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>
>> The problem with Ubuntu is that while it is based on Debian, several key
>> items are different (restricted modules, sudo/root, etc.) to make it not
>> appealing to many Debia
"Michael M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What would be the differences between running Sidux and Sid? The [1]
> "Why Should I Use Sidux?" page seems to stress security & package
> timeliness over stability, so I'm wondering whether Sidux is any more
> stable than Sid. It kind of sounds like the
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Mathias Brodala wrote:
> Hello Joe.
>
> Joe Hart, 31.03.2007 21:38:
>> Greg Folkert wrote:
>>> "To infinity^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HLenny... and beyond!"
>> I wonder how many people will not understand that. You know that only
>> well educated or old-timers k
On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 10:57:42PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> "Michael M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If I knew, for example, that for up to six months out of every two
> > years, testing will be frozen, I could live with that. If that were
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the f
On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 21:38 +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>
> Greg Folkert wrote:
> >
> > "To infinity^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HLenny... and beyond!"
>
> I wonder how many people will not understand that. You know that only
> well educated or old-timers know those control characters. ^G^L
Anyone who reads Sla
On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 19:39 +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> The problem with Ubuntu is that while it is based on Debian, several key
> items are different (restricted modules, sudo/root, etc.) to make it not
> appealing to many Debian purists. Sidux on the other hand offers 100%
> compatibility with Deb
"Michael M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I knew, for example, that for up to six months out of every two
> years, testing will be frozen, I could live with that. If that were
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the freeze started only about 4
months ago and it looks like it will end in April
On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 09:51 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 05:41:45AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
>
> > What has made Debian a great fit for me over the past months is its
> > beefed up efforts to make testing a more viable option for users (for
> > example, by providing
Hello Joe.
Joe Hart, 31.03.2007 21:38:
> Greg Folkert wrote:
>> "To infinity^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HLenny... and beyond!"
>
> I wonder how many people will not understand that. You know that only
> well educated or old-timers know those control characters. ^G^L
Not true. Interested youngsters do know t
Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "To infinity^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HLenny... and beyond!"
>
> I wonder how many people will not understand that. You know that only
> well educated or old-timers know those control characters. ^G^L
I was wondering about that, but didn't even know where to start
s
On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 21:28 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > No, really, Sid typically isn't for the faint of heart. A few weeks
> > after Etch release, Sid is gonna be a bumpy ride for a month or more.
> >
> > "To infinity^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HLenny... and beyo
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Greg Folkert wrote:
[snip]
> Xfce is also much newer than in sid or etch. Perhaps you'd be interested
> to know about experimental. GNOME in experimental has crept up to 2.18.
> 2.2 OO.o has rc stuff right now, a bit buggy due to mixed RCs, but very
>
On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 09:28:48PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > No, really, Sid typically isn't for the faint of heart. A few weeks
> > after Etch release, Sid is gonna be a bumpy ride for a month or more.
> >
> > "To infinity^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HLenny..
Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, really, Sid typically isn't for the faint of heart. A few weeks
> after Etch release, Sid is gonna be a bumpy ride for a month or more.
>
> "To infinity^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HLenny... and beyond!"
Sid too? I thought only testing. But this means I will be ab
On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 19:39 +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 05:41:45AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 16:42 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:35:02AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> >
> >>> If Debian worrie
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Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 05:41:45AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
>> On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 16:42 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:35:02AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
>
>>> If Debian worried about sticking
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 05:41:45AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 16:42 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:35:02AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> > If Debian worried about sticking to a schedule rather than worrying
> > about the stability of the product, you
On Thu, 2007-03-29 at 13:45 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> It can take a while for a newish Debian user to get used to the Debian way.
> My preference is to stay somewhat 'behind the curve', but yours appears to
> be to stay somewhat 'ahead of the curve'.
Yes, somewhat, though I tend to think of
anoop aryal wrote:
On Thursday 29 March 2007 14:55, Steve Lamb wrote:
anoop aryal wrote:
i'll take etch when it's good and ready and not a day before. i'd rather
have a working OS, free of bugs, late than a half baked, bug-ridden POS,
on time.
Then you'll be waiting forever
On Thursday 29 March 2007 14:55, Steve Lamb wrote:
> anoop aryal wrote:
> > i'll take etch when it's good and ready and not a day before. i'd rather
> > have a working OS, free of bugs, late than a half baked, bug-ridden POS,
> > on time.
>
> Then you'll be waiting forever because even Debian d
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 02:38:30PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 09:41:37AM -0400, Roberto C. S�nchez wrote:
> >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 05:41:45AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> >>> Which begs the question, "Is Debian made for me?"
> >>>
> >> Begging the
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 09:00:18AM -0300, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote:
> Hell, lots of people are missusing that phrase.
> Which begs the question: Are they wrong?
>
>It raises the question. And the answer is yes.
>
>Everybody behaving in a certain way does not make it ri
anoop aryal wrote:
> i'll take etch when it's good and ready and not a day before. i'd rather have
> a working OS, free of bugs, late than a half baked, bug-ridden POS, on time.
Then you'll be waiting forever because even Debian does not ship stable
releases "free" of bugs.
--
Stev
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 11:36:22AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-03-27 at 09:37 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> > As was already pointed out, if you want the latest and greatest, then
> > run with testing or unstable. I wager that they are easily as stable
> > (if not more so) than
On Tue, 2007-03-27 at 09:37 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> As was already pointed out, if you want the latest and greatest, then
> run with testing or unstable. I wager that they are easily as stable
> (if not more so) than other popular distros (like FC, for example).
As stated, I've been
On Wednesday 28 March 2007 09:50, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote:
> > It raises the question. And the answer is yes.
> >
> > Everybody behaving in a certain way does not make it right. Just as
> > everybody thinking something does not make it true.
>
> Except, of course,
On Monday 26 March 2007 13:35, Michael M. wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 15:28 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 05:37:00PM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> > > All that is to say that Ubuntu serves a purpose, and it's a valuable
> > > one, IMO. It's not for everybody; nor is Deb
> Everybody behaving in a certain way does not make it right. Just as
> everybody thinking something does not make it true.
Except, of course, when it comes to language, especially idioms, where
a
large enough group can make any foul syntax and grammar
correct. Remember,
Lexicographers not
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 07:50:04AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote:
> > It raises the question. And the answer is yes.
>
> > Everybody behaving in a certain way does not make it right. Just as
> > everybody thinking something does not make it true.
>
> Except, of
Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote:
> It raises the question. And the answer is yes.
> Everybody behaving in a certain way does not make it right. Just as
> everybody thinking something does not make it true.
Except, of course, when it comes to language, especially idioms, where a
large enoug
Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote:
Everybody behaving in a certain way does not make it right. Just as
everybody thinking something does not make it true.
Curly, Larry, or Shemp (I don't remember): I'm positive!
Moe: Only fools are positive.
C|L|S: Are you sure?
Moe: I'm positive!
(I don't kn
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Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 09:41:37AM -0400, Roberto C. S�nchez wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 05:41:45AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
>>> Which begs the question, "Is Debian made for me?"
>>>
>> Begging the question is a logical f
Hell, lots of people are missusing that phrase.
Which begs the question: Are they wrong?
It raises the question. And the answer is yes.
Everybody behaving in a certain way does not make it right. Just as
everybody thinking something does not make it true.
--
Chris.
==
Don't forget to c
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 09:41:37AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 05:41:45AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> > Which begs the question, "Is Debian made for me?"
> >
> Begging the question is a logical fallacy. What
> you are talking about is "raising the question."
Hell, l
Michael M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Like I said, it's the "when it's ready" attitude taken to the extreme --
> to the exclusion of providing users any kind of predictablility or
> expectations of timeliness -- that I don't like.
Go elsewhere, please! Debian's job, from day one, has been to
pr
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 07:06:03PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
>> In other words: Reviewers compare Debian stable against Ubuntu's beta
>> releases, which is an unfair comparison.
>>
> That sort of thing often makes me think that the reviewers have some
> sort of axe to
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 07:06:03PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
>
> In other words: Reviewers compare Debian stable against Ubuntu's beta
> releases, which is an unfair comparison.
>
That sort of thing often makes me think that the reviewers have some
sort of axe to grind against Debian.
Regards
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 12:14:35PM -0400, Max Hyre wrote:
> Michael Pobega wrote:
>
> > [Reviewers] don't understand the idea of the Debian
> > release schedule; It's aimed at servers, NOT home
> > computers.
>
>This one I disagree with. I've never heard a developer
> say ``I'm building this
Michael Pobega wrote:
> Debian, on the other hand, only gets negative PR.
That's largely true. Every review I've read leaves the
impression that Debian is problematic, even though the
review mentions some (often many) good points.
> Outside of the Debian community nobody really gives Debian
>
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 05:41:45AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 16:42 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:35:02AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> > >
> > > Call it what you want: schedule, timeline, target, whatever. The point
> > > is that the Debian Proje
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 09:41:30AM -0700, Glen Pfeiffer wrote:
>
> I run etch and ask questions here and have never been told that I
> should be using stable. What I *have* seen is when someone whines
> and complains about the bugs they find in etch/sid, they are told
> that if they can't deal wit
Michael M. wrote:
> The things you are suggesting are routinely and actively
> discouraged on this list -- apt-pinning, mixing branches. Yes
> you *can* do it, but be prepared to face the chorus of "you
> should be sticking to stable" when you ask for
I run etch and ask questions here and have ne
Michael M. wrote:
You don't have to defend Debian, at least not to me. Just don't try to
pretend that it is the perfect solution for everyone. The things you
are suggesting are routinely and actively discouraged on this list --
apt-pinning, mixing branches. Yes you *can* do it, but be prepared
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 05:41:45AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 16:42 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
>
> > If Debian worried about sticking to a schedule rather than worrying
> > about the stability of the product, you'd hear about a few more
> > missing astronauts and a couple o
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 03:53:01AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 14:45 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> > However, the predictability that it appears you want, timely releases at
> > predefined intervals, is not very likely to be realistic with Debian.
>
> That's exactly ri
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 16:42 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:35:02AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> >
> > Call it what you want: schedule, timeline, target, whatever. The point
> > is that the Debian Project doesn't value it enough to stick to it. I
> > doubt there's a larg
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 14:45 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> However, the predictability that it appears you want, timely releases at
> predefined intervals, is not very likely to be realistic with Debian.
That's exactly right, at least based on the history of the project and
its release cycles
Michael M. wrote:
> Like I said, it's the "when it's ready" attitude taken to the extreme --
> to the exclusion of providing users any kind of predictablility or
> expectations of timeliness -- that I don't like.
But at the same time Debian offers the "testing" and "unstable" distros,
both of whi
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 21:25 +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> Roberto wrote:
> > That's not really a fair characterization. The Debian project (release
> > managers, developers, et al) value the target dates. However, they
> > value completeness and stability *more* than the calendar.
>
> There should be
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:35:02AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 15:28 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 05:37:00PM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> > > All that is to say that Ubuntu serves a purpose, and it's a valuable
> > > one, IMO. It's not for everybody;
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Roberto � wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:35:02AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
>> The schedule that the release team puts together. It contains target
>> release dates. Debian missed its December target for Etch. It remains
>> to be seen whether it
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:35:02AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
>
> The schedule that the release team puts together. It contains target
> release dates. Debian missed its December target for Etch. It remains
> to be seen whether it will make the new target of 2 April 2007.
>
> Call it what you wa
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 15:28 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 05:37:00PM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> > All that is to say that Ubuntu serves a purpose, and it's a valuable
> > one, IMO. It's not for everybody; nor is Debian, nor any other distro
> > in particular. Ubuntu at l
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 00:30 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 11:26:08PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> > On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 23:15 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 03:27:21PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > that is the root of
On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 11:26:08PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 23:15 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 03:27:21PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > >
> > > > that is the root of why dist-upgrade breaks a lot of the time, and it
> > > > isn't really
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 23:15 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 03:27:21PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> >
> > > that is the root of why dist-upgrade breaks a lot of the time, and it
> > > isn't really a fault in Ubuntu, because they still provide their users
> > > with a
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 03:27:21PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
>
> > that is the root of why dist-upgrade breaks a lot of the time, and it
> > isn't really a fault in Ubuntu, because they still provide their users
> > with a lot of other things Debian doesn't. A huge forum (Our mailing
> > list
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 06:36:01AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> The only problem with that is that people tend to get aggravated when
> they testing and Sid freeze, because they feel that they're waiting
> for months for new packages to come into their version. I don't mind
> myself, but I unders
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 05:37:00PM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> All that is to say that Ubuntu serves a purpose, and it's a valuable
> one, IMO. It's not for everybody; nor is Debian, nor any other distro
> in particular. Ubuntu at least provides an experience quite similar to
> Debian while doing
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 04:55:51PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> Keep in mind Ubuntu is using the same system as Debian, but not using
> it the way it was meant to be used. Which is why Ubuntu debs don't
> work on Debian and vice-versa (For the most part). I personally think
Probably use differen
On 3/23/07, Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 09:25:09AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > to happen. Debian includes desktop users but is not focused on them.
> > But recently there was some interest in a 'desktop' group in de
On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 20:59 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 05:37:00PM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> > Personally, I'm getting a little
> > frustrated being stuck on Gnome 2.14 when 2.18 has been released. Etch
> > is two Gnome releases behind already, and Etch itself hasn'
On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 09:25:09AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > to happen. Debian includes desktop users but is not focused on them.
> > But recently there was some interest in a 'desktop' group in debian
> > to focus on this for lenny.
>
> Do you me
Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> to happen. Debian includes desktop users but is not focused on them.
> But recently there was some interest in a 'desktop' group in debian
> to focus on this for lenny.
Do you mean http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop ?
They are working since sarge was te
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 05:37:00PM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 06:34 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
>
>
> All that is to say that Ubuntu serves a purpose, and it's a valuable
> one, IMO. It's not for everybody; nor is Debian, nor any other distro
> in particular. Ubuntu at l
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 05:37:00PM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> Personally, I'm getting a little
> frustrated being stuck on Gnome 2.14 when 2.18 has been released. Etch
> is two Gnome releases behind already, and Etch itself hasn't even been
> released.
Out of curiousity, what features are in 2.18
On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 06:34 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> I didn't mean "seemed" in a way that I didn't know. I actually went to
> the forums everyday, and there WAS at least three topics about
> dist-upgrades breaking going from Dapper to Edgy, or Edgy to Feisty.
> Dist-upgrades to break here, b
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 02:23:03PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Michael Pobega wrote:
I'm ending the argument here, but I just want to say that I've meant
no insult to Ubuntu and to anyone else on these mailing lists. I just
stated my experience from what I've seen (In my limited time using
Ubuntu)
Michael Pobega wrote:
> I don't see how I'm biased. I personally dislike Ubuntu,
Yeah, and you can't figure out where the bias comes from?
> There's no need for you to be so hostile, I'm not being hostile.
I'm not being hostile, just getting tired of your arrogance. You claim
for all p
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 01:09:00PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Michael Pobega wrote:
> > a point). And if you don't want to believe me then don't, /I/ don't
> > care what you think, /I'm/ just trying to get /my/ point across in
> > what /I've/ seen in /my/ experience.
>
> That's find. And in m
Michael Pobega wrote:
> a point). And if you don't want to believe me then don't, /I/ don't
> care what you think, /I'm/ just trying to get /my/ point across in
> what /I've/ seen in /my/ experience.
That's find. And in my opinion and my experience you're biased and full
of crap.
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On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 06:36:01 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 09:48:13PM -0700, David E. Fox wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:11:07 -0400
> > Carl Fink wrote:
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> > > I just can't handle the absurdly-long release cycle any more.
> >
> > I'm not sure a release cycle is
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 07:29:47AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 06:34:20AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
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> > I didn't mean "seemed" in a way that I didn't know. I actually went to
> > the forums everyday, and there WAS at least three topics about
> > dist-upgrades breaking go
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 06:34:20AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> I didn't mean "seemed" in a way that I didn't know. I actually went to
> the forums everyday, and there WAS at least three topics about
> dist-upgrades breaking going from Dapper to Edgy, or Edgy to Feisty.
> Dist-upgrades to break
Florian Kulzer:
>
> My impression is that most, if not all, of the dist-upgrade problems
> posted here are related to going to testing before it is released, or
> even involve unstable and experimental.
+ a lot of the problems only occur because many people *always* use
dist-upgrade *and* they do
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 09:48:13PM -0700, David E. Fox wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:11:07 -0400
> Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I just can't handle the absurdly-long release cycle any more.
>
> I'm not sure a release cycle is strictly necessary -- theoretically,
> one can just sta
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 09:52:31AM +0100, Nik wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael
> Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:43:56PM +0100, Nik wrote:
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael
> > > Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > And it's
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 09:52:31 +0100, Nik wrote:
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> Before you make sweeping comments, please do a little research.
> Unless you havn't noticed, people also post here with problems
> dist-upgrading - does this also mean that 75% of Debia
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:43:56PM +0100, Nik wrote:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > And it's not just me. I've noticed that a lot of people get the same
> > > p
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:11:07 -0400
Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just can't handle the absurdly-long release cycle any more.
I'm not sure a release cycle is strictly necessary -- theoretically,
one can just stay on the testing track ad infinitum; at least there
is a reasonable buffer b
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If you Run Sid, you don't have to worry about that *ever*
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:45:10 +0100
Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Yes, Etch install includes security. I assumed that is because it is
> about to become stable. According to the debian-reference, testing does
> not normally get security updates, unstable does, and they filter down
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