Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-11 Thread David Wright
On Thu 11 Apr 2019 at 20:55:20 (+0200), Nazar Zhuk wrote: > On 4/10/19 10:10 PM, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 11 Apr 2019 at 00:34:04 (+0200), Nazar Zhuk wrote: > > > On 4/10/19 10:58 AM, David Wright wrote: > > > > On Sat 06 Apr 2019 at 08:42:31 (+0100), Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > > > On Fri,

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-11 Thread Nazar Zhuk
On 4/10/19 10:10 PM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 11 Apr 2019 at 00:34:04 (+0200), Nazar Zhuk wrote: On 4/10/19 10:58 AM, David Wright wrote: On Sat 06 Apr 2019 at 08:42:31 (+0100), Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 09:39:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: Given a straight toss-up

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-10 Thread David Wright
On Wed 10 Apr 2019 at 19:41:44 (-0400), Lee wrote: > On 4/10/19, Nazar Zhuk wrote: > > On 4/10/19 10:58 AM, David Wright wrote: > >> On Sat 06 Apr 2019 at 08:42:31 (+0100), Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >>> On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 09:39:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > Given a straight toss-u

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-10 Thread David Wright
On Thu 11 Apr 2019 at 00:34:04 (+0200), Nazar Zhuk wrote: > On 4/10/19 10:58 AM, David Wright wrote: > > On Sat 06 Apr 2019 at 08:42:31 (+0100), Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 09:39:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > > Given a straight toss-up though, I think synaptic h

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-10 Thread Lee
On 4/10/19, Nazar Zhuk wrote: > On 4/10/19 10:58 AM, David Wright wrote: >> On Sat 06 Apr 2019 at 08:42:31 (+0100), Jonathan Dowland wrote: >>> On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 09:39:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > Given a straight toss-up though, I think synaptic has to give way because th

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-10 Thread Nazar Zhuk
On 4/10/19 10:58 AM, David Wright wrote: On Sat 06 Apr 2019 at 08:42:31 (+0100), Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 09:39:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: Given a straight toss-up though, I think synaptic has to give way because there are plenty of alternatives. I'd never heard of

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-10 Thread David Wright
On Sat 06 Apr 2019 at 08:42:31 (+0100), Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 09:39:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > "Why not make a [Conflicts:] with Wayland / Gnome? It's not > >possible to make sure that synaptic installs on a [Conflicts:] > >that would remove Wayland?"

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-09 Thread David Wright
On Sat 06 Apr 2019 at 09:26:51 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 05 April 2019 23:06:13 David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 05 Apr 2019 at 14:21:21 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Friday 05 April 2019 11:05:00 Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > Indeed, and running the U

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-09 Thread David Wright
On Sat 06 Apr 2019 at 09:00:14 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 05 April 2019 22:39:23 David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 05 Apr 2019 at 17:01:33 (-0400), Lee wrote: > > > On 4/5/19, Reco wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 04:01:50PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Apr 04,

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-09 Thread David Wright
On Sat 06 Apr 2019 at 11:35:08 (+0100), Dominic Knight wrote: > On Sat, 2019-04-06 at 19:56 +1100, David wrote: > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 19:08, Curt wrote: > > > My impression from my general reading here is quite a few people > > > rely on > > > the synaptic package manager. I use apt-get; it's

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-08 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Apr 06, 2019 at 07:56:22PM +1100, David wrote: > I have seen this in IRC. People join there to ask questions > about Gnome for example, but no-one providing support in the > channel is actually using Gnome themselves, because they prefer more > sophisticatedenvironments, even though it's th

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-06 Thread Ric Moore
On 4/4/19 10:15 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: I frankly don't care if it needs users. To get users, it has to work. If it doesn't work at least as well as synaptic, it will never get the users. If thats not plain enough to the people making these descisions, tuff luck. This stuff gets its users by wo

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 05 April 2019 23:06:13 David Wright wrote: > On Fri 05 Apr 2019 at 14:21:21 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 05 April 2019 11:05:00 Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > Indeed, and running the UI toolkit code as root was always > > > considered a bad design pattern,

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 05 April 2019 22:39:23 David Wright wrote: > On Fri 05 Apr 2019 at 17:01:33 (-0400), Lee wrote: > > On 4/5/19, Reco wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 04:01:50PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > >> On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 12:56:49PM -, Curt wrote: > > >> > My understanding is th

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-06 Thread Curt
On 2019-04-06, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > If synaptic, as somebody else has mentioned, helps with more complicated > upgrades (where maybe lots of packages have to be removed and then (I hope) > reinstalled, I might give synaptic a try. So as far as GUI package managers go in Debian, there's

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-06 Thread Jan Claeys
On Fri, 2019-04-05 at 15:30 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 05 Apr 2019 at 21:34:15 (+0200), Jan Claeys wrote: > > Another well-known one is GParted, which doesn't really have an > > alternative for people to use instead... > > Does parted not do the same things? No, it can do some things GPa

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-06 Thread Jan Claeys
On Fri, 2019-04-05 at 17:01 -0400, Lee wrote: > That's what I don't understand. Why remove the package if it's only > a problem with some desktops? In fact, it's not even a problem on Gnome + Wayland, as you should be able to run Synaptic as root with XWayland and the “right” xhost setting (requi

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-06 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, April 06, 2019 04:56:22 AM David wrote: > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 19:08, Curt wrote: > Newbie asks "how do I do X in Gnome" ... and no-one there knows the answer > :) This might be less of an issue in other distros than it is in Debian. > > > Thing is, beyond its innate and fundamental

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-06 Thread Dominic Knight
On Sat, 2019-04-06 at 19:56 +1100, David wrote: > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 19:08, Curt wrote: > > My impression from my general reading here is quite a few people > > rely on > > the synaptic package manager. I use apt-get; it's pie-like > > simplicity > > comforts me. > > Speaking in very broad term

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-06 Thread David
On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 19:08, Curt wrote: > > My impression from my general reading here is quite a few people rely on > the synaptic package manager. I use apt-get; it's pie-like simplicity > comforts me. Speaking in very broad terms to make a general and somewhat obvious point, we could say that

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-06 Thread Joe
On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 08:07:41 - (UTC) Curt wrote: > On 2019-04-05, Lee wrote: > > > > Can't [whatever installs the software] notice that Gnome is > > installed/selected & not install synaptic? Or patch synaptic to > > realize it's running under Gnome & spit out an error message and > > quit?

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-06 Thread Curt
On 2019-04-05, Lee wrote: > > Can't [whatever installs the software] notice that Gnome is > installed/selected & not install synaptic? Or patch synaptic to > realize it's running under Gnome & spit out an error message and quit? > > Everybody pays the price because it doesn't work with Gnome seem

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 09:39:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: "Why not make a [Conflicts:] with Wayland / Gnome? It's not possible to make sure that synaptic installs on a [Conflicts:] that would remove Wayland?" This is probably the easiest option to support as it should be possible to

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread David Wright
On Fri 05 Apr 2019 at 14:21:21 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 05 April 2019 11:05:00 Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > [...] > > > Indeed, and running the UI toolkit code as root was always considered > > a bad design pattern, even whilst it works under X. > > But thats no longer possible wi

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread David Wright
On Fri 05 Apr 2019 at 17:01:33 (-0400), Lee wrote: > On 4/5/19, Reco wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 04:01:50PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 12:56:49PM -, Curt wrote: > >> > My understanding is the problem lies in the Gnome/Wayland combo (which > >> > is the d

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread mick crane
On 2019-04-05 21:13, David Wright wrote: From this and other posts of yours, you seem to feel very vulnerable when connected to anywhere outside your system, as if you're under a man-in-the-middle attack all the time. Do I come across like that ? It is probably correct. I think it is because I

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread David
On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 09:35, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > > I just found this Ubuntu announcement from January. 17.10 had picked up > wayland. But 18.04 dropped back to X.org due to stability and app > compatibility issues: > https://www.neowin.net/news/ubuntu-1804-will-revert-to-long-in-the-tooth

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Doug
On 04/05/2019 03:34 PM, Jan Claeys wrote: On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 16:22 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: How many graphical programs does Debian actually have that are intended to be run as root on a desktop? It's certainly not "half the os's utilities". I'd be surprised if there are as many as ten

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
I just found this Ubuntu announcement from January. 17.03 had picked up wayland. But 18.04 dropped back to X.org. https://www.neowin.net/news/ubuntu-1804-will-revert-to-long-in-the-tooth-xorg On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 4:01 PM Lee wrote: > On 4/5/19, Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Fri, Apr 05,

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Charlie
Received from Gene on Fri, 5 Apr 2019 13:42:57 -0400 Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster > We all tend to forget these guys like to eat and pay the rent, so > most have a $dayjob unless a student with an arm long enough to reach > Daddy's wallet. An

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
I just found this Ubuntu announcement from January. 17.10 had picked up wayland. But 18.04 dropped back to X.org due to stability and app compatibility issues: https://www.neowin.net/news/ubuntu-1804-will-revert-to-long-in-the-tooth-xorg On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 4:01 PM Lee wrote: > On 4/5/19, Reco

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Lee
On 4/5/19, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 04:01:50PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 12:56:49PM -, Curt wrote: >> > My understanding is the problem lies in the Gnome/Wayland combo (which >> > is the default combo starting with Buster). >> >> The p

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 05 April 2019 15:34:15 Jan Claeys wrote: > On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 16:22 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > How many graphical programs does Debian actually have that are > > intended to be run as root on a desktop? It's certainly not "half > > the os's utilities". I'd be surprised if there

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread David Wright
On Fri 05 Apr 2019 at 21:34:15 (+0200), Jan Claeys wrote: > On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 16:22 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > How many graphical programs does Debian actually have that are > > intended to be run as root on a desktop? It's certainly not "half > > the os's utilities". I'd be surprised if

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread David Wright
On Fri 05 Apr 2019 at 11:07:42 (+0100), mick crane wrote: > On 2019-04-05 10:51, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 08:43:32AM +0100, mick crane wrote: > > > On 2019-04-05 07:46, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > >On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 07:37:05AM +0100, mick crane wrote: > > > > > >

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Jan Claeys
On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 16:22 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > How many graphical programs does Debian actually have that are > intended to be run as root on a desktop? It's certainly not "half > the os's utilities". I'd be surprised if there are as many as ten. Another well-known one is GParted, whi

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/05/2019 01:36 PM, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 07:44:32AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I installed Buster *only* because an application I'm investigating requires the version of Python in Buster. Another option may be to use "virtualenv" or a similar trick to run jus

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 07:44:32AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > I installed Buster *only* because an application I'm investigating requires > the version of Python in Buster. Another option may be to use "virtualenv" or a similar trick to run just the upstream Python and required modules

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 05 April 2019 11:05:00 Jonathan Dowland wrote: [...] > Indeed, and running the UI toolkit code as root was always considered > a bad design pattern, even whilst it works under X. But thats no longer possible with X, root cannot use the users display. And for me, the only user on this

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 05 April 2019 09:03:40 Francisco M Neto wrote: > Greetings! > > On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 14:46 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > > To add to what Curt and Reco have said: Running Synaptic using a > > Wayland/Gnome combo,by clicking on an icon, it doesn't start. Not > > very helpful, I think you

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 04:01:50PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 12:56:49PM -, Curt wrote: > > My understanding is the problem lies in the Gnome/Wayland combo (which > > is the default combo starting with Buster). > > The problem there, IMHO, is Wayland

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Francisco M Neto
On Sat, 2019-04-06 at 00:29 +1100, David wrote: > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 00:25, Francisco M Neto wrote: > > Have a good day, gentlemen. > > Why are the good wishes to gentlemen only? Proverbial gentlemen. Ladies and other gender denominations are, naturally, all included <3 Francisco s

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 04:22:43PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: How many graphical programs does Debian actually have that are intended to be run as root on a desktop? It's certainly not "half the os's utilities". I'd be surprised if there are as many as ten. Indeed, and running the UI toolkit

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 04:15:32PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: I didn't intend to say it was simple. Its also incorrect. Fix one or the other, but I don't expect it to be "simple". You fix wayland once, or you fix half the os's utilities. The "fix" you describe for Wayland would be to remove th

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 12:56:49PM -, Curt wrote: My understanding is the problem lies in the Gnome/Wayland combo (which is the default combo starting with Buster). The problem there, IMHO, is Wayland being the default desktop choice. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jm

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread David
On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 00:25, Francisco M Neto wrote: > > Have a good day, gentlemen. Why are the good wishes to gentlemen only?

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Francisco M Neto
Greetings! On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 14:46 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > To add to what Curt and Reco have said: Running Synaptic using a > Wayland/Gnome combo,by clicking on an icon, it doesn't start. Not very > helpful, I think you'll agree. Especially for software that's aimed > squarely at GUI use

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/04/2019 07:20 AM, Curt wrote: On 2019-04-04, David wrote: People accustomed to using synaptic might want to begin considering alternative tools, because synaptic has been removed from buster. More info: https://tracker.debian.org/news/1037065/synaptic-removed-from-testing/ https://tracke

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread tomas
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 12:46:28PM +0100, mick crane wrote: > On 2019-04-05 12:37, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 12:28:18PM +0100, mick crane wrote: [...] > well su root and then enter root's password always seemed to work. Yes, of course. I was arguing with the "normal user

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread mick crane
On 2019-04-05 12:37, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 12:28:18PM +0100, mick crane wrote: [...] probably I don't understand. What I'm mooting is who knows what skillful cracker can get hold of your account credentials when online. If user can't do root stuff on strength of their

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread tomas
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 12:28:18PM +0100, mick crane wrote: [...] > probably I don't understand. What I'm mooting is who knows what > skillful cracker can get hold of your account credentials when > online. If user can't do root stuff on strength of their own > password then any malignant activit

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread mick crane
On 2019-04-05 11:27, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 11:07:42AM +0100, mick crane wrote: [...] well normal user isn't supposed to do system things. Sudo makes me nervous. You don't seem to understand sudo. It lets you control finely under which conditions a normal user is ab

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread tomas
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 11:07:42AM +0100, mick crane wrote: [...] > well normal user isn't supposed to do system things. Sudo makes me > nervous. You don't seem to understand sudo. It lets you control finely under which conditions a normal user is able to change to root. One posibility (one edi

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread mick crane
On 2019-04-05 10:51, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 08:43:32AM +0100, mick crane wrote: On 2019-04-05 07:46, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 07:37:05AM +0100, mick crane wrote: > >[...] > >>Making you be root to download stuff off the internet never seemed >>lik

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread mick crane
On 2019-04-05 10:06, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 05 April 2019 02:37:05 mick crane wrote: On 2019-04-04 20:57, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 03:46:52PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> The solution seems simple enough, fix wayland. This is after all a >> multiuser and multitask

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread tomas
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 08:43:32AM +0100, mick crane wrote: > On 2019-04-05 07:46, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 07:37:05AM +0100, mick crane wrote: > > > >[...] > > > >>Making you be root to download stuff off the internet never seemed > >>like a good idea. > > > >And letting

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 05 April 2019 02:37:05 mick crane wrote: > On 2019-04-04 20:57, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 03:46:52PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> The solution seems simple enough, fix wayland. This is after all a > >> multiuser and multitasking OS, why go out of the way, way o

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-05 Thread mick crane
On 2019-04-05 07:46, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 07:37:05AM +0100, mick crane wrote: [...] Making you be root to download stuff off the internet never seemed like a good idea. And letting "you" (not root) install things in system directories (/usr/bin et al) seems to be a

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread tomas
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 07:37:05AM +0100, mick crane wrote: [...] > Making you be root to download stuff off the internet never seemed > like a good idea. And letting "you" (not root) install things in system directories (/usr/bin et al) seems to be as bad an idea. Remember that little javascrip

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread mick crane
On 2019-04-04 20:57, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 03:46:52PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: The solution seems simple enough, fix wayland. This is after all a multiuser and multitasking OS, why go out of the way, way out of the way to make it work like win-3.0? The notion of run

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 04:15:32PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > I didn't intend to say it was simple. Its also incorrect. Fix one or the > other, but I don't expect it to be "simple". You fix wayland once, or > you fix half the os's utilities. Wayland isn't in need of a "fix", as I understand i

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 04 April 2019 15:57:17 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 03:46:52PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > The solution seems simple enough, fix wayland. This is after all a > > multiuser and multitasking OS, why go out of the way, way out of the > > way to make it work like win-

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 03:46:52PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > The solution seems simple enough, fix wayland. This is after all a > multiuser and multitasking OS, why go out of the way, way out of the way > to make it work like win-3.0? The notion of running a client as user X to talk to a dis

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 04 April 2019 13:45:52 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 06:36:32PM +0100, Joe wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 16:02:13 +0300 > > > > Reco wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 09:20:51AM -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 12:33 +0100, Brad Rog

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread tomas
On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 06:58:20PM +0300, Reco wrote: [...] > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 10:15:40AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] > > If thats not plain enough to the people making these descisions, tuff > > luck. This stuff gets its users by working, and gnome has not > > recently demonstrated

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Reco
Hi. On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 06:36:32PM +0100, Joe wrote: > On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 16:02:13 +0300 > Reco wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 09:20:51AM -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote: > > > On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 12:33 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > > > > If it is not, there is nothing preventi

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Joe
On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 16:02:13 +0300 Reco wrote: > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 09:20:51AM -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote: > > On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 12:33 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > > > If it is not, there is nothing preventing it's return to > > > repositories > > > > some time after. It happened wi

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Reco
Hi. On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 10:15:40AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 04 April 2019 09:02:13 Reco wrote: > > The *unofficial* one is the existence of "gnome-packagekit". The thing > > needs users, and this is one of the ways of getting them. > > I frankly don't care if it needs

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread David
On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 at 23:21, Curt wrote: > On 2019-04-04, David wrote: > > People accustomed to using synaptic might want to begin considering > > alternative tools, because synaptic has been removed from buster. > Owlett's gonna be pissed. On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 at 00:26, Richard Owlett wrote:

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 04 April 2019 09:02:13 Reco wrote: > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 09:20:51AM -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote: > > On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 12:33 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > > > If it is not, there is nothing preventing it's return to > > > repositories > > > > > > > some time after. It happened

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 04 Apr 2019 09:20:51 -0300 Francisco M Neto wrote: Hello Francisco, > What is the problem between Synaptic and Gnome? I've been using To add to what Curt and Reco have said: Running Synaptic using a Wayland/Gnome combo,by clicking on an icon, it doesn't start. Not very helpful,

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Reco
On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 09:20:51AM -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote: > On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 12:33 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > > If it is not, there is nothing preventing it's return to repositories > > > some time after. It happened with other useful and popular packages > > > before. > > > > Indeed

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 04 April 2019 07:33:13 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 15:58:33 +0500 > "Alexander V. Makartsev" wrote: > > Hello Alexander, > > >Considering the date, it must be an April Fool's joke. > > It's not. > > >If it is not, there is nothing preventing it's return to repositories > >

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Curt
On 2019-04-04, Francisco M Neto wrote: > > > On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 12:33 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: >> If it is not, there is nothing preventing it's return to repositories >> > some time after. It happened with other useful and popular packages >> > before. >>=20 >> Indeed. Reading the bug report

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 04 April 2019 06:52:35 David wrote: > People accustomed to using synaptic might want to begin considering > alternative tools, because synaptic has been removed from buster. > > More info: > https://tracker.debian.org/news/1037065/synaptic-removed-from-testing/ > https://tracker.debian

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Francisco M Neto
On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 12:33 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > If it is not, there is nothing preventing it's return to repositories > > some time after. It happened with other useful and popular packages > > before. > > Indeed. Reading the bug report demonstrates that ppl are keen for it to > be re-ins

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Curt
On 2019-04-04, David wrote: > People accustomed to using synaptic might want to begin considering > alternative tools, because synaptic has been removed from buster. > > More info: > https://tracker.debian.org/news/1037065/synaptic-removed-from-testing/ > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/synaptic >

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 15:58:33 +0500 "Alexander V. Makartsev" wrote: Hello Alexander, >Considering the date, it must be an April Fool's joke. It's not. >If it is not, there is nothing preventing it's return to repositories >some time after. It happened with other useful and popular packages >befo

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 04.04.2019 15:52, David wrote: > People accustomed to using synaptic might want to begin considering > alternative tools, because synaptic has been removed from buster. > > More info: > https://tracker.debian.org/news/1037065/synaptic-removed-from-testing/ > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/synapt

'synaptic' removed from buster

2019-04-04 Thread David
People accustomed to using synaptic might want to begin considering alternative tools, because synaptic has been removed from buster. More info: https://tracker.debian.org/news/1037065/synaptic-removed-from-testing/ https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/synaptic https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.